Waiting for the Oly mFT Version....
Like the chassis more...
Waiting for the Oly mFT Version....
Like the chassis more...
Well, the big question is whether the Olympus offering will be the same as the tobacco tin mockup (I've read recently on dpreview that it may be completely different)... whether the Oly cam will include in-body stabilisation and an EVF?
If that's the case, then these long lenses will be even more fun to use!
As for the G1HD, I'm interested in how the extra horsepower (necessary for hidef video) may translate to improved IQ... if you have 60fps of data coming off the chip, and can apply some photoacute style processing you could see superresolution, HDR and noise free images coming off that 4/3rds sensor.
Just allow for the fact that, if you buy the G1, you may be looking to add the G1HD within the next few weeks
You think it is that close to release. You don't have to answer that if it is a conflict with Pano and info on release times. I know you are involved with some OEM's like I am with Phase and leica and have to be careful on what we say on future products
Panasonic does a big product release for the PMA show. Usually the announcements are late January with products hitting market March/April. The PMA show is a month later this year vs. 2008 (early march vs last days of Jan) but it seems announcements have been more consistent in timing than the show date.
Sat here this afternoon i thought i'd have a go at RAW PP. keep in mind i am a complete novice with both interchangeable lens camera's and now RAW having spent the last few years with PAS camera's.
Anyhow here is the pic i worked on, i wanted a warm feel to it as the last of the afternoon sun was streaming through the window but i also didn't want to over do it.
Ok, so C&C please, be completly honest please, dont care how hard it is.
Exif's all there.
That's not necessarily a bad thing for Olympus - they can be early followers and profit hugely... let Panasonic take the risk and fine tune their own offering based on the feedback.
Speaking as an enthusiastic user with no commercial gains to be had from any brand of camera gear (and obviously no "connections" or "insider information" and the like), let me say that the m4/3rds also is an Olympus creation.
I will write more on it when I find a suitable format to put that in.
Vivek, I hope you're not offended by our guesswork (and that is all it is) - I agree that m4/3rds is a co-creation... but Panasonic seem to be spearheading the products.
My goodness, no, Brian!
I am sorry if that post came across to strong, harsh and with any sorts of negative connotations!
Such a civil forum--and that's not said with my tongue in cheek.
I can go back and dig up the interviews at the launch time. At launch, Panny had a camera ready to go (it was in the hands of reviewers for Previews). They had lenses ready and a lens line-up and time table. They had the EVF sorted out for still photography, and announced they were working on video.
In addition if you read some of previews, like at DPReview, they had been speaking to Panny about the concept and what they were working on for a while.
I will contrast that with Oly who had zero to show and talk about at the launch. They came up with a non working prototype and no time table at Photokina, haven't discussed anything about an EVF, still have said nothing about a lens lineup. etc.
When you look at the diagrams of the register difference etc. Everything being shown is Panasonic.
So, can I say with absolute certainty that Oly didn't dream it up and are really the leaders here, no but all evidence I have seen leads me to my conclusion.
If you come up with other info, I can be convinced that Oly is the leader.
sorry... i meant to say G1...
but with all the semi orgasmic praise for our new found friend at Panasonic... lets just remind ourselves that some of us are still out shooting with good old traditional Olympus four thirds :-)
a couple from the last couple of days
first a walkpast snapshot from the 9-18 late at night i Paris... really nice lens.. if a tad slow aperturewise
then one from today with an old Sigmatel 135/1.8
all just for fun
As this is the fun with 4/3rd's pic thread i thought i'd have some fun with my wife's chocolate.
G1 14-45 kit lens, pp with topaz adapt filter in CS3.
I think we can identify the chocolate thief by those fingerprints. Did you have to touch every piece?
Mark, I really like that.
Terry, I will not dispute what you list. However, it still is like saying that Cosina dictate everything to do with 35mm RF gear because they have cameras and lenses that are current. By the same token, Epson should have been the undisputed "leaders" of a digital range finder as well.
BTW, that Lincoln memorial concert is beamed here live. Can't miss the biggest show on TV for this year.
how could you ever steal choco from the kids...?
Nasty, nasty, nasty....
A few mall shots taken with the 25 lux/G1. All ISO 100, f/1.4 to f/1.8.
Carl, Those are dazzling colors! The lux does well!
Here is one of my snaps.
Panasonic G1, Angenieux 25/0.95, ISO800
another at ISO200 (the lens is quite long and does catch the attention of people).
A few close-ups from today: g1 + apo-macro-elmarit-r [all iso320]
What is your set up with the Macro lens? Is this the 90? How close can you focus. I'm assuming the macro adapter is a problem?
Guess what? I would have removed the chip from the kit zoom, implanted it in the cam to fool it permanently that the kit zoom is attached to it.
Nikon should be thanked for teaching all of us as to how to undo their intended sabotage.
guys and gals
can we get back to 'fun with 4/3' aspect of this thread and get away from pointless arguments about who is leading micro 4/3.
Please realise that Panasonic are not building their business plan on the niche market of people who want to attach expensive/obscure lenses to their g1. They are going after a much bigger if less knowledgeable market.
sure they have been kind enough to allow the facility to add older lenses... but that is not their focus if you excuse the pun
I love seeing the photos you take with your G1's... lets take the other discussions elsewhere
love and peace
Generous. Right. That is exactly what Nikon probably think about their higher priced cams.sure they have been kind enough to allow the facility to add older lenses... but that is not their focus if you excuse the pun
Kevin, will you please create a new thread with your post - I have a reply, but I want to follow your suggestion for this thread, so I'll reserve my reply for the other thread.
There are some stunning shots on this thread, love the VW and phone covers as well as the nice young girl ( B/W ) on the bus.
Vivek, the Angenieux is covering nearly all the sensor or is that cropped?
No crops, Monza. It covers nearly the whole frame (very little in the corners are dark). It is perhaps one of the sharpest/finest lenses I have ever had a chance to use (this I say after only 3 days with it and I have had over ..oh.. I lost count of the numbers of lenses...).
The girl in the tram, the lighting was like that.
2 with the zeiss ikon 21/4.5
Thanks, Carl. It (the lens) is a big burden. Too darned good for me. I try.
Carl, In response to your post (when I absconded) on the 25mm lens question (in this thread), I will talk about it later. It is a manual focus lens.
Knorp, LOVE the blue nylon line shot. WOW. The others are equally stunning.
Regarding the discussion about Olympus vs Panasonic and who has the lead, I sorta agree with Terry.
Olympus may have been a principal architect/founding partner of the 4/3s format and that despite the 'mockup' that was revealed at last years Photokina, judging by their prodigious output of incredible optics and hardware they've created for their rather full line of DSLRs, I'd say that's where their primary focus is in terms of time, energy, commitment and R&D. And may continue to be for the foreseable future. And not MFT.
For their part in the 4/3s movement, Panasonic seems to have only token offerings for the 4/3s system (IMHO). So far, just the L1 and the L10 and four Leitz lenses (before Leitz split) and the rest from Olympus. Neither of which, while competent, appear to be roaring successes for them. (True the G1 is also "one" camera too with just two lenses at the moment, but judging by the reaction of the press and people here along with the possibilities of how flexible the concept appears to be vis a vis other optics you can use, I'd bet dollars to donuts that Panasonic must feel they're finally onto something and may want to develop it to the full extent they are capable. Own the format so to speak.)
So it seems to me the MFT format may have presented Panasonic an opportunity to create, for the first time, a real niche of their own. Yeah their research indicated a growing dissatisfaction with weighty DSLRs (even though Olympus has the smallest, true DSLR available for the moment) and that the idea of a smaller camera of some sort with interchangeable lenses may be welcome. But with the possibilities of MFT as an impetus, they had some impressive resources to draw upon to create something truly unique: their HDTV division who had developed highly evolved EVF's (and perhaps even with contrast detection AF) coupled no doubt with their dogged pursuit to develop a respectable processing engine which until now all previous editions had taken quite a beating in the review press for the intolerable noise levels at higher ISOs. And as many on this forum can attest from the images we're seeing, with this Venus HD, they may be finally hitting their stride in that department as well. (The Venus engine powering LX3/DLUX4 was the first indication something good had been achieved. And while noise on the G1 above 800 is still unacceptable for some, under 400 it appears to be a real champ.) So the time was right.
Seeing what they came up with and how quickly they produced a 'full' system I think they may have the lead in this regard. WIth Olympus taking more of a wait and see attitude before investing any more in R&D considering all they've invested already in their own 4/3s system. (Perhaps re-designing and producing some of their super optics in the MFT.)
Of course, I could be dead wrong. But that's my take on it. So we'll have to see.
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Life is an infinite series of moments called..."now".
My job is to capture them.
So many nice photos here.
Kevin, love the noodle crowd!