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    Fun with Lumix GM5

    Yup, got one yesterday. Stopped myself from going Sony RX1RMKII (nothing wrong with it, it's fantastic but not for what I shoot/way I shoot). All cameras are now good.

    the Lumix GM5 is the camera I should have bought a year ago. It's a Pentax Q Turbo Charged (speed) with a M43rds sensor.

    A couple of shots to start, more comments later. I am surprised how well the AF system works. If find it actually better than the OMD EM5 MKII's.





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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    These and our PMs have made me realise that I should have checked out the GM5 before buying the RX100 m4 (which I love) - especially for rapid, compact Street shooting with the 17mm f1.8.

    However, for my typical subject matter, the RX100 m4's compactness combined with high res and great DR at base ISO combined with the full frame + awesome lens on the RX1 have compensated for the slow focusing.

    Enjoy! It looks like you've found an awesome Street shooting tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    These and our PMs have made me realise that I should have checked out the GM5 before buying the RX100 m4 (which I love) - especially for rapid, compact Street shooting with the 17mm f1.8.

    However, for my typical subject matter, the RX100 m4's compactness combined with high res and great DR at base ISO combined with the full frame + awesome lens on the RX1 have compensated for the slow focusing.

    Enjoy! It looks like you've found an awesome Street shooting tool.

    Cheers

    Brian
    The RX100MKIV is pretty great. I have some shots to post still with it. All cameras are great now. For me it was about speed and the focal lengths. If I was into video, I would keep the RX100 MKIV for the 4K. I think you are doing fine with the landscapes shots you are doing with it.

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    I bought a GM1 (identical in most respects to the GM5) prior to buying the Sony RX1R II. The only thing that is almost identical between the GM1/GM5 and the RX1R II is the battery life.

    The shutter on the RX1R II is quieter. The low light performance (AF, IQ, noise, etc) is without match as is the boket via a 35mm (17mm) lens.

    I read that the output from GM1/5 is 12bit and that drops to 10 while using adapted lenses and/or the silent shutter.

    Despite all this, I would have bought a GM5 if it only had a tilt/swivel LCD. The fixed LCD was a deal breaker (not interested in the GX7/8 due to size). Perhaps the GM7 would offer it together with a better shutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I bought a GM1 (identical in most respects to the GM5) prior to buying the Sony RX1R II. The only thing that is almost identical between the GM1/GM5 and the RX1R II is the battery life.

    The shutter on the RX1R II is quieter. The low light performance (AF, IQ, noise, etc) is without match as is the boket via a 35mm (17mm) lens.

    I read that the output from GM1/5 is 12bit and that drops to 10 while using adapted lenses and/or the silent shutter.
    Apparently so, yes. Fortunately at night the GM5 shutter is very quiet (from what I see quite than the GM1's I remember), and I am pretty covered in speeds from 1sec to 1/500. I am normally shooting at 1/50, 1/30, 1/125-1/250 depending on subject & lens, so I don't have to deal with that.

    In daylight the drops affects it much less because you are shooting at a lower ISO unless you are in a very high contrast scene I suppose, but so far haven't bumped into particular issues.

    Despite all this, I would have bought a GM5 if it only had a tilt/swivel LCD. The fixed LCD was a deal breaker (not interested in the GX7/8 due to size). Perhaps the GM7 would offer it together with a better shutter.
    I am expecting about the same shutter with the GM7, but I am also expecting the new GX8 sensor with slightly better chroma noise and color sensitivity.

    From the Autofocus I have seen, I am willing to bet the GM5 focuses faster still than the R1XRMKII. The AF of the GM5 is crazy good- pretty surprising when I see it focusing the Olympus 75mm F1.8 prime in CDAF and better than the OMD EM5 MKII itself.

    The RX1RII can't use faster lenses, some of those close some of the big gap between the two at night. My main issue is simply I am not a 35mm shooter and if I have to crop constantly at that point using a proper lens on M43rds would match in many situations for the most part or come closer.

    Also the fact the GM5 is still smaller and I can put it in a pocket with its kit lens or even some of the other primes... can't do that with the RX1RII. To me that's a huge diff too.

    Not to say the RX1RII is bad, it's pretty phenomenal obviously. But the GM5 is the Pentax Q I wanted. And to my surprise, turbo charged.
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Ricardo, enjoy your cam! It sure is fabulous.
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Does the GM5 have peaking for manual focusing?

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    Yep high and low sensitivity setting. Seems to work well - I can't compare as I have not used any other camera with focus peaking.
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    Not to say the RX1RII is bad, it's pretty phenomenal obviously. But the GM5 is the Pentax Q I wanted. And to my surprise, turbo charged.
    RX1R2 is in a completely different cost bracket - while I appreciate a technical discussion on specific features I don't think it makes sense to compare a GM5 to a RX1RII at 7x the cost. Ferrari vs. Fiat, anyone?

    Reminds me... my first car was a 1970 Fiat 124 Sport. Obviously I was then very interested in Fiat's sports cars of the late 60's - early 70's. The holy grail in those terms was the Fiat Dino, which was powered by a true 60-degree Ferrari V6 from the Ferrari Dino. The back story was that Ferrari could not produce and sell enough of the Dino model to get it homologated for competition, so the Fiat Dino was created to get the powertrain through homologation. So maybe sometimes it does make sense to compare a Fiat to a Ferrari.
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    There are no Ferraris here and it is all Fiat and it is fabulous for the price.
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    No Punto though, okay?
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    No Punto though, okay?
    The GM5 must be the equivalent of the 128 3P I once had. I ordered one today btw., a GM5, not a 3P. I wouldn't mind another 3P though. One of the most enjoyable cars I've owned

    ... and I still dream about the Dino Spider. Unfortunately, they are getting more expensive every year

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    There is hope - new 124 Spider on the way. It's essentially a Miata, with an Italian power train. Hopefully there will be an insane Abarth version.
    Oops, got distracted from topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars View Post
    There is hope - new 124 Spider on the way. It's essentially a Miata, with an Italian power train. Hopefully there will be an insane Abarth version.
    Oops, got distracted from topic.
    Unfortunately, Fiat is not available here, except for the 500, that sells for insane prices. The distributor wanted to get rid of Fiat's "family car image", so doubled or tripled the prices. MX-5 is here, and the GM5 of course. I ordered the latter, since it's much cheaper
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    Come to think of it - if we were to play "if my camera were a car" I would peg the GM5 as a MX-5 Miata.
    I'd rather not think of having an Italian camera. Lunar anyone?
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Post some pics please. Especially from the compact 35-100 zoom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lars View Post

    Come to think of it - if we were to play "if my camera were a car" I would peg the GM5 as a MX-5 Miata.
    I'd rather not think of having an Italian camera. Lunar anyone?
    Careful with what you say. This camera, the most beautiful SLR ever, was designed by Italdesign/Giugiaro, as were all of Nikon's top models since the F3:



    I do prefer a GM5 over a Lunar though
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Post some pics please. Especially from the compact 35-100 zoom.
    Sure thing - will do in the morning with some daylight for longer distance shots. Night-time here now.
    Any specific aspect you are interested in?
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Anything that you shoot would be fine.

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    No Punto though, okay?
    I think to some extent it can be discussed. You can compare usability and other ergonomics. Sure, the price has to be kept in perspective, but if a particular high priced tool does something for a particular medium other than the expected "bigger sensor/ better IQ" which should not be surprising, I think it can make for some interesting points.

    I think (within financial reason) paying the higher price for a tool that does what you want is better than save money on one that is a compromise. In this case for me though, the GM5 is not the compromise- that's mainly due to my desire for both small and non 35mm focals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Post some pics please. Especially from the compact 35-100 zoom.
    I think I posted some already, but I will post more. The photos of the guy above (color & B&W) are with that lens.

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    Yep high and low sensitivity setting. Seems to work well - I can't compare as I have not used any other camera with focus peaking.
    To add to this:

    The GM5 has a special mode that forces the LCD to B&W, so the focus peaking is still in color and stands out better. I was surprised Panasonic thought about this.

    I find the manual focus works pretty good. Compared to say the OMD5 MKII- the OMD overall to me is nicier for keeping the LCD at a higher refresh and the IBIS "calms down" the EVF, but the GM5's is still pretty good.

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Alright - a few snapshots with the 35-100/4-5.6. We got quite a downpour today (keep it coming please) so these are just shots from my patio:

    About 3 meters @ 35 mm, wide open:


    ...and at 100 mm, wide open:


    A little closer, 35 mm wide open:


    ...and at 100 mm:


    Finally, at minimum focusing distance. 35 mm:


    ...and 100 mm:


    Being a f/4-5.6 lens on a small sensor you don't get a whole lot of subject isolation. If your subject is 5-10 meters away you can pretty much expect the horizon to almost be in focus. So it's not ideal for sports and action. That said, I think it renders OOF areas quite nicely for close-ups and portraits. This lens obviously is far from a macro lens - minimum focusing distance is not so impressive. However, with a 10 mm extension ring it works quite well especially at the long end where you at least get some distance to the focal plane. IS really helps for handheld macro, of course.
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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    35-100 (@35)



    ISO 8000, F1.4, 1/60 sec



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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post

    ISO 8000, F1.4, 1/60 sec



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    For ISO 8000 that's pretty neat ...
    Nice doggy too ...

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    With Panasonic small-for GM line 35-100 lens.



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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    35-100 (@35)



    ISO 8000, F1.4, 1/60 sec



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    Ricardo, the dog photo is with the 25/1.4 and not with a 35-100, right?
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    I have a GM1, and find the image quality excellent for such a small camera….P&S size with interchangeable lenses.

    Image taken with 50 Summicron Ver4 via adapter, also easy to focus as well.
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    Ricardo, the dog photo is with the 25/1.4 and not with a 35-100, right?
    Yup, correct. I marked the text above the dog as F1.4, but it's 25mm/F1.4 :-)

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    Judged by you. This is a crop on the 35-100 F4.0-F5.6, so it kinda shows the sharpness of it.



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    HeyYou...



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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post



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    I like it, great catch, good colors and composition and an expressive guy in an interesting scene
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    Portrait of a film photographer / friend today for brunch.



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    Shot at a birthday party. RJ Mical's personality goes beyond the frame quite literally.



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    Structure



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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    All combos must be tried. This one was a little front heavy

    GM5 with Zuiko 40-150mm f/2.8 @ 150mm, f/2.8, 1/100s and ISO 6400

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    More front heavy stuff

    GM5 with Zuiko 40-150mm f/2.8 @ 135mm, f/2.8, 1/80s and ISO 6400

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    Love my GM1, the best quality P&S sized camera I've come across with interchangeable lens….the skies the limit.

    It's smaller than a GM5 with all the same image quality. You can grab images anywhere…….no one notices
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seascape View Post
    Love my GM1, the best quality P&S sized camera I've come across with interchangeable lens….the skies the limit.

    It's smaller than a GM5 with all the same image quality. You can grab images anywhere…….no one notices
    I would have loved the GM1, but that dial-wheel in the back is completely usability killer for me. I can't believe Panasonic made the world's worst "Canon powershot wheel" though I normally hate these things anyway. ;-) To me that alone is a reason to get the GM5.

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    Back from Norway where I didn't have time to take many photos, I found a lens waiting for me at the reception, the Panasonic 25mm f/1.7. It costs nothing and is mostly made from plastic, but seems well put together, and most important of all: It's a great lens for the GM5.

    Here's an early test with my usual "brick wall suspects", sitting on the kitchen bench, their usual hangout. I'll use this combo a lot.

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    Re: Fun with Lumix GM5

    This is my camera

    GM5 with Panasonic 25mm f/1.7 @ f/1.7

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