A few more Voigtländer 25mm samples:
DPR forum poster efix has written shortly about the Voigtländer 25/0.95 in his blog,
There is one image taken with the lens close to the bottom of the page (search for "what a piece of glass")
The same lady in the image above has been depicted by DPR forum poster viztyger (Björn) as well. Again a blog, here.
Björn also provides a GF1 image in raw format. There one can admire all kind of aberrations.
Then we also have a link provided by the rumor site to where Flickr user Itemsis emailed a message containing this link
to three more CV 25/0.95 images.
That's not much but at least something. If you know of more samples please let us know.
I thought that this lens was supposed to be released, in Japan, by late October...or am I remembering that wrong. Have been watching for samples at DC Watch Impress for a long time now, but to no avail. It would be great to hear any new insight about this lens!
Found some here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2303403...th/5139795748/
The shipping date in US will possibly occur on or about November 8th. I am looking forward to receiving the lens.
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Last edited by seakayaker; 5th November 2010 at 10:50.
I got my lens on Tuesday. I have been having fun - I can now see something in the LCD on my E-P1 in low light - but still getting use to the shallow depth of field when shooting with the lens opened up.
Here is one from this morning...
Hen's night out by peterb666, on Flickr
Sculptures by the Sea at Tamarma Beach (Sydney, Australia).
This shot was taken before sunrise on a heavily overcast morning. It is a joy to have such a fast f/0.95 aperture on the Olympus E-P1. I can now see stuff in the LCD in the wee hours of the morning which is my favourite shooting time. I can also focus the lens without trial and error.
The exposure settings for this shot are f/2.0 for 4 seconds at ISO200. There was a fair bit of wind and some rain.
I find it amazing that I got such a distinct star pattern from the 10 leaf aperture at just f/2.0.
At DPR Mike Kobal recently posted a link to a short movie he made the day he got his copy (his post is here).
I like some things I see from the 25/0.95 but not everything. I'm still on the fence (up-thread I was sure I would buy it ASAP but now I'm not sure). But that stop of extra speed over the Panasonic 25/1.4 is still enticing. I'm sure you and other owners soon will have posted enough of nice images to make me regret having canceled my pre-order...
Last edited by Amin; 6th November 2010 at 05:22.
Thank you for the list Amin, it's appreciated and I'm looking around at everything.
The coming weeks we'll probably see a flood of Nokton images.
I ordered this lens today from the Photo Village. They had more in stock in case anyone is interested: http://photovillage.com/home.php
Here are a few samples I found by Dolmang on Flickr, posted here with permission by way of Creative Commons license.
Click on an image to view at original resolution:
. . . . . received email this evening from USPS Shipping Services that they have been notified of a shipment!
Looking forward to having this lens attached to my GF1 in just a few more days!
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I have been shooting this lens for few days now.
- its sharp at the center areas. comatic aberration appears around the edges.
- its performance wide open, central sharpness is better than the older nikon 50mm f1.2 or olympus 55mm f1.2.
- off bokeh is pretty good with only slightly bright edges around blurred highlights.
- its a large lens as compared to similar c-mount lenses. thats the price to pay i guess.
- the corner performance is way better. corner light falloff is evident, but way better than c mount equivalents.
- shaprness in the corners and comatic aberration improves by f.14.
- its better at f1.4 than any 25mm f1.4 c mount lens.
- pictures wide open has the crispness, of a modern aspherical lens.
- overall i think its worth every penny.
Work/family has been too busy for me to use my Nokton much, but I stepped outside for a few minutes today to give it a try on a GF1. This was wide open, and the bushes/trees behind my wife will harm the bokeh reputation of just about any lens you point at them:
I am impressed with the sharpness of this lens at f/0.95. Have a look at the fabric of my wife's scarf/shirt in the full-res version.
Wow, thanks Amin!
Could you also put one sample - in vertical orientation, with whole person in the frame?
Is there any reason (like aberration) - that picture is B&W?
Or you just preferred us to focus on sharpness only?
Thanks, Jerry. Nothing to do with aberrations - I just liked the B&W better. Here is the color:
Full res: http://www.flickr.com/photos/asabet/...n/photostream/
I'll post a vertical full body portrait as soon as I can get a chance.
Will do, Jonas. Thanks, Amin
I wouldn't be surprised if not. But in fact nothing wrong if wouldn't. Steve Huff tested and compared Nokton 1.1 and if I remember correctly - also found that speed of the lens expressed as f number not necessarily corresponds to exposure at its extreme. But eventual difference is so small...
But anyway, worth checking.
PS: in one of tests he even wrote: "The 50 1.1 Nokton has the look of a 1.4 lens"
Here is something I wonder about: Does anybody find this lens one step forward two steps back? I mean if we are getting m43 bodies to reduce size of gear why are we then putting humongous lens on it? Wouldn't we be better off with say D3s and 50/1.4G?
I just want to thank you all!!!!!!! I just ordered one from Photovillage. Great looking Bokeh on the images downloaded by Amin.
Yikes, and its not even holiday time yet!!!!!!
Apparently, they are getting a fair number of inquiries, and maybe some sales other than me.
it all depends for whom, what system person has already, what carries in a bag, etc... Form one side - yes, better.
But using dSLR with AF and using this lens with MF are often two different experiences.
MF forces you to double think of framing, composition, etc.
Maybe not everybody, but at least me, and many Leica M users.
Then closest alternative is cheaper 20/1.7 pancake.
Also very good lens, very sharp too.
Existing 25/1.4 (43 format) is not a pancake, rumoured u43 25/1.4 - won't be probably a pancake too.
You would understand the reasons if you have had the misfortune of using the pseudo manual focus on m4/3rds.
On the size- how many 0.95 lenses do you know that are small? Unless special glass is used it won't come down in size while costs will be prohibitive.
Besides, the "micro 4/3rds" is only micro namesake. Check out the size of the Sony NEX5 (it is another matter it is of not much practical use).
. . . . . I have the 25/0.95 on my GF1 and do not find it humongous. The combo is comfortable in my hands and is lightweight when comparing it to a full size DSLR.
Floating Homes ~ Lake Union ~ Seattle, WA
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/1300
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Dan, I'll look forward to seeing how this performs in your capable hands. To date, I've not been inspired by what I've seen of this lens. It is great that CV are producing m4/3rds - may be they'll do a 35/2 or 40/1.4.
try looking thru the finder at f.28, then open up the lens, you will see the image does not get any brighter.
fully agree, focussing on m43 with the hi-res EVF is the most accurate ever. with maginification possible, the accuracy is now to a new level no dslr or even film camera can match.
Here are a few more bokeh samples of the Nokton for anyone interested. The f/0.95 and f/1.2 shots were blown out at 1/4000s and base ISO, so they don't put the lens in a very good light (pun unintended):
I'll send along a good thought and prayer that your personal finances improve so that you do not have to suffer!
. . . . . I believe many of us are having a hell of good time with the 4/3rds equipment. I know I am having fun with my GF1!
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/10
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/4000
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/6
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Dan your shots are fabulous.
And I really love the way this wonderful lens renders OOF.
Life is an infinite series of moments called..."now".
My job is to capture them.
Well, it shows very low contrast wide open. Which is what I do not like.
So I might rather use my Noctilux 1.0 with adapter - I think the much better solution WRT IQ!
But the part about not having enough money for everything fun I can understand... So, I have fun with the stuff I can afford instead. BTW, the µ4/3 system is not a cheap system at all.
Ah, maybe all the questions are rhetoric ones.
WRT 25mm - sure this is not 50mm, but I used the 1.4/25 on my E3 and I never was happy with the look it produced - you could see it is a WA lens. What should be different for the Nocton 25 ???? Sure it is nominal 50mm but it is no real 50mm lens at all. And I would anyway prefer more the 50mm (100mm on FT) for available light shooting, especially of people.
Of course compared to the price of the 1.0 Nocti this lens is a bargain. But it does not rock me - understand what I mean?
I guess one has to have both the lenses to compare and play with the raw files one has taken. I don't expect very high contrast from a super fast lens wide open.
I'm a lucky man, I don't see anything in my 25/1.4 images telling me the lens is a wide angle lens. It seems kinda normal with the exception for some of the flare which reminds me it is a lens with a lot of elements in it? What is there in Amin's images in this thread telling you it is not a normal lens?
25 or 50 or 100 - if your preference is a longer lens then that's the way it is. No, it doesn't really rock me either, but that is the OOF rendering I'm not really liking. But whatever, I know about lenses I like and those I don't like. My preferences aren't always visible in test charts and I don't mind opinions.
One of mine: A manual lens equiv to a 50/2 for EUR 750-850 something isn't exactly a "must have" for me.
Noctilux on FF gives to little DOF for every day applications.
It was useful in past, for bad light. Today - it is admired just by PAPER DOF onanists.
I saw many pictures with it and most seemed useless for me. I see no context at all. This is fine, but for limited usage, for some group of people.
If someone wants to achieve the same in u43 - better is to use longer lens with not extreme like 0.95, but more like 1.4 or 2.
Counterpart of 50mm f/2 on FF has still every day usage.
I can afford a Leica M9 and all the doodahs but I am not going to buy one.
It is useless AFAIC.
I have/use many f/0.95 25mm lenses on m 4/3rds. Some of them are neither cheap nor easy to obtain. None of them are "wide angle" lenses.
I have not seen any evidence in Cosina's lens design that implies it to be "wide angle" lens.
If I am impoverished, I would buy a Pentax DSLR and use the countless M42 lenses available for it.
b) for FF cameras the fastest lenses I have used over longer times have been 50/1.2 lenses. There were many times I wished they had been faster. Heh. Maybe that make me a "PAPER DOF onanist". I agree a longer lens most often is desired, for several reasons. But you know, sometimes it is hard to back up. So, 50/1, 50/1.2, 24/1.4 and so on, they can all come to good use.
The point is - if we would have FF in G1 body - that would be that!
No AF needed for manual lenses.
Wide - when wide attached.
Perfect manual focusing - EVF with magnification of any point within frames, not central only.
No more paralaxa.
Short minimum focusing distance, not 70-100cm like in rangefinders.
I had enough of paralaxa and related cropping, external optical finders for wide, too long minimum focusing distance, glass magnifiers for focusing with longer than 50mm lenses, red corners and color shift on wide angle, so frequent need of sending M9 with lenses for calibration...
Am waiting for:
and observing what X100 will bring.
So far - I found nothing as good and flexible as u43. Period. Am not fun of paper DOF, my photo needs are wider than typical rangefinder focals (35-90).
I start with 7mm, use 45mm for Macro, and go till 140mm (u43 focals). Not replaceable with M9 without additional tools and post processing.
PS: Olympus is rumored to work on modular camera, maybe FF Kodak sensor, with new lens mount but with possibility of attaching 43 and u43 lenses (even if they would not cover whole sensor).
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PPS: Jonas, I entered Leica forum and once again looked for some samples taken with M9 and 50mm 0.95. I must say - I did have found some nice photographs, as minority. Most of presented, linked photos are terrible from photography point of view. They may be liked by bokeh lovers only. Frames showing many people, with just one head in focus - is worst scenario...
Last edited by Jerry_R; 17th November 2010 at 14:43.
I agree with you regarding the lens having a wonderful OOF. . . . . . it also does very well with the colors . . . . .
John & Rob ~ Contemplation
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/20
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.095 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/15
Autumn Leaves in the Rain
GF1 with Voigtlander Nokton 25mm f0.95 -- ISO 200 -- f0.95 -- 1/2500
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