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Nokton 25/0.95 samples
- Thread starter Jonas
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m3photo
New member
Thanks for pointing us to it. I think it delivers quite a decent result. Considering the doll was shot wide open I couldn't find fault with it. The ship at night even at f/4 is well reproduced. The one that impressed me most was the old Jaguar at just f/2.8 showing right edge and centre performance to be quite good. Over to you folks ...
I like it. The sharpness and the bokeh at 0.95 would suit my shooting style. I plan to get one
Thanks for posting
Keith
seakayaker
Active member
Thanks for posting the link . . . . .
Enjoyed the photos, loved the ship at night, the bokeh in the boxing glove shot and the shot of the books and decanters . . . . .
Placed a deposit to purchase when they are released a week ago.
Life is Grand!
Dan
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Enjoyed the photos, loved the ship at night, the bokeh in the boxing glove shot and the shot of the books and decanters . . . . .
Placed a deposit to purchase when they are released a week ago.
Life is Grand!
Dan
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Vivek
Guest
Jonas, I would like to hear what you think of the images.
Thanks for the link. The most interesting aspect for me there (besides the samples) is the amazon link that indicates the price to be <700 Euros.:thumbup:
Thanks for the link. The most interesting aspect for me there (besides the samples) is the amazon link that indicates the price to be <700 Euros.:thumbup:
Michiel Schierbeek
Well-known member
Thanks Jonas! Duartix is insightful guy!
I think it is a very interesting lens for low light. It has a little aggressive bokeh when looked in close up, but it seems rather sharp even wide open.
The boat picture @4 is amazing.
I think I like it, but would like to see some more.
Michiel
I think it is a very interesting lens for low light. It has a little aggressive bokeh when looked in close up, but it seems rather sharp even wide open.
The boat picture @4 is amazing.
I think I like it, but would like to see some more.
Michiel
kevinparis
Member
haven't looked too closely... but they do see a little flat contrast wise.... but maybe thats just a wide aperture thing
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biglouis
Well-known member
I looked through them. At f2 or f2.8 I am impressed with the sharpness of the images. However, they are only as sharp, imho, as the Lumix 20/1.7 and you'd have to ask yourself do you feel lucky (well do you punk?) using manual focus over the very good AF of the 20/1.7?
The 0.95 images are very good but nothing is in focus as far as I can see anywhere in the frame. In fact, it would be very helpful if the picture actually included the information about where in the frame the shooter focussed.
This is not a surprise to me. My CV 50/1.5 works very well down to f2 (on my M8). Very sharp and wonderful bokeh. At f1.5 it is a very hit and miss afair. I also briefly owned the CV 50/1.1 and sadly I could never get any kind of sharp plane of focus with that so I sold it. Nice soft images with lots of lovely diffuse areas but for portrait work I'd like to try and get at least one eye focussed sharply.
I know all the arguments about dof and razor thin planes of focus but by comparison test images from the new Leica 0.95 do seem to have at least one point which is razor sharp and it is impressive (as it should be for the price).
So, my opinion for what it is worth is please buy one and shoot a lot of images so I can see whether in this case the photographer just didn't do a good job or like other CV Nokton products it will be good enough if you like Jazz but not good enough if you are more exacting in your photographic tastes.
LouisB
The 0.95 images are very good but nothing is in focus as far as I can see anywhere in the frame. In fact, it would be very helpful if the picture actually included the information about where in the frame the shooter focussed.
This is not a surprise to me. My CV 50/1.5 works very well down to f2 (on my M8). Very sharp and wonderful bokeh. At f1.5 it is a very hit and miss afair. I also briefly owned the CV 50/1.1 and sadly I could never get any kind of sharp plane of focus with that so I sold it. Nice soft images with lots of lovely diffuse areas but for portrait work I'd like to try and get at least one eye focussed sharply.
I know all the arguments about dof and razor thin planes of focus but by comparison test images from the new Leica 0.95 do seem to have at least one point which is razor sharp and it is impressive (as it should be for the price).
So, my opinion for what it is worth is please buy one and shoot a lot of images so I can see whether in this case the photographer just didn't do a good job or like other CV Nokton products it will be good enough if you like Jazz but not good enough if you are more exacting in your photographic tastes.
LouisB
M5-Guy
New member
I believe these are out of camera, no post at all..
I downloaded one and added sharpening and contrast... here is the link,
Click on the download control on the tabs above the image. to your computer for closer examination....
The Right eye is the focus point I believe.
Let me know if the link works...
I downloaded one and added sharpening and contrast... here is the link,
Click on the download control on the tabs above the image. to your computer for closer examination....
The Right eye is the focus point I believe.
Let me know if the link works...
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biglouis
Well-known member
Thank you, that is much better. The out of focus areas are very attractive and with the post processing there is a more clearly defined area of focus. Personally I would prefer to try one before I buy one, if that is possible.
LouisB
To me it was very interesting looking at the sample images. This is the first time we can look at images taken with a super fast lens made for 4/3 sensors.
At first sight I really liked the images. Heck, the darn lens covers the sensor. That's a first time. Great stuff. Not only does it cover the sensor, it seem to me as the images are sharp, at least OK "sharp" from the center and to the border. That's another first time for a 25/1 (or 25/0.95...)
Then when getting back to the images the next day I got a totally impression: ugly bokeh, CA, LoCA, a lot of fringe, poor contrast, flare - everything was there. Strange.
I guess it was all in my head. The first time I was happy with seeing images taken with a super fast 25mm lens looking like normal images (as opposed to dark things not covering the sensor). When having that second look I noticed all the flaws. I was probably expecting something more normal.
I think any of my 50mm lenses, when mounted to a FF camera, performs better than the Nokton 25/0.95. So, either our system is a poor system, or the Nokton is a poor lens. Or, one can say a lens this fast is an extreme lens, a special lens made for a specialist. Sure, when was a 50/2 considered a specialist item only?
I'll buy a Nokton 25/0.95. I'll do that despite the obvious flaws and the high price. I have gone totally micro and 100% Live View. I take what I can get.
EUR 890, from a dealer in Germany, is that a good price?
Cheers,
/Jonas
At first sight I really liked the images. Heck, the darn lens covers the sensor. That's a first time. Great stuff. Not only does it cover the sensor, it seem to me as the images are sharp, at least OK "sharp" from the center and to the border. That's another first time for a 25/1 (or 25/0.95...)
Then when getting back to the images the next day I got a totally impression: ugly bokeh, CA, LoCA, a lot of fringe, poor contrast, flare - everything was there. Strange.
I guess it was all in my head. The first time I was happy with seeing images taken with a super fast 25mm lens looking like normal images (as opposed to dark things not covering the sensor). When having that second look I noticed all the flaws. I was probably expecting something more normal.
I think any of my 50mm lenses, when mounted to a FF camera, performs better than the Nokton 25/0.95. So, either our system is a poor system, or the Nokton is a poor lens. Or, one can say a lens this fast is an extreme lens, a special lens made for a specialist. Sure, when was a 50/2 considered a specialist item only?
I'll buy a Nokton 25/0.95. I'll do that despite the obvious flaws and the high price. I have gone totally micro and 100% Live View. I take what I can get.
EUR 890, from a dealer in Germany, is that a good price?
Cheers,
/Jonas
M5-Guy
New member
Have you looked at my previous post, where I provide a link to a 10mb sample that I sharpened and added a bit of contrast... (post 9)... take a look... you will be happier, I too may buy this lens. Even though I prefer AF, the MF on the G1 at 10x or 14x is easy to focus. CA is easy enough to correct with modern editing software these days, so no biggy. I have to adj the lens distortion with my Oly 17 on my Pany G1 on some subjects....(wish they would do optical correction like in the old days, instead of relying on the camera firmware do it, oh the modern technology can make manufactures lazy at times :thumbdown
Anyway, it should be good performer, and I am sure Cosina/Voigtlander will introduce a few more fast primes.. a 12mm f/2, a 17mm f/1.4 would be in my wish list.
EUR 890 is in the ball park of offerings USA Price had not been set yet, but it should around USD 1100.000 +/-
Anyway, it should be good performer, and I am sure Cosina/Voigtlander will introduce a few more fast primes.. a 12mm f/2, a 17mm f/1.4 would be in my wish list.
EUR 890 is in the ball park of offerings USA Price had not been set yet, but it should around USD 1100.000 +/-
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Hi,
Yes I did. I also downloaded all the images and looked at them carefully using Lightroom and then, after some processing, Irfanview. I agree about your observation and I also think the images were more or less unprocessed.
Sometimes CA is easy to take care of sometimes not, LoCA is never really easy to take care of without degrading parts of the image. And there is a lot of LoCA in these images. Ugly bokeh can also be tricky.
Anyway, I'll have to try it out myself and see what I really think after a lot of images. I hope some minor technical flaws will be masked by the images themselves.
Is there anyone having seen a better deal in the Eu than the quoted €890?
EDIT: I noticed you mentioned USD 1.100... that sounds very expensive.
Cheers,
/Jonas
M5-Guy
New member
I just used my Currency converter with today's rates, EUR 890 = USD 1149Hi,
Yes I did. I also downloaded all the images and looked at them carefully using Lightroom and then, after some processing, Irfanview. I agree about your observation and I also think the images were more or less unprocessed.
Sometimes CA is easy to take care of sometimes not, LoCA is never really easy to take care of without degrading parts of the image. And there is a lot of LoCA in these images. Ugly bokeh can also be tricky.
Anyway, I'll have to try it out myself and see what I really think after a lot of images. I hope some minor technical flaws will be masked by the images themselves.
Is there anyone having seen a better deal in the Eu than the quoted €890?
EDIT: I noticed you mentioned USD 1.100... that sounds very expensive.
Cheers,
/Jonas
It may be high, but, that's how it goes for 1st batch buyers..
. It should settle down, but, I think it may not go much lower...100 EUR in a few months maybe.The Ganref site mentioned a price in Japan equal to EUR 700. The EUR 890 price is the only price I have seen at any dealer in the EU and includes the German 19% VAT so somewhat higher than the Japanese price, and pricier than I expected.
Maybe the lens will cost around USD 900 plus any possible Gandy penalty (if his prices still are very high)?
/Jonas
M5-Guy
New member
A $900 price would be better....
The 75 f/1.8 is I think $700.00. for Leica M mounts... That's a good price also.
Yup. That is the EUR 700 price mentioned by Vivek above. However... We're sorry; this item can not be shipped outside Japan
Adding Swedish tax would make that EUR 875, adding German tax which I believe is 19%? would make it EUR 833.
Is there anyone having seen any other price here in Europe but the EUR 890 I mentioned?
/Jonas
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koji
Guest
It is now slightly cheaper (27% off)>
http://www.amazon.co.jp/COSINA-NOKT...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1283809418&sr=1-23
http://www.amazon.co.jp/COSINA-NOKT...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1283809418&sr=1-23
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Vivek
Guest
Jonas, a lot of things you posted there, I disagree with. I will not go into the details as you have not used any such fast lenses and I have not had a chance to use the Nokton either.
I would simply disagree with that quoted statement. I would answer affirmatively on both counts: the system is great (compared to Sony which can not handle such fast lenses) and the lens also appears to be fine.