Last edited by johnastovall; 23rd October 2008 at 12:51.
Can't really compare film vs digital for body size. Film camera is much simpler with essentially little if any electronics (meter, battery, perhaps shutter connection). Digital is just chock full of little cards on flexible connectors, and other assorted electronic components (+ LCD, EVF, etc.).
Still we can hope for full function smaller bodies.
P.S. Pogue liked the concept but wouldn't buy the G1 for current paucity of lenses, no video, and the fact that it is almost equal to a E420 in size.
I don't care about the video. Lenses will come, and the size may be just right.
I will as a dinosaur continue to compare film and digital until digital gives me in size and flexiabity what film bodies gave me. To me it's not a question of hope but demand. As for video, if I want to do video, I'll buy a camera designed to do video with professional quality and audio.
Last edited by johnastovall; 23rd October 2008 at 13:31.
Maybe it's me but that was a poorly written "review." He spent the whole time praising it only to not recommend it for not offering certain features on the base model. I can agre to an extent that I'd like the body to be smaller but that's a personal preference. I can live with the current size though honestly. It's a digital camera and I'm happy that Panasonic focused on the still camera aspects and decided to release a video version later. I too would like more lenses but the kit lens provides you with a wide and very useful range @ 28-90mm equivalent. That would be enough zoom for most people but the other lens takes you all the way out to 400mm equivalent. Whether you want to take the jump or not it's hard to argue with the included features and results for the price. That's just my take on things though.
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I had a different take. I thought he really liked it and was impressed but simply said wait for the video and more lenses.
Panasonic stated that they could have made the G1 smaller so I guess the next version will be interesting. I do hope sales are good so that it encourages more development.
The few existing lenses do look good on paper to me, and how many people buy an SLR with only one lens? Lots I'd say.
when you get a look at it, please take note of the shutter sound level... I'm eager to see your description
also, see if there's a way of manually switching and controlling the zoomed view in the EVF for focusing - I want to see how practical it will be to focus legacy lenses with this camera.
I have ordered mine - was promised one for Monday (via 3rd party dealer) but Panasonic dropped the ball, very frustrating! lol
As soon as I get mine, I'm going to do a fairly thorough review of how the camera performs as a complement to 4/3rds system - using a whole range of 4/3rds and legacy lenses.
The report will go to all of our Safari Group members and subscribers :
Here's the registration page for the Olympus Photo Safari Group
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p.s. particularly interested in your comparison of the G1's shutter sound related to your M8... I know it's a mechanical shutter, but hoping it will sound good
Major league bummer. Panny wasn't at this show which was geared towards pros. So, I didn't get my hands on a G1. I just have to play the waiting game.
I'd trust any number of opinions on this board before I'd take anything Pogue said seriously. ymmv.
This is why I'm really excited about the G1...
Following images taken from this japanese forum.
I have a collection of 4/3rds converted Hexanon lenses that I'm interested in using, as well as all of my 4/3rds lenses on this camera. I've just ordered the 14-45mm kit lens and a 4/3rds adapter... can't wait to get going with it!
Hehe, that G1 with the little Pentax 110 lens looks bizzare. I wonder what the results are like?
OMG!!! who made the m4/3 to M adapter? How totally cool. I NEED them! I ordered my G1 in red LOL!
After much digging in the Japanese forum it appears the adapters are made by Miyamoto and sold under the brand Rayqual. Robert White seems to sell Rayqual in the UK and might know where to get them.
any chance of a side by side shot of the G1 with you M8 when it arrives?
Incidentally, if anyone doesn't know them, Robert White are splendid:
no filters needed, although the wide angles are going to be pretty boring . . . the longer M lenses sound like more fun (75mm f2 = 150mm f2).
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you make a good point about wide angle - the ZD 9-18 should make a perfect complement to the G1... even the 7-18 will be great - with the articulating screen.
Well originally the red looked a bit darker and not quite as bright. That was one of the reasons I really wanted to see it at the Photo Expo. I can change the color on my order. I just wanted to have fun with it.
Mine arrives tomorrow.
Jono - there is hope for me yet. I changed my order from Red to Blue. The initial pictures of the red were darker and kind of cool. More recent photos showed the body as a little too bold and bright.
I am slammed at work until about 8PM so probably won't be able to post anything until quite late and they won't be daylight shots.
Great. please post ur initial impressions with the finder, AF, and general "feel" of the camera.
Glad u changed the color.
Can't wait to see your first shots, Terry!
Would you post again when you hear from Steve.
I already called Steve Gandy about these adapters last week. He is already looking into them.
They seem to be of high quality, and make make my Leica, Hexanaon lenses live again.
Do you think that the Hexanaon lenses will require slightly different adapters than the Leica lens adapters due to the very slight difference in flange to sensor distance??
No. You just lose a tiny bit of the close focus. Infinity will not be at infinity but a tad closer on the focus scale.
Edit: Actually a 0.05mm difference isn't going to affect the focus, especially when done through liveview.
Thanks for the info Vivek. I have the Hexanon 55mm f 1.2 (aka -poor man's Noctilux), and I would love to use it on a digital body.
Also those Leica lenses are just waiting to be used.
Hope that Steve Gandy can get those adapters.
I guess you mean the Hexanon 57mm f1.2 - I have two of them, and they are my favourite portrait lenses for 4/3rds.
There isn't actually a converter available for the Hexanon to 4/3rds mount, you just need a spacer. This is the method I use :
Pete Snaar's Hexanon Conversion.
So I'll be simply mounting my converted Hexanons to the G1 using the standard 4/3rds adapter, and a spacer ring I've fitted as per the above.
Hope that helps
Brian, I think Martin is referring to the Hexanon-M lens (50/1.2 or even rarer 60/1.2)- they are still quite pricey compared to the Konica 57/1.2.
Interesting link and information (which isn't very obvious) on the Konica mount being exactly the same as the 4/3rds mount!!
I wonder if there is a similar exact match to the micro 4/3rds mount as well?!
Could you post the exact inner/outer diameter (male/female) of the M 4/3 mount?
I'll have mine in 2 days and will figure it out.
It is the 50 mm f 1.2. I haven't used it in so long that that thought it was 55 mm.
My order from panasonic direct looks like it will ship today.
Hopefully receive it by Wed. or Thurs.
Any more reviews on line???
unless someone creates a native m4/3rds to Hexanon converter, it will be a case of adapting each Hex lens with a spacer ring, and then using the standard 4/3rds to m4/3rds adapter.
Have you registered to join our review team? it would be great to have your impressions added to the discussion
Hi Brian, Thanks for the invite. Yes, I registered now.
Yes, the camera registries are slightly different and would need a spacer to get infinity focus lined up with the markings on the lens (as far as4/3rds are concerned). If you consider a Konica T mount, for example, there should be no modifications necessary (for the 4/3rds, again).
Easy, very easy. It is really, really good and I believe (after a few hours of using) that it is really usable!How good/bad is manual focusing with the EVF?
Anyone considering it for M lens use, do not hesitate!
Arne, Mine is a "pan-European" model and hence no English manuals. My language skills w.r.t German and Dutch are meagre French/Italian- non-existent.
So, I am also awaiting the online pdf (English) manual. However, the camera functions are all in English as a default (changeable to other languages).
Let me just say that I am very happy that I did not sell my 50/0.95 Canon lens.
It does a better job on the G1 than it did on the Epson R-D1s!
I will put together my adapter next week sometime once I have the required bits.
About using R lenses- yes it should be possible. But you will have to hold the camera in your hand to see how odd it would look and handle. This camera is really tiny and lightweight (the Canon 50/0.95 monster looks odd as well).
No offence to the G1 users here but I do not like the kit zoom nor the artificial camera shutter noise (which can be but has to be switched off).
Handling is closer to a P/S cam than a real rangefinder camera. But, this is a state of the art camera and I am sure the M 4/3rds format and the live view (EVF) focusing is here to stay.
One thing that I can confirm- 0% UV response and no IR response as well- this is even without a lens on the camera!
Another new red G1 owner (love ithe color!). Took it out for test walk in a nearby gorge and was quite impressed with the performance of both the camera and kit lens. Sample shot below. Looking forward to comparing sensor performance with the M8 using same M mount lenses when the new M adapter becomes available next month.
Just posted by my friend Bjorn Uptott on the dpreview Panasonic forum :
For those like me who like to go through the manual before making a final decision to purchase, the G1's PDF manual is now available for download (55 MB).
Scroll down to DMCG1K under AV Products, Digital Still Camera.
Manual on line
And here's a direct link to the English pdf
Direct Link - WARNING 55MB download
Thank you very much, Brian!
HI There Scho - and welcome!
That's a great shot - very very promising I'd say.
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Lovely! Bought mine yesterday evening, and the Swedish manual is so lousy that I had to read the Danish one to get any idea of what they were talking about...
Obviously the person who made the Swedish translation has no knowledge whatsoever of photographic terms. He/she seems to believe that noise and camera shake are the same thing..
Now, I can read the English one, which is (hopefully) somewhat better.
Brian, IŽll return to the UKPSG diary as soon as I have anything to say... Still shooting in the iA (idiots Assured?) mode, but now that I get a decent manual, I may get somewhere.
Lovely machine, so-so lens...