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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    "Coming Home"

    This was our home for two weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kweide View Post
    We should publish a book....
    Getdpi´s bokehgraphers work....
    Kweide, I've been thinking about that. If anyone has ideas please PM me.

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    "Coming Home"

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    I was wondering about your cruiseship and waiting for this one. Ships can be great subjects. Beautifull shot!

    A book is a great idea.
    I'll will think about it and send you a mail.
    In the meantime this thread can evaluate further.
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    Still had a boat in the files. A Policeboat in an Amsterdam canal.

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    An old snap. Mostly fuzz, please excuse the tiny sharp subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    An old snap. Mostly fuzz, please excuse the tiny sharp subject.

    Vivek - this one passes the 75/25 rule - looks like 99/1. Talented panning and a very good auto focus??
    Or did you manage to get a radio transmittor on that fly?? :sleep006:
    Or did you set the camera up on a tripod and shoot off a thousand image??
    Or did you . . . . . . . ??

    Fuzz is a very loose term for what us bokehgraphers would like to call
    "bokeh" We are very demographic on this thread, and we could hold a referendum to change the name to Fuzzygraphs, or something similar. Ideas anyone?

    Keith

    PS (Fuzzygraph doesn't really sound intellectual. . . . . does it??) But I'm just an old fart, and maybe we need the input of the youngsters like Michiel or Leica)

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    Pan and AF?

    BTW, Keith, love and hate are the same in my books. What counts is passion and not decorative words.

    The lens was a custom made 12.5mm f/1.4 manual focus one (not the computars or cosmicars). Focus was fixed. f/5.6, 1/2500s, ISO400.

    Image has little to do with G1 or the lens.

    The shots I have made with a Nikon D300 and a 20/3.5 AiS Nikkor, earlier, turned out much better when printed.

    See, for example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vivek-i...7604851825331/

    The G1 snap has a bit too much of a shadow noise, in comparison.

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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    A book is a great idea.
    I'll will think about it and send you a mail.
    In the meantime this thread can evaluate further.
    Michiel
    I have been approached by a silent and secret belgian admirer of our bokehgraphics.
    He wants to do an exhibition on this topic, combined with an exhib of paintings from a friend of mine.

    Wouldn't it be nice, to have the book available at the exhib, that should take place in spring 2010 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f6cvalkyrie View Post
    I have been approached by a silent and secret belgian admirer of our bokehgraphics.
    He wants to do an exhibition on this topic, combined with an exhib of paintings from a friend of mine.

    Wouldn't it be nice, to have the book available at the exhib, that should take place in spring 2010 ?

    C U
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    Yes it would, Raf. We are turning out enough quality photos to do a book. The cost is reasonable, and we are beginning to recognize that we have a few categories of pictures - I want to post something on that soon.
    How do we do this? - through private messages, or through another thread. Guy or Jack, maybe you could help here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Pan and AF?

    BTW, Keith, love and hate are the same in my books. What counts is passion and not decorative words.

    The lens was a custom made 12.5mm f/1.4 manual focus one (not the computars or cosmicars). Focus was fixed. f/5.6, 1/2500s, ISO400.

    Image has little to do with G1 or the lens.

    The shots I have made with a Nikon D300 and a 20/3.5 AiS Nikkor, earlier, turned out much better when printed.

    See, for example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/vivek-i...7604851825331/

    The G1 snap has a bit too much of a shadow noise, in comparison.
    Vivek:

    I was astounded by some of those images (fly in the bokeh), could you post a few here for all to see (doesn't matter about platform, it's the thought that counts - right, moderators??)

    In the true spirit of this thread you have some beautiful bokehgraphs that need to be shown.

    Keith

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    Personally, I am averse to that idea (ie. AFA my images are concerned).

    IMHO, if this is done through this site, it may or may not help this site.

    Look at some examples (sites) out there that have this sort of schemes.

    One ridiculous site publishes books/calendars and such (selected by a few who run that operation) and every contributing member is obliged (or spammed) into buying a copy.

    That said, I am sure Jack and Guy have a vision and purpose for this site and they would answer that question.

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    Woodmacy and Michiel I like your ships and Vivek that hoverfly is amazing. Wondeful position with the man in behind.

    I like the idea of a book if, (like I think/thought Vivek says,) as long as it is not used in a commercialized way against ourselves.

    Another Bokina ATx to share with you...


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    Let me clarify my position:

    If any photographer is going sell his/her work, I will support that and wish they would get the most cash they can.

    OTOH, it is my belief that the book schemes that I am aware of would return pretty much nothing to the photographer.

    I am also of the opinion that photography is an individual achievement (regardless of the goals).

    I wish each and every single photographer the very best in their own endeavors.

    On a forum like this, if there is free exchange of ideas and thoughts (words or images), it works well.

    No more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Let me clarify my position:

    If any photographer is going sell his/her work, I will support that and wish they would get the most cash they can.

    OTOH, it is my belief that the book schemes that I am aware of would return pretty much nothing to the photographer.

    I am also of the opinion that photography is an individual achievement (regardless of the goals).

    I wish each and every single photographer the very best in their own endeavors.

    On a forum like this, if there is free exchange of ideas and thoughts (words or images), it works well.

    No more.

    Yes, Vivek, I would also like to clarify my position. Why are you obsessed with cash? - in all of the discussions of a book in this thread, you are the first to raise that frightful word.

    I am what most people would call a successful business man. I have created one company that was sold in 2002 for enough cash to keep me going for another 100 years. I have another software company that I am still running that could get more cash than that. Cash is not on the top of my mind.

    A little project like a book on fuzzygraphs means nothing to me as far as cash is concerned. It needs a lot of work - but the cash side of this project is meaningless to me. I am only interested in the excitement that a few people have expressed in this art, and doing a book about it. Even though I may have to expense it, the book will keep everyone excited.

    But you certainly have a way of pissing people off, and now you have got to me. It was only a matter of time.

    Enough said.

    Keith

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    I still like the idea of a book. Made by GETDPI Members for GETDPI Members. Like the publication of FOTOCOMMUNITY, Why not ??? Without any financial interests. I think it will NOT even earn that much money to get rich, but perhaps some amount which can be invested into this forum ??? To pay its costs, to support Hardware upgrades, pay DSL linecosts etc. Dont know. Or just to finance a free lifetime membership ???

    Keith, i am with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kweide View Post
    I still like the idea of a book. Made by GETDPI Members for GETDPI Members. Like the publication of FOTOCOMMUNITY, Why not ??? Without any financial interests. I think it will NOT even earn that much money to get rich, but perhaps some amount which can be invested into this forum ??? To pay its costs, to support Hardware upgrades, pay DSL linecosts etc. Dont know. Or just to finance a free lifetime membership ???

    Keith, i am with you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    Thank God for reason: "I need a little help from my friends"

    We in Canada have a Prime Minister who can sing. Check this out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt2Qp0H9G8
    Hi Keith,
    Your PM Stephen Harper can really sing! I am aware that he will be hosting a G20 Summit in Canada, in addition to hosting a G8 Summit in June, 2010! You are my friend, Keith! All the best!

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    Well things start to clarify a little around the idea of a book.
    I am very positive about this idea born out of enthousasm and inspiration on
    this theme.

    Vivek's arguments are his, so I understand he not in for this idea. So be it.
    There are thousands of photobooks consisting of work of different photographers, without photographers losing their individuality.

    There is another thing one must not forget that unsharp photographs are a sin for most professional photographers. The other day a photographer was hilarously telling me he was on an exhibition with unsharp photographs.
    A sharp photograph is highest on the list of his capabilitys, otherwise they are fuzzy.

    My first thoughts were, how to finance this. Making a book does cost money.
    The making and design is not a problem for me.
    Since the - Mostly out of focus - idea is born on the Getdpi forum by Keith, it is clear that it would be nice if the moderators would get involved.

    The idea of Raphael for an exhibition in Brussel is very nice although I don't know if it should be in collaboration of a painter. May be if there is a very clear link to the theme.

    I think I can arrange an exhibition in an artspace in Amsterdam, wherin I have been involved setting it up for a few years.


    Greetings, Michiel

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    Oh I forgot to post an Outoffocusgraph!

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    I was going to do a Blurb book on this stuff - so I would be glad to have everyone along.

    So, I will pay the intitial publishing charges. Because I am busy writing another book, I probably would need someone to assemble it. These are early days, maybe we need to to move this off this site - but I am open to ideas. Guy, Jack . . . . . ?

    Keith

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    G1 + Leica R Summicron 50mm. "Vibes".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post
    Well things start to clarify a little around the idea of a book.

    There is another thing one must not forget that unsharp photographs are a sin for most professional photographers. The other day a photographer was hilarously telling me he was on an exhibition with unsharp photographs.
    A sharp photograph is highest on the list of his capabilitys, otherwise they are fuzzy.

    Greetings, Michiel
    Hi My Friend Michiel,

    I am afraid that the following image "Elizabeth" is probably one of these unsharp photographs! Best regards!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    Hi My Friend Michiel,

    I am afraid that the following image "Elizabeth" is probably one of these unsharp photographs! Best regards!

    OOF is very good - lovely, lovely, lovely.

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    OOF is very good - lovely, lovely, lovely.

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    Many thanks for your kind comments! Your leadership is stellar in this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michiel Schierbeek View Post

    The idea of Raphael for an exhibition in Brussel is very nice although I don't know if it should be in collaboration of a painter. May be if there is a very clear link to the theme.
    Well, there could be a clear link of themes, if we all start making bokehgraphs of maritime themes ...
    Keith & Michiel already showed us the way

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    "Stromboli"

    G1 with Oly 9-18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    G1 + Leica R Summicron 50mm. "Vibes".

    Leica:

    This one is intriguing, why did you call it "vibes"?

    It reminds me of those high speed camera photos where a bullet pierces an apple - my first thought is to call it "shot" or "projectile" or something . . .

    As Ranger pointed out, I think naming is essential to this art, and he has certainly got me doing it.
    But the name need have no relationship to the original subject that gave the image. For instance, I did one a few weeks ago in the UK that I called "Mist over the Lake" (I think) - but the subject was the footpath outside of my hotel window. Thats whats good about bokehgraphs, you can run wild with the imagery, if you are doing these pure abstracts.

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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Personally, I am averse to that idea (ie. AFA my images are concerned).

    IMHO, if this is done through this site, it may or may not help this site.

    Look at some examples (sites) out there that have this sort of schemes.

    One ridiculous site publishes books/calendars and such (selected by a few who run that operation) and every contributing member is obliged (or spammed) into buying a copy.

    That said, I am sure Jack and Guy have a vision and purpose for this site and they would answer that question.
    Having coordinated a major exhibition, printed book and e-book on behalf of the Olympus Photo Safari Group - I would be the first to applaud anyone generous enough to undertake such a worthy project!

    And just to agree with Vivek's comment above - we never obliged anyone to buy anything on our project - the book sits on blurb, take it or leave it

    p.s. fabulous bee shots Vivek, you really can't see the wires!

    Cheers

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    Another thought, Leica, of course, I could not call "Stromboli", above, "garden footpath" because the image, although OOF is recognizable

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    I am what most people would call a successful business man. I have created one company that was sold in 2002 for enough cash to keep me going for another 100 years. I have another software company that I am still running that could get more cash than that. Cash is not on the top of my mind.
    Keith, I have the perfect solution... send Vivek half and you can both forget about money for the next 50 years, plus we can get on with this book project!

    Just kidding, money is only ever a problem / obsession when you don't have enough

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Just kidding, money is only ever a problem / obsession when you don't have enough
    Quite. Just what I read into the corresponding "messages" on the subject.
    I agree with what Woody Allen was quoted as saying:
    I'd rather be rich than poor, even if only for economical reasons.

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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    Wow! Things take shape with ears and noses on their own.

    I said, I should be left out of this book scheme (whatever reasons I have are my own and I do not need to articulate it) and when Jerry MK mentioned about "commercialization", I clarified my position- meaning that I am not opposed to commerce or "free market" (for lack of a better term).

    Word contributions from me and snaps (just as many others) makes this site rich.

    Next time someone starts a thread with a new phrase of an age old theme (e.g. fuzz), please specify that any images in that thread would go into a book.

    As for my richness or poorness, that is a personal matter. All I can say is that I am comfortable with what I have.

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    Just to inform you:

    I am leaving !
    Heading south, arriving Italy tomorrow mornig. Will have a nice week in Florence and all that nice stuff around... See you later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kweide View Post
    Just to inform you:

    I am leaving !
    Heading south, arriving Italy tomorrow mornig. Will have a nice week in Florence and all that nice stuff around... See you later.
    Kweide:
    I hope you stay on line - - - I envy you, we've not been to Florence yet, and we need to correct that. I'm going to post a few ideas on how we could do a book - soon.
    Moderators - we need your opinion on how we go about this. We appreciate the forum, and without it this would not happen.

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    "What's going on inside?" - inspired by Kweide

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    [QUOTE=Vivek;143274]
    Next time someone starts a thread with a new phrase of an age old theme (e.g. fuzz), please specify that any images in that thread would go into a book.
    QUOTE]

    Four put downs in one sentence! You are a master of misintrepetation.
    Someone ?
    New phrase of an age old theme?
    Fuzz?
    You know as well as everyone that the idea for a book just popped up a few posts before by Klaus. No one is trying to trap you into a book from the beginning.
    The force to know all things better can get in your way and as so often on fora can make things start to turn sour (again).
    As you state you are a free and happy person, so live up to it and do not put down peoples ideas or fuzzy things up.
    Have a nice day
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    Leica:

    This one is intriguing, why did you call it "vibes"?

    It reminds me of those high speed camera photos where a bullet pierces an apple - my first thought is to call it "shot" or "projectile" or something . . .

    As Ranger pointed out, I think naming is essential to this art, and he has certainly got me doing it.
    But the name need have no relationship to the original subject that gave the image. For instance, I did one a few weeks ago in the UK that I called "Mist over the Lake" (I think) - but the subject was the footpath outside of my hotel window. Thats whats good about bokehgraphs, you can run wild with the imagery, if you are doing these pure abstracts.

    Keith
    Hi My Friend Keith,

    We are on the same page. I thought of flying objects such as UFOs, etc. Vibes seemed a bit more metaphysical and appropriate for the image at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    "What's going on inside?" - inspired by Kweide

    Keith

    Beautiful colors! Outstanding bokehgraph!

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    Woodmancy and Leica77 I like you "abstract" bokehgraphs. Great colors. I had a bad habit deleting my fuzzy images. But now I have discovered the beauty hidden inside them from now they will survive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryMK View Post
    Woodmancy and Leica77 I like you "abstract" bokehgraphs. Great colors. I had a bad habit deleting my fuzzy images. But now I have discovered the beauty hidden inside them from now they will survive...

    G1 Canon 100mm f4 Macro
    Hi My Friend Jerry,
    Simply stunning!

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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    [QUOTE=Michiel Schierbeek;143314]
    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Next time someone starts a thread with a new phrase of an age old theme (e.g. fuzz), please specify that any images in that thread would go into a book.
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    Four put downs in one sentence! You are a master of misintrepetation.
    Someone ?
    New phrase of an age old theme?
    Fuzz?
    You know as well as everyone that the idea for a book just popped up a few posts before by Klaus. No one is trying to trap you into a book from the beginning.
    The force to know all things better can get in your way and as so often on fora can make things start to turn sour (again).
    As you state you are a free and happy person, so live up to it and do not put down peoples ideas or fuzzy things up.
    Have a nice day
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    Go back to the beginning of this thread and you would see a consistency in my wording. Or even in the Leica forum thread (what does Bokeh means to you).

    Just because a few talk up each others' and start waxing lyrics on things, does not change what I said about OOF and how I would use it and for what purposes. It is a technical aspect and I have my opinions and reasons for it. Not a matter of put down.

    If Klaus brought up the idea of a book and Keith is publishing a book there is no need for Keith to come to another thread to suggest to me that a particular image would have fitted in here (http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showth...116#post143116 reply #374).

    Yes, OOF, Bokeh, fuzz whatever you call it, it is an age old theme.

    I myself (being relatively active for only a few years in photography compared many others) have been using fast lenses for many years now. Long before m4/3rds or this site.

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    This is called "Georgia on my Mind"

    G1 with Pentax 50/1.4

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    This one is called:

    "Bye bye, Miss American Pie"



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    Quote Originally Posted by Leica 77 View Post
    Hi Keith, Vivek, Jerry, Michiel, and thearne3,
    Beautiful bokehgraphs, everyone!

    G1 + Leica R Summicron 50mm. "Red Harley".

    Leica - lovely - well done! Captures the spirit.

    Keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmancy View Post
    This is called "Georgia on my Mind"

    G1 with Pentax 50/1.4

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    Hi Keith,

    I love the bokeh and beautiful colors! Excellent!

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    This one is called:

    "Three thousand, three hundred and thirty steps to heaven"

    After the late and great Eddie Cochran

    Keith



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    "Greek Islands"

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    "Bed"

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    A word close to my heart:

    "Dotty"

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    Re: Photographing your Bokeh

    If you look at the images presented since the start of this thread, they seem to break down into a few distinct catergories. Here is my first stab at what those groupings may be:

    We go all the way from realism (but out of focus) to abstract (you don't have any clue as to the original subject. The common demoninator is that most of the image is technically out of focus. Here are some ideas on how we could categorize:

    1.
    I call this "Subdued" realism. It is softened, toned down, and made gentle. Leicas image of Elizabeth is a good example of this. I would include Raf's wonderful pictures taken with the older c lenses (circular bokeh)
    2.
    Distinct images of the subject, but you have to think to find it. Examples of this would be Michiel's scooter images. This one is called "Evocative" realism.
    3.
    Images that show a representation of the subject, but it is very difficult to figure out what the subject may be. An example would be my image of a Balaclava gate - we would call this "Imaginary" realism.
    4.
    Here we go totally abstract - the viewer does no know what the subject was. He or she just relies on the artist/photographer to convey something from the title of his or her images. Lots of examples of these, but a good one is where I imaged a garden path and called it a lake. This would be "Interpretive" realism.

    Comments welcome on this.

    Keith

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