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    Re: Fun with 4/3rds cameras/ Image Thread

    Hi Jack,
    I was wondering when you were going to post pictures from the G1. Looks good...which child is an angel (not tall enough to be you - or can't imagine you wanting to lay down in the snow).
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    My Reflection....Dance the Ghost with Me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    Lovely Shots all! Here are some leftover Christmas Decorations....

    e410/25mm Zuiko
    These decorations are a hoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Hi Jack,
    I was wondering when you were going to post pictures from the G1. Looks good...which child is an angel (not tall enough to be you - or cn imagine you wanting to lay down in the snow).
    That was my 15 yr old daughter's first snow angel -- not bad eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post

    Back alley,

    This is a great shot! I also am impressed by the tonal range in your B&W conversion and assume it is from the G1? Is that an in-camera B&W jpeg or do you process them in post? I am new to the G1 and would appreciate any details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    These decorations are a hoot.
    Aren't they just, Terry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Back alley,

    This is a great shot! I also am impressed by the tonal range in your B&W conversion and assume it is from the G1? Is that an in-camera B&W jpeg or do you process them in post? I am new to the G1 and would appreciate any details.

    Thanks,
    i shot jpeg, fine in the g1.
    i open in photoshop elements 6 on my macbook.
    i convert to b&w using ? (can't remember) and use the 'urban landscape' setting.
    then i process with levels and a touch of unsharp mask.

    pretty simple as i'm still learning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flesher View Post
    Took the G1 into Yosemite yesterday, just dorking around a bit. These with the 14-45...
    All three pictures are great...I love the look from this combination. Which lens for the two landscapes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post
    i shot jpeg, fine in the g1.
    i open in photoshop elements 6 on my macbook.
    i convert to b&w using ? (can't remember) and use the 'urban landscape' setting.
    then i process with levels and a touch of unsharp mask.

    pretty simple as i'm still learning.
    joe
    i don't see a way to edit my own post so i will quote myself and change what i said before.

    i convert to black & white by using 'enhance', then 'convert to black and white', and use the urban/snapshot setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post
    i shot jpeg, fine in the g1.
    i open in photoshop elements 6 on my macbook.
    i convert to b&w using ? (can't remember) and use the 'urban landscape' setting.
    then i process with levels and a touch of unsharp mask.

    pretty simple as i'm still learning.
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    LOLOL! Well it looks great -- keep up the good work!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    All three pictures are great...I love the look from this combination. Which lens for the two landscapes?

    Bob
    Thanks Bob! All three of those were shot with the kit zoom -- according to the exif data, the Half Dome reflection was at 17mm; the tree at 26mm -- it really is an excellent little lens!
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    Out shopping today -- guess where? -- The roundabout ornament is a clue
    taken from the car -- passenger's seat.

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    Re: Fun with 4/3rds cameras/ Image Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by back alley View Post
    i shot jpeg, fine in the g1.
    i open in photoshop elements 6 on my macbook.
    i convert to b&w using ? (can't remember) and use the 'urban landscape' setting.
    then i process with levels and a touch of unsharp mask.

    pretty simple as i'm still learning.
    joe
    Backalley (Joe?) or Jack F,

    I was intrigued by BackAlley's settings. I use a a PC and just got Adobe's FABULOUS Elements 7 (I'd had PSE 5.0 and 3.0 previously). Under which menu would I find 'urban/landscape'? Is that a filter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterb View Post
    Backalley (Joe?) or Jack F,

    I was intrigued by BackAlley's settings. I use a a PC and just got Adobe's FABULOUS Elements 7 (I'd had PSE 5.0 and 3.0 previously). Under which menu would I find 'urban/landscape'? Is that a filter?

    Peter

    i convert to black & white by using 'enhance', then 'convert to black and white', and use the urban/snapshot setting.

    joe

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    Heading out to the coast line but from my walk to the Ferry Market for some goodies and bfast.....


    Attachment 10550

    edit...I think the upload process sharpens this more. I just substituted the original for this, an unsharpened version, but the back building windows definitely look worse than on my Lightroom screen.
    Last edited by Terry; 3rd January 2009 at 12:15.

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    Thats some bow n' arrow Terry

    e410, 25mm, used liveview to frame, lag caused some movement blur but I rather like this jpeg straight from camera

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    Would anyone like to volunteer to improve this pic by PP? I can post the RW2 for d/l. I'm still learning and would love some tips.


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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Would anyone like to volunteer to improve this pic by PP? I can post the RW2 for d/l. I'm still learning and would love some tips.
    I'm gonna say two things that I'll probably get shot down for, but I'm gonna say them anyway.

    First of all, I believe that the content of a picture is more important than the technical proficiency with which it is presented. I would much rather see a technically poor picture of an interesting subject than a technically perfect picture of something boring.

    Second, I believe that each photographer has the right to decide for his or herself how an image is presented. There is certainly nothing wrong with soliciting advice or criticism, but in the end, the final decision should rest with the photographer, critics be damned.

    Now in your picture, I see two adorable characters sitting on what is probably their favorite chair, and the looks on their faces are priceless. Nothing about the picture strikes me as inherently "wrong" or detracts from those faces. So why mess with it? I like it a lot just the way it is.

    Now for the disclaimer. I'm not real happy to be back at work after the New Year holiday, so I'm not in the best of moods today. And that probably accounts for the above rant. Sorry about that. Please feel free to ignore everything I just said.

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    The only thing I would play with is the highlight on the left and see if you can recover it a bit so it isn't quite so bright.

    I agree on the expressions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lili View Post
    Thats some bow n' arrow Terry

    e410, 25mm, used liveview to frame, lag caused some movement blur but I rather like this jpeg straight from camera
    Hey Lili nice nose!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Would anyone like to volunteer to improve this pic by PP? I can post the RW2 for d/l. I'm still learning and would love some tips.

    Monza,
    Bill and Terry are right. Your subjects are adorable.
    Post the photo (if you like) and we can see if it will be possible to bring back the left side of the photo a little.

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    The original is underexposed, so it will be interesting to see what is possible.

    http://doiop.com/nn55aa

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    Bill, I agree with your post, just wondering what is possible to get the best out of this photo.

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    I played with recovery and curves:

    recovery is maxed out
    Attachment 10609

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    Thought so. I'll have to get them to pose again after I learn how this camera works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Thought so. I'll have to get them to pose again after I learn how this camera works.
    I was only working with a file the size you posted. You may be able to do more with the original.

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    The raw file is linked above (post #172.) Almost 10mb, zipping saved a bit.

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    If it were me, I'd just crop much of the blow-out left side and then figure out how to balance the other side in the crop.


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    I couldn't get it much better. I still like the shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostatic View Post
    If it were me, I'd just crop much of the blow-out left side and then figure out how to balance the other side in the crop.

    That was exactly the crop I just tried. Too bad there isn't more space on the left after the crop.

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    Yeah, I tried leaving a little more, but it was too hot. I also tried closer but it didn't feel balanced. I did keep the same aspect ratio...if it is ok to change that it can be a little more creative. But it is what it is. I do agree about the dog's expressions.


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    Monza, The dynamic range is just too great in this shot for the G1 (or most SLR's) to handle. There is a lot of color noise in the shot where there was underexposure and the chair fabric color is blown-out near the window. My solution was to blend two (one overexposed and one underexposed) together and then convert them to black and white. I also added some vignette.

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    Here it is in color. I think all of the toning down of the highlights made the fabric look off-color. That is why I converted to black and white.
    Last edited by Cindy Flood; 4th January 2009 at 21:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEBnewyork View Post
    Heading out to the coast line but from my walk to the Ferry Market for some goodies and bfast.....
    Nice one; roundabout art is obviously very in -- we have several strange ones here -- some specially designed so that when driving you can't see anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Bill, I agree with your post, just wondering what is possible to get the best out of this photo.
    Two minutes with Lightroom; a -4.0 graduated filter to the left hand side, and a +1.0 overall exposure increase gives this;



    as Cindy said, the range from hightlights to shadows is too great for the camera, and the PP doesn't reveal real details in the blown hightlights -- because there is no detail there; and I expect the shadows will become noisy with the PP exposure increase.

    I don't know what metering modes are available on the G1; it might be more appropriate here to use a spot or centre mode.
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    I like cindys version of the dogs in colour... it has a odd hand tinted antique look that seems to work
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    This is a few minutes with the local correction brush in ACR, don't know how I survived without it! I've also warmed it up a bit and added some local clarity to the dogs themselves.


    Personally now I would apply the original 4/3 crop back to the image..

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    Took these on the way home this morning, from the school run...

    Panasonic G1 + 4/3rds Adapter + ZD 14-35mm f2
    1/320s f/8.0 at 24.0mm iso100


    1/100s f/11.0 at 29.0mm iso100


    1/500s f/6.3 at 14.0mm iso100


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    Brian, those are excellent. When we have a bit of snow like that around here, the schools close down.



    Thanks everyone for the assist on these. I too like the antique look...

    I've since determined that I accidently had exposure compensation dialed in on the G1, accounting for the underexposure. This is actually too easy to do on the G1; I'll have to pay more attention to the display and histogram.

    Since I had the LCD closed, I wasn't aware of it til I brought the photos over to the Mac...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Took these on the way home this morning, from the school run...
    Brian, if this is your everyday home environment, I´m VERY envious...

    But then of course, a good photographer can make most places look great.

    I´ll have to comfort myself with a nice well-peated malt tonight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Brian, those are excellent. When we have a bit of snow like that around here, the schools close down.



    Thanks everyone for the assist on these. I too like the antique look...

    I've since determined that I accidently had exposure compensation dialed in on the G1, accounting for the underexposure. This is actually too easy to do on the G1; I'll have to pay more attention to the display and histogram.

    Since I had the LCD closed, I wasn't aware of it til I brought the photos over to the Mac...
    Monza, Watch the histogram. The dynamic range was just too much for the sensor. If you would have increased the exposure, then more of the left would have completely blown out. You would need to frame the shot so that you exclude the very bright highlights. The other solution to a high dynamic range scene is to bracket the exposures and blend the shots with software. That usually requires using a tripod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    The other solution to a high dynamic range scene is to bracket the exposures and blend the shots with software. That usually requires using a tripod.
    And lots of cooperation from the "models."

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    ...

    I've since determined that I accidently had exposure compensation dialed in on the G1, accounting for the underexposure. This is actually too easy to do on the G1....
    Indeed, it happens all the time with the G1! My "pet peeve"....

    It´s that pesky wheel that gets pressed all the time, then turned. In fact, tere is a remedy... but really not: The shifting between EI comp and aperture/shutter/program shift can be moved to the EVF/LCD button out of harm´s way; good idea!

    Only, they botched it. When selecting this custom function, the wheel press shift still stays on.....

    (Brian, you´ve heard me before on this subject on the Olympus group...).

    Let´s hope Panasonic will fix it in the next FW update....

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    Per, I got some feedback from Panasonic today... and a request for more ideas - I'll be sending your comments tomorrow + other suggestions from our review team.

    I've realized why I don't get the same problem - I hold the grip below the wheel with my middle two fingers, little finger curls around bottom of camera and index finger rests over shutter release button. I drop my index finger down to rotate the wheel.

    Cheers

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    Re: Fun with 4/3rds cameras/ Image Thread

    Brian, it looks mighty cold wherever you are.
    V/r John

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    Hi John, yes - should reach about -6deg C tonight. More snow forecast tomorrow evening

    Cheers

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    I hope I'm not making anyone jealous, but I was in the Florida Keys for the holidays. Shorts and flip flops! Here is a shot with the G1 and kit lens, iso 100, at 14mm. Enjoy

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    Brian,

    Amazing lens. Amazing shots. Amazing eye! Thanks for sharing.

    JKlotz...oh how I wish I were down by your neck of the woods. Thanks for sharing, too (and rubbing it in to us Northerners.)

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    Between the holidays, the weather and family responsibilities it's been tough for me to get out with my new G1 since it arrived last week, but I was able to get out for a few hours in some nice, clear weather the other day.

    Kit lens, 14mm, 1/160 sec, f/16, ISO 100 - converted from RAW in Silkypix, post-processed in PS - geese resting along the Hudson River near Schuylerville, New York


    Kit lens, 14mm, 1/500 sec, f/11, ISO 100 - converted from RAW in Silkypix, post-processed in PS - abandoned farm near Gansevoort, New York


    Kit lens, 14mm, 1/160 sec, f/11, ISO 100 - converted from RAW in Silkypix, post-processed in PS


    I'm waiting for delivery of the 45-200 - hopefully tomorrow - but then it's supposed to snow for the next day and a half. Hopefully we'll have a clear weekend.

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    Re: Fun with 4/3rds cameras/ Image Thread

    Very nice shots btrancho and happy to see another "upstater" in the forum.

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