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    VIOLET POPPIES


    GF1 with Carl Zeiss Jena MC Biometar 80mm f/2.8 -- ISO 100 -- f/4 -- 1/1600

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    DAISIES


    GF1 with Carl Zeiss Jena MC Biometar 80mm f/2.8 -- ISO 100 -- f/2.8 -- 1/4000


    . . . . . bright afternoon soon . . . . . took out the recently acquired 80/2.8 for a walk to a local city P-Patch . . . . .

    Love the beautiful shots and bokeh from this lens!

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    Very nice Dan!!

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    Here is one from my Biometar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Here is one from my Biometar.

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    Lovely pictures, Michiel and Dan. Am I seeing things or does Michiel's Biotar have a different bokeh than Dan's.
    Have either of you looked to see if you have a lens that focuses past infinity, in which the bokeh, in that case looks much different.
    Vivek posted about this in this thread, and I definitely see the effect with my Pentax 50/1.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Lovely pictures, Michiel and Dan. Am I seeing things or does Michiel's Biotar have a different bokeh than Dan's.
    Have either of you looked to see if you have a lens that focuses past infinity, in which the bokeh, in that case looks much different.
    Vivek posted about this in this thread, and I definitely see the effect with my Pentax 50/1.4

    Keith
    Keith, this is the only comment I could find . . . . . .


    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    FWIW- General pointer to all.

    With all the adapted lenses on m4/3rds, it is, in principle, possible to focus them beyond infinity.

    Going past infinity to get fuzzy images has its uniqueness (smoother).

    Those who have olympus pen F lenses can mount (hold the lens firmly! it will mount but is a tad lose) them directly on m4/3rds and get past infinity.
    From Vivek posting it would appear that Michiel is experiencing the smooth bokeh. The discussion would be above my pay grade in understanding how something goes beyond infinity . . . . .

    . . . . . are we talking ('infinity' from Merriam-Webster) " a part of a geometric magnitude that lies beyond any part whose distance from a given reference position is finite <do parallel lines ever meet if they extend to infinity>?"


    So in the case that a lens does focus beyond infinity, is it a mechanical adjustment to the lens that is required? . . . . . then again would someone want to focus beyond infinity to receive the different output? There would appear to be lenses that do produce a smooth or no bokeh effect that do focus to infinity.

    From a quality point of view, I would imagine that the manufacturer of the lens would like to have lens of a particular model behave the same.

    One other thought, Michiel on the lens that I have it is labeled "MC Biometar 2.8/80 Carl Zeiss Jena DDR", is it possible that you have a different model such as a single coated lens?


    . . . . . and thank you Keith for your kind words!

    I do enjoy the output from this lens, the pictures have consistently surprised me on the quality output vs how they appear when framing in the EVF.


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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post

    From a quality point of view, I would imagine that the manufacturer of the lens would like to have lens of a particular model behave the same.

    So in the case that a lens does focus beyond infinity, is it a mechanical adjustment to the lens that is required? . . . . . then again would someone want to focus beyond infinity to receive the different output? There would appear to be lenses that do produce a smooth or no bokeh effect that do focus to infinity.

    From a quality point of view, I would imagine that the manufacturer of the lens would like to have lens of a particular model behave the same.

    One other thought, Michiel on the lens that I have it is labeled "MC Biometar 2.8/80 Carl Zeiss Jena DDR", is it possible that you have a different model such as a single coated lens?


    . . . . . and thank you Keith for your kind words!

    I do enjoy the output from this lens, the pictures have consistently surprised me on the quality output vs how they appear when framing in the EVF.


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    Yes, the manufacturer would want to see consistency. But we are using an adapter, and that throws out some of the exactness in lens to sensor distance. This can be an added advantage to the bokeh photographer as you can choose two types of bokeh.

    Perhaps Vivek could comment?

    Keith

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    Dan, as understand it, infinity in these discussions means that when you are on the infinity mark scribed on the lens you see everything in extreme distance rendered in focus.
    So if I am using a Pentax 50/1.4 that was designed for 35mm full frame format, Pentax would have calibrated the lens such that infinity on the lens meant sharpness for extreme distance.
    But now I mount this lens onto a Pano G1 which is 4/3 and not FF, the adapter may not be calibrated to the new lens/sensor distance. So you can reach infinity (as seen by the eye) before you reach the infinity mark on the lens - and beyond that point, you will see an out of focus image.


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    . . . . . I went back through some shots from yesterday and these appear to have a smooth(er) focus?

    Cally Lillies


    GF1 with Carl Zeiss Jena MC Biometar 80mm f/2.8 -- ISO 100 -- f/2.8 -- 1/3200


    and
    Daisies


    GF1 with Carl Zeiss Jena MC Biometar 80mm f/2.8 -- ISO 100 -- f/2.8 -- 1/4000


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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Dan, as understand it, infinity in these discussions means that when you are on the infinity mark scribed on the lens you see everything in extreme distance rendered in focus.
    So if I am using a Pentax 50/1.4 that was designed for 35mm full frame format, Pentax would have calibrated the lens such that infinity on the lens meant sharpness for extreme distance.
    But now I mount this lens onto a Pano G1 which is 4/3 and not FF, the adapter may not be calibrated to the new lens/sensor distance. So you can reach infinity (as seen by the eye) before you reach the infinity mark on the lens - and beyond that point, you will see an out of focus image.


    Keith
    Most of my adapters go behind infinity but just a very little bit, so I don't see much "working space" beyond infinity.
    Actually I did not really check this adapter/lens combination on this.
    BTW, Dan I have the zebra version and it doesn't say MC Biometar.
    If I remember well those are single coated.

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    LAD Project Day #40 Part II
    G1 + Minolta Rokkor 50/1.4


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    LAD Project Day #40 Part II
    G1 + Minolta Rokkor 50/1.4


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    Another beautiful shot Michiel! Love the colors and the bokeh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Most of my adapters go behind infinity but just a very little bit, so I don't see much "working space" beyond infinity.
    Actually I did not really check this adapter/lens combination on this.
    BTW, Dan I have the zebra version and it doesn't say MC Biometar.
    If I remember well those are single coated.

    Michiel
    . . . . . the jena 80/2.8 that I have is not a 'Zebra' model and perhaps that is the reason for a different rendering of bokeh!

    . . . . . note to self: pick up a Carl Zeiss Biometar (zebra model) 80/2.8 for some test shots.

    Also . . . . . make that a low priority based on availability and price!


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    Quote Originally Posted by veloman View Post


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    Wonderful shots!

    The third-photo is my favorite. Love the colors and the bokeh!

    . . . . . keep 'em coming!

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    GRASS


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton Aspherical 50mm f/1.5 -- ISO 100 -- f/1.5 -- 1/2000


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    Purple Flower with Bee


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton Aspherical 50mm f/1.5 -- ISO 100 -- f/1.5 -- 1/1600


    . . . . . breaking the rule of thirds, but I just liked the colors in the photo . . . . .

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    LAD Project Day #41 Part II
    G1 + Topcor 135/3.5

    Not a lens for much PP, the quality is just there. I like the pop out 3D effect.


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    Hi !

    Michiel, superb shot of the lilly !

    Dan, I love your "Cally Lillies"

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    Here is another Lily shot - expect a few over the next two weeks

    Elmar 135/4 on E-P2

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    E-PL1 with Canon FD 200/2.8 - a fantastic lens



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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    GRASS


    GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton Aspherical 50mm f/1.5 -- ISO 100 -- f/1.5 -- 1/2000


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    This is weed, Dan, and should me removed from the garden immediatly.
    Very nice picture!

    Beautiful series, Veloman!

    Nice latest sun capture, Keith. No other flowers then Lillys around?

    Hi Jim, good to see you again. Beautiful capture with a great lens!

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    LAD Project Day #42 Part II
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    (On the inside 2.8 and on the outside of the lens it says 2.7?)

    Just bought this lens for a good 5 on a fleamarket. Cleaned it and it works fine. It is an old Japanese lens in Exakta mount and very well made.
    This shot was at 5.6 but the lights stay round because of the 15 apertureblades. The spots are not on the glass but on the shopwindow.

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    Some really good stuff lately - colors, composition, subject, bokeh. Thanks Jim, Michiel, Dan, Arwyn and others.

    Here is an old style bokehgraph. Leica Elmar 135/4

    "Biometric Amorphism"

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    "Sunlight through Leaves"

    Leica Elmar 135/4

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    "Sunlight through Leaves"

    Leica Elmar 135/4

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    Good idea, forgot about that! Bokeh foreground

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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    Hi Keith, Michiel, Dan, Veloman, Winkel, and All,
    Congratulations on your beautiful bokehgraphs. They are really high-quality images!

    Here are a couple of contributions produced by my favorite ISCO GOTTINGEN WESTROMAT 50mm f1.9 lens:






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    Purple Flower & the Birdhouse


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    Here are a couple of contributions produced by my favorite ISCO GOTTINGEN WESTROMAT 50mm f1.9 lens:

    [/QUOTE]


    Hello good friend
    Stunning Background!


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    Hello good friend
    Stunning Background!

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    +10

    Have to get that lens out and in action soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Hello good friend
    Stunning Background!
    Michiel

    +10

    Have to get that lens out and in action soon
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    Hi Good Friends Michiel and Keith,
    Many thanks for your kind comments. I wish to add a few more bokehgraphs produced with the same setup. Best regards, Leica 77.




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    LAD Project Day #43 Part II
    G1 + Schacht Travenar 135/3.5

    Another old german 135mm in exakta mount with a nice old fashioned blue sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    LAD Project Day #43 Part II
    G1 + Schacht Travenar 135/3.5
    Another old german 135mm in exakta mount with a nice old fashioned blue sky.
    - ? -
    Hi Michiel,
    Great sharpness plus beautiful bokeh! Your LAD Project is a wonderful contribution to this thread in this Forum. Best, Leica 77.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    Hi Michiel,
    Great sharpness plus beautiful bokeh! Your LAD Project is a wonderful contribution to this thread in this Forum. Best, Leica 77.

    +++1! Great shots Michiel!

    . . . . . could this be 30 days with 30 different 135mm lenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    Hi Good Friends Michiel and Keith,
    Many thanks for your kind comments. I wish to add a few more bokehgraphs produced with the same setup. Best regards, Leica 77.




    WOW! Great Colors, Great Light, Great Bokeh!

    . . . . . after seeing these bokehgraphs I had to do a search for a ISCO GOTTINGEN WESTROMAT 50mm f1.9 lens . . . . . there were a couple of available on ebay but the 'buy me now price' was a little bit high for what I can spend at the moment . . . . . Someday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    This is weed, Dan, and should me removed from the garden immediatly.

    Very nice picture!

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    It may be a weed, but for this city boy its all grass to me!

    . . . . . I start pulling things out of other folks garden and there is a good chance I will end up being hit with a rake or being hosed down by a angry owner who has invested a lot of time in growing those weeds!

    And thank you for your kind words . . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    "Sunlight through Leaves"

    Leica Elmar 135/4

    Keith


    Keith, love your light/leaves shots!

    The second one is my favorite since the tree is in focus with the foreground bokeh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    LAD Project Day #42 Part II
    G1 + Sankor 135/2.8
    (On the inside 2.8 and on the outside of the lens it says 2.7?)

    Just bought this lens for a good € 5 on a fleamarket. Cleaned it and it works fine. It is an old Japanese lens in Exakta mount and very well made.
    This shot was at 5.6 but the lights stay round because of the 15 apertureblades. The spots are not on the glass but on the shopwindow.

    - Shopwindow rose -


    Great Shots Michiel!

    The Shopwindow Rose is my favorite! Love the detail and the circular bokeh in the background!

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    Yellow Lillies


    Ernst Leitz Wetzlar - Hektor 13.5cm f/4.5 with Thread Extension Tube -- ISO 100 -- f/4.5 -- 1/320

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    ROSES


    Ernst Leitz Wetzlar - Hektor 13.5cm f/4.5 with Thread Extension Tube -- ISO 100 -- f/4.5 -- 1/200

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    Pink Roses


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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    WOW! Great Colors, Great Light, Great Bokeh!
    . . . . . after seeing these bokehgraphs I had to do a search for a ISCO GOTTINGEN WESTROMAT 50mm f1.9 lens . . . . . there were a couple of available on ebay but the 'buy me now price' was a little bit high for what I can spend at the moment . . . . . Someday!
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    Dan, thanks so much for your kind words. Your flower bokehgraphs are outstanding! Here is another contribution using the ISCO GOTTINGEN WESTROMAT 50mm glass.


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    This is starting to look like a bouquet thread instead of a bokeh thread
    Beautiful and colourful they are, Dan and Leica77, and from so close by.

    Couldn't wait to contribute since I was so lucky today to buy 4 great lenses for € 45,-- from someone who didn't have a clue.
    This way this project never ends.

    Here is the first, running a day ahead in my project.
    This lens focusses almost 3cmm from subject.
    The second flower is not larger then 2 cm.

    LAD Project Day #44 Part II
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    Beautiful shots Michiel! This thread is very "seasonal" isn't it.

    I recently scored my Canon FD 200/2.8 plus three other FD S.C.C. lenses & accessories the same way... the seller was certain they couldn't be used on a digital camera All for $100 CAN. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winkel View Post
    Beautiful shots Michiel! This thread is very "seasonal" isn't it.

    I recently scored my Canon FD 200/2.8 plus three other FD S.C.C. lenses & accessories the same way... the seller was certain they couldn't be used on a digital camera All for $100 CAN. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen very often.

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    Thanks Jim.
    That is really cheap. My FD 200/2.8 alone was already more expensive. What are the others?

    I got this outstanding Flektogon 35/2, a Porst 100/2.8, a Revuenon 55/1.4 and a Steinheil Cassarit 135/4.5. Strange collection but very nice.

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    Leica, another beautiful bokegraph with the ISCO GOTTINGEN WESTROMAT 50mm f/1.9 lens! Love the colors and the soft bokeh! OUTSTANDING!


    Michiel, congratulations on scoring the four lenses! . . . . . with another 135mm, oh my!

    Lovely shots taken with the Zeiss Flektogon 35/2.8! The lens produces wonderful color and soft circular bokeh! Very Nice!


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    . . . . . could this be 30 days with 30 different 135mm lenses?
    Yeah, Michiel needs to rename his project "F135LAD"

    Michiel, at my place, your pics are loading only half, or even less.
    Any idea why ? Does anybody else have this ?

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    Michiel, at my place, your pics are loading only half, or even less.
    Any idea why ? Does anybody else have this ?
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    Hi Rafael,

    The last one was a 35 mm

    I don't do anything else then I used to with design, size and uploading.
    Are they to big? In height or width? The size now is 1167 x 884 for the landscape versions. When did this start?
    May be I have to change some settings.

    Thanks for the observation.

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    Hi Michiel,

    OK, then you can rename your project "F(1)35LAD"
    Right now, the first pic of your took more than 2 minutes to complete, while the second of the same post was there almost instantaneously.

    I see you host your pics on your own server. Could you have problems with server capacity or speed ?

    Very nice pics, BTW !!

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    Hi Michiel,

    OK, then you can rename your project "F(1)35LAD"
    Right now, the first pic of your took more than 2 minutes to complete, while the second of the same post was there almost instantaneously.

    I see you host your pics on your own server. Could you have problems with server capacity or speed ?

    Very nice pics, BTW !!

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    Rafael, I think it is a temporarely server problem. I still have lots of room on my server and the first pic isn't any bigger in kb's then the second.

    Thanks for the compliment. It is not only me, this lens really helps

    Michiel

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