Looking good (in my eyes, tastes differ), Brian.
Just a piece of clear sky at the end of the day.
I like Sean Reid's essay on "Street Photography." Clears up a few things in my head as to what it really is.
GW may not have always kept the horizon level but a very close read of his images will reveal that something in there is square to the frame...maybe just one side but it's there....a window, door, curb, suitcase...something...he played with reference points....that is a cool thing to study....
remember, he worked mostly in NY and back then I think there was 2 places that you could actually see the horizon....
now I believe it's 2.....
Glad that at least you and I agree.
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Some read what they want to read. I was suggesting two things. One about post processing the other about leveling.
There are plenty of reference points in Brian's capture for that (just like the 2012 shot).
Either the paid "review" site got it wrong or it was grossly misread and misinterpreted.
Don/Keith/Vivek, thank you for your views and gentlemanly discussion
I do actually think the wonky horizon helps to add some dynamism/immediacy to this shot... but the processing in the first rendition was definitely a little coarse and rushed.
I'll read Sean's article on street shooting carefully - I must have missed it (and since I'm paying for it, it would be silly not to! )
I am constantly learning from your wonderful photography - thanks for making this place special!
I was just recommending Sean's essay, because I was always intrigued about what street photography encompasses. For instance, a large proportion of Winogrand's images were not taken in the street.
If I take pictures of animals at the zoo - is it street photography? If I take pictures of two people and a car in the middle of the desert, is it street photography? If I take a picture of 12 people on the Staten Island ferry when it has sailed away from the street, is it street photography? If I take a picture of a building in a street without people in it, is it street photography?
I think that in a thread on street photography people should have a chance to discuss these things.
Sean's article goes a long way in putting some sense into the definition.
For those who are subscribers of Sean's site, I think I came across his essay in his review of the GF-1. Well worth a read, because he references art works that could be called "Street painting"
Once again, Sorry Vivek
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Unleveled horizon is fine as well as invoking Winogrand in a discussion. As Don pointed out, Winogrand did use reference points and despite not using a camera with grid lines was able to frame a picture level. So, there is a little confusion.
Sometimes thoughts get mixed while typing. So, that is also OK.
I do not see any problems at all.
Keith, (anyone else that wants also)
First and foremost.
Art Is The Man. So it's not really important about location of where an image is made.
It's about an internal aesthetic, a view so to speak that a photographer captures in his work. So Winogrand's work is about him as your work is about you.
The term street work is more about being outside ones living elements.
When one exits the house etc, one is on the street. No matter where that may be.
I guess around the early 60's, the street gained popularity for shooters.
It existed before for sure but the new generation discovered the energy.
One again there is a strong new energy and it is the responsibility of us to continue to discover and try to capture this energy.
By doing so, we also have the right and responsibility to take the vision to a new place and or direction.
So if you made images in a Zoo, if you call it street work,
I will to.
By the way, Winogrand didn't feel that his animals/zoo images were street.
He was careful and did books on this subject alone.
It's funny tho, I always felt he saw the world and it's inhabitants as a ZOO.
No one predates Kertesz on really capturing the street.
He didn't think Street, he thought Life.
Th Dog, the Cat, the Mouse, and Greg
This was shot yesterday.
Hi, am joining in the fun. I like street photography but not good at it and less opportunity to do this in Singapore. I took these in London ---
Vivek: Another great character!
Rick: Now if the mouse just had a pet flea on it?
Rickseet: Nice photos. I especially like the underpass one. I can't remember exactly what the English call them?
Here's one of mine from today with the GF1 and the 20mm f/1.7. Cheers.
Rick, Saw that elsewhere as well. Good catch.
Ric, Welcome. I would think the food stalls (I forget the name) in Singapore offer plenty of possibilities.
Don, Have you looked at any moving subjects shot with the 20/1.7 vs the 17/2.8? It is quite frustrating for me. I switched back to the 25/1.3 Computar-TV, so that I do not miss my shots.
I try not to set myself up for disappointments. I'm working with the 20 until I can see with it naturally.
The 17 most definitely focuses faster. The 20mm is very nice as is the 17mm.
I'm not really having any major issues with the 20 or in fact anything with the Pen. I do notice the G1 is faster focusing with everything.
I like the camera even tho I resist using it. It's to good to sell off but I can see where low light with the 20 will be the combination.
As far as movement goes, in low light, one has to wait for the moment with the Pen.
It works and I am just getting used to it so I will not pass judge-ment until I start to fall in love...
It won't be long tho as I can't take it off the Pen ...it's kinda stuck on there....
Coming over from the Bokeh thread, I am now giving most of my stuff titles
This is called "Looks"
G1 with Oly 9-18
Hi Driscoli, I like the one of the Underpass as well. I lived in London for 9 years and for the life I cannot recall what they call this - tunnel?
I have been taking the 20mm for a few spins and I am beginning to like this lens a lot. Great fun as well. I know that I am in trouble becos I now find that my 14-150mm is too heavy for the GH1. I would hate to swap this out with the 14-140mm.
Thanks for your recommendation becos I am beginning to like the GH1 now. I am am still unhappy about taking pics of RED flowers. Hopefully I can link this soon.
Like that post of yours - especially the way the bike is park!!.
Vivek, thanks for the warm welcome.
Is it Newton Hawker Center you are ref too?
I was in Cambodia last week and brought the 20mm along and shot some nice pics at their wet market. Yes I am beginning to see possibility. But I first have to dress up like a tourist so that I can do Street photography in Singapore.
Wish me luck.
cheers and thanks again.
I think it is everywhere in that tiny city/country.
Anyway back to the street.
I like that one of Trafalgar Square Michael. I took this night shot a while back. Posted elsewhere before I think.
G1 + Kitlens
When something goes on in public, in broad daylight, there is a need to get close to the action.
Oh, my! Seems we're living in an exhibitionistic, voyeuristic world.
Thanks for looking. Cheers.
G1; 25mm f/1.4; 1/800s @ f/1.4: ISO 100
Nice light and good composition, Matt.