Vivek, You are killing me!!!!!! The bee photos are over the top.
No need for Visoflexes (a III could go for as much as a new G1 body!!)
Here is an ultra wide test shot (lousy weather). Kinoptik 9.8mm f/1.8 @ f/4, 1/50s, ISO640.
Yes, bokeh with an ultra-wide on a 0.5X crop sensor.
Wow. How close is the lens to the bike seat?
Not the closest distance possible. It was at ~12cm.
A couple of quick grabs.
The first from the ultra-wide (9.8mm f/1.8 @ f/8, ~60cm from the dirty car)
This one (B/W mode during the capture) using an ancient Hektor 135mm f/4.5 wide open, ISO1600, 1/200s. Nasty weather.
Vivek, Your weather is almost as bad as ours. I haven't seen the sun for 2 weeks. Nice work with your amazing lens collection. Are all of these lenses adapted for the M mount?
Hi Carl, The Kinoptik 9.8mm lens is an adapted lens (LTM and then an M adapter).
The 135mm f/4.5 Hektor is a straight M mount lens (RF coupling and all). I always wondered why they put a nice tripod mount on that tiny lens. It would come in very handy especially when used on the G1. The sample shot here was hand-held (not good, not fast enough shutter speed).
It is very windy and wet snow here. No trace of the Sun at all.
Vivek, regarding focusing of these M mount lenses, does the G1 automatically zoom the view or is that only with manual focus on the Panasonic lenses?
If it is manual, how does one do the zooming in?
I don't understand the first part. I have not been using the kit zoom. All the samples shown here were using manual focus lenses.
I tried to make some shots to illustrate what I thought were your questions but I felt that is pointless.
If you have the camera, it will be easier to walk you through it. It is simple
(hey, even I could do it from day 1!!).
The shots through a Canon 50/0.95, wide open, should tell you something about focus accuracy, ease of focusing and the like. Equally illustrative would be the wide open shot of a fast moving person in a mini blizzard through a 135mm Hektor (the longest focal length lens from an M system).
OK, let me reword.
I understand that the LCD zooms in, when using the Panasonic kit lens in manual focus mode, and this zooming is automatic.
When you have a Canon 50/0.95 on the camera, and turn the focus on the lens, the camera doesn't know you are focusing, so it can't zoom the LCD image automatically. So, how do you zoom in manually?
I have seen the photos, and having used fast lenses on M Leicas including the M8, where focus accuracy is spotty, I'm pretty amazed...thanks for posting those images.
OK, there is a little button on the back (don't know what it is called). You press that and a small yellow rectangle shows in the frame. You press another button and that rectangle is magnified (~100% crop? something like that) you can move that little yellow rectangle all over the frame to choose the area of your interest/focus. In addition to this after enlarging the little yellow rectangle, if you use the thumbwheel in the camera in one direction, it magnifies it further (~200% crop?).
Since you can choose an area in the frame and all these things, you do not have to focus and reframe. You do not need to move the camera and lose any focus (as in a rangefinder and a fast lens).
So, focus accuracy is better than it has ever been with any system.
I don't like that auto zoom feature when the lens is turned, so I turned it off. When I am ready for critical focus, I press the left arrow on the multi-selector. A yellow rectangle appears and can be moved with the arrow buttons. When it is precisely positioned, I press the menu/set button in the middle of the multi-selector and the G1 zooms in. Fine focus can now be achieved. As Vivek said above, you can use the thumbwheel while zoomed in for even greater magnification. A half-press of the shutter zooms it back out for final confirmation and then a full press finishes the shot. The M, R, etc. lenses should work the same way.
Thanks Cindy for the technical terms of the buttons and the further explanation.
Since these little buttons are clustered together, unless you have eyes that will pop out like some alien creature, you can not use the eye level view finder (is that what that is called?) and use the buttons effectively.
This is why the waist level focusing and the swivel TFT (or LCD as Panasonic says) screen are very important and useful.
OK thanks Cindy and Vivek.
Oddly enough, my G1 showed up courtesy of the UPS truck, so now I can try all this out.
(BTW, Cindy I bought a Dimage scanner from you a while back off RFF...still working great.)
Vivek, That is exactly right. For the most critical focus, you must use the LCD, not the viewfinder if you are going to use the method I use.
I use the viewfinder a lot of time and can achieve good focus, but for the most precision, then it is the LCD.
The only problem that I have using the LCD, is that I can't brace the camera (to myself) like I do when I use the viewfinder. Do you have any hints to supporting the shot?...or are you just super steady? Your shots with the M lenses have sure been stellar.
Also, I´m on Stephen Gandy´s waiting list for the M adapter. I had planned to use the adapter mainly with my 50 and 90, for portraits & c, but the ease of manual focussing makes me wonder if I´ll really need that pancake after all, or if I should start looking for old gems like you have (at present I own nothing shorter than a Summicron 35, not short enough).
An absolutely remarkable camera! How Leica could pass on making a red dot version of it is beyond me...
I prefer to shoot this way, it's more steady having the camera to your eye and there's no problem with glare.
Cindy, My hand, it appears, is ergonomically suited to handle this cam with the LCD screen. The body rests in the mid palm and the wrist. The LCD screen going over the wrist (almost like cradling a new born baby while bathing it) while the thumb and two fingers(index, middle) used for focusing the lens. The right hand holds the grip, fingers used for the buttons (multiselector, shutter release).
Yup, I do not use the eye level finder at all.
Per, The 135mm focal length ( I have an Elmar and a Hektor, both can be found for very cheap prices) is very useful on this camera (when there is light!).
The 135/4.5 is a pain to use on a Leica camera. You need a separate view finder to frame and use the RF focus (hence the tripod mount).
That is a worthwhile lens to get (especially if it is a bargain).
Yes, I am looking forward to the 20/1.7 as well. I am also hoping that Olympus will weave their magic.
I also have ~10 lenses () from another system that I am currently trying to adapt (ie making an adapter).
Remarkable camera it is! I have to locate my thesaurus to find a list of adequate superlative words.
Now, Stephen Gandy, please bring on that M converter--soon!
Also the incredible Apo Macro Elmarit R 2.8/100, complete with the special Elpro; not for a pittance, but nevertheless....
Never, ever sell Leica gear!!!!
Frankly, I do not think Leica have a fleeting chance to compete. The M4/3 is light years (as implemented in the very first camera, even) ahead of their camera making technology. Perhaps they can come up with some M4/3rd D lenses. Useful for everyone.
You can find them again for a pittance now.Sigh.... I sold one (with short & long mounts, a Visoflex I, and a bellows), for a pittance last year, since I saw no chance of ever using it again...
That Elpro is something special. I understand what you think.Also the incredible Apo Macro Elmarit R 2.8/100, complete with the special Elpro; not for a pittance, but nevertheless....
Never, ever sell Leica gear!!!!
That said, I do see the point in good but inexpensive plastic cameras instead of heirlooms as working tools.
In fact, my first adapter was not an M adapter!Well, I don´t think of Leica as necessarily being at the cutting edge of technology to prove their unique value. Why is the first choice of accessory for our new G1:s the M adapter? One of the first lenses *I* will mount on it when I get it is an uncoated, 1936 vintage Summar 50/2, to try some dreamy portraits. And you´re using an old Hektor 135....
Anyway, yes, that is the problem for Leica. There are way too many old lenses still kicking around and functioning well!
Sigma, for example, does not have that problem at all!
It is a different case when it comes to cameras in the digital era.
I just found few old Leitz accessories I had. I was surprised to discover that an unknown Xenon 50/2 (I always thought it was not a very useful lens!) fits nicely in an OUAGO (straight fit!). What a stunner this one is!
(I will take this out for a spin tomorrow).
It is this sort discoveries that is possible with this 20mm camera registry with live view and makes it very exciting!
of course, being a computer programmer I DO have eyes like some alien creature which will pop out, and so I find it quite easy to press the buttons with my eye to the viewfinder.
I got my adaptor today, and have been fiddling about with the 50mm macro (manual focus) and the 9-18 - which focuses very well automatically.
Just this guy you know
Glad to hear that it works for you. Are you running online fora as well (that comment on this site wasn't directed against anyone, it was just a general observation and true too! )?
Glad you can add some versatility to your new system.
I will show some useful (at least they are to me) Leitz accessories that are useful with G1 (via an M adapter) a bit later if anyone is interested.
Well, I don't really think of myself as a programmer - developer maybe? Parasite on the edge of the software industry? My geek credentials are actually pretty low (and getting lower by the day).
As for online fora . . .no, but we are setting one up for the business; it will be fabulously boring!
I will be fascinated by your Leitz accessories!
Just this guy you know
Vivek, I'll say me three.
Can't wait to put my Nokton 40/1.4 on this thing. I actually held it up to the G1 without a mount and took a few shots. It was kind of a dreamy look, heh. In the meantime I'm going to get the 4/3 to m4/3 adapter, and a Nikon F-->4/3 adapter, so I can use all my Nikkors, especially my 55 Micro. The manual focus/ articulated live view is perfect for macro shots, nothing beats it, and 110mm equivalent gives some nice working room.
Ok, I need a life... I just couldn't wait till I get ahold of the M adapter. This is my first M photo. It is totally unworthy except for the fact that it was made with my old Leica Summarit f/1.5 (a couple of stops down). I held it in front of the G1 because I am not talented like my hero, Vivek.
I sure hope Santa brings me that adapter...please, Stephen Gandy.
Our letters to santa were both addressed to the same place. Mr Gandy. It is getting exciting that's for sure!
yehh...eye couLdn't resist...M summiLux 35mmmmm @ f/1.4 / Panasonic G1...Lens cap-body cap...bLack tap adapt'r this is going t' be fun...
Intrepid group we are.
Cindy, I bet you your Summarex is no lemon! Prices have shot through the roof on this lens already!! The contrast will get a big boost when you use it with the proper adapter.
Jan, Welcome. Yeah, why not? I still have my body cap intact. It is not a bad construction but I would not trust it with my Canon 50/0.95.
I still have to get a few details of the old accessories I have before I put them here. Some (may be very few) die hard Leica nuts would know if something is wrong or not but I do not want to mislead anyone. Soon.
Today started out cold and sunny. I had an Elmar 90/4 on the G1.
Later, in the evening, it was time to check out the newly discovered Schneider Xenon 50/2 that screws directly into a Leitz OUAGO (I will post a picture later). All these shots were taken with it (f/2), ISO400~640, low shutter speeds (~1/15s to 1/20s).
(this man was confused to see a tiny gadget with a LCD screen like the one on his Sonycam!)
.. and the Performer (it was sweet).
I did find a B+W push on hood for the Xenon 50/2 but did not have it on for these shots. It is quite flare resistant. I suspect (because of its screw thread dimensions and the performance, it is one of the original Schneiders made for an LTM lens. I have no clue where/when I got it!)
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As a non-rangefinder person--I'd appreciate someone pointing me to a good site (or even a good book) to understand these lens names--Sumicron, Nokton, etc. I've been googling for each one but still haven't figured out if there's a quality (ala L lenses/Canon) or what. I do understand that the Nokton is Voigtlander, Sumicron Leica (Leitz??? LOL)--but why are names attached rather than just FL/maximum aperture (as 50 f/1.4)? Until I understand this I won't be able to understand exactly what is possible.
I will throw in these that are closeby:
ISBN 1 874707 05 7
ISBN 1 874707 34 0
I was enquiring about a Zuiko lens (from the early 1970s) the other day and the sales kid tells me that they only have lenses for the 4/3rds.
yes the leica fans do love their insider talk :-- I know i live with one :-)
In very broad terms cameras from Leitz are called Leicas
the lenses.. of which there are many some of which are idolized by the Leica lovers are commonly known by their pet names summilux, summarit etc... actually at least one - Hektor - is a pet name
anyway regardless of focal length in the Leica world
Noctilux means f1 or less
Summilux is f1.4
Summicron is f2
Summarit is f2.5
elmar/elmarit is f2.8
there are variations.. i will leave you to look up Hektor
According to a post in the following RFF thread the Novoflex adapter will be available starting tomorrow:
This is a dealer in the UK
if you look under
and look at M mount lenses, then it should give you an idea as to what's what.
Just this guy you know
How about a 25mm/0.95 on the G1?
Cindy, I *wish* those were my lenses and photos. The owner of the flickr set made his own c-mount adapter (movie camera lenses.)
The ebay link is to a lens he's offering for sale...a 25mm f/0.95 for $749...
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