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Check Akira Sakamoto's post (towards the end) here:
http://photo.net/olympus-camera-forum/00S5eh
Sobering thoughts!
http://photo.net/olympus-camera-forum/00S5eh
Sobering thoughts!
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Jorgen, Those are edible as well! They double as a snack!:ROTFL::ROTFL:Vivek,
Apart from paint and logos (and yes, I would like to get rid of a few too, (like the Finepix logo on my S3), the orange "twopod" you use to support your D40 is just priceless :thumbup:
Another one of your inventions?
Interesting VivekCheck Akira Sakamoto's post (towards the end) here:
http://photo.net/olympus-camera-forum/00S5eh
Sobering thoughts!
Jono, I thought the linear DNG was temporary and a permanent solution with regular sized DNGs was under development. I will try and dig up where I read this but I think some of the information is in the two links I posted for Vivek above. I know for Adobe products it was solved so you don't get the massive files when using Lightroom but it also corrects the lenses and CA.Interesting Vivek
I don't think it's right though . . . or not entirely.
My biggest worry with the G1 (and my Dlux4 as well) is this issue of automatic lens correction - the information for which is in the RAW files.
You can convert RAW files for these cameras to DNG using ADobe DNG converter . . . but only to 'linear' files, which are already processed and cannot be read in other converters (Aperture for instance) which do accept DNG conversions.
However - if the RAW file does not contain any lens correction information, then you can convert to normal DNG files and process in other software.
To get to my point:
G1 files can be converted to ordinary DNG files for everything except the kit lenses - that even includes the Olympus 9-18 lens, which does autofocus on the G1. Of course, it also includes any other 4:3 lenses from Olympus (don't have any panasonic ones), and anything else you stick on (m mount etc).
Whether this will change in the future remains to be seen, but at present, it seems that if you are using an adaptor - then it isn't putting lens information in the RAW file (whether or not it's using it in the jpg).
To be honest, this 'lens correction' is my biggest worry with these cameras, I think it means that you'll only really be able to process them properly with their own converters, and that seems to be quite a step backwards.
Wow, Jono - that's a great find! I will give this a go, as I rarely use the 14-45, so this could be great for me.However - if the RAW file does not contain any lens correction information, then you can convert to normal DNG files and process in other software.
No - Aperture will read ALL standard DNG files, and if it understands the camera, then it will apply what it understands . .. For instance, it does understand the M8 and it does understand your Canon 20D - and will apply camera specific information, and it doesn't understand your GX 200, but will do a standard (and very good) DNG conversion.Jono,
I'm confused by the whole RAW/dng/Aperture business, and probably misunderstand your comments. I hope you can help me.
I have a GX200. It shoots DNG natively. Aperture opens them just fine.
I used to have a Canon 20D. It shoots Raw. Aperture opens these raw files. Or, I can convert the Raw to DNG using Adobe Camera Raw, and then import the DNG to Aperture which reads those DNGs. (The results of these operations are identical so far as I can tell).
I traded the Canon 20D for a G1 with (so far) the kit lens. Aperture will not (yet) read the Raw files that the camera writes.
But I _can_ open the G1 Raw files using Adobe Camera RAW (I use the plugin for CS4). That works. I can then save the RAW as a DNG. But when I try to open _that_ DNG in Aperture, it doesn't work. I get an "unsupported file format" error. As I understood it, Aperture won't read DNGs from cameras it doesn't know about, and it doesn't know about the G1 (yet).
Yes, that's exactly right - but it's important to understand why, it's really nothing to do with Aperture, but everything to do with Adobe . . . and Panasonic.Did you mean to say that Aperture _can_ read DNGs made (via Adobe Camera Raw) from G1 files so long as they don't use the kit lens?
That old lenses using adapters will make RAW files that can be converted to DNGs that Aperture will be able to read?
Hi JohnJono, if i understand you correctly, the alternative way would be for the camera to do the processing before it wrote its RAW file. I am guessing that this is what the M8 must do since with coded wide lenses it processes for cyan shift and vignetting in the corners. In a way, I think I prefer the idea that it writes the correction information into the RAW file. The issue is with the Adobe converter. It can and should be made so you have the option to use the information in conversion to DNG or not as you chose. I think I read that Adobe will make this optional in the next version of the RAW converter plug-in.