at a guess i would reckon that the GF 1 will not have in body stabilisation and I doubt that sensor capabilities will be anything other than mildly incremental if that
I am old and cynical... manufacturers make what fits the market... not what the market wants. With the GF-1 they are only trying to get the same slice of the pie as the EP-1
the G1 was a foot in the water... the GH-1 was what they were really wanting to build... they announced it within weeks of the G1.
I am sure the GF1 will be a fine camera.. but it won't be a major leap forward from the EP-1 performancewise.
still i may be wrong
Why does every new camera need to be "a major leap forward"?
Once upon a time, a camera model was introduced and over a decade or three (I'm exaggerating for effect... ;-) small improvements were made to it over and over and over again. By the middle of the product lifespan, it was very well refined and a delight to use, utterly reliable and consistent in its quality. Look at the Leica M, the Nikon FM, the Rolleiflex, the Nikon F3, the Hasselblad 500, the Minox subminiature. All cameras that had very long production histories that got better with every iteration, subtle and small though they might be.
If we buyers of photographic equipment want a*revolutionary new breakthrough with every new model release, we will never again see the kind of subtle, sustained development and refinement that brought these brilliant cameras of the past to legendary status.
I see the GF1 as an incremental development of the G1 concept, exploiting the micro-FourThirds concept with a smaller form factor with subtly different ergonomic and use options. Yes, it's competition for the E-P1 ... but this is 'a bad thing'? Why? Competition is supposed to improve the breed, not kill it.
I look forward to seeing the GF1. It is actually closer to the camera that I envisaged in 2003 than the G1 and could well appeal to me even more. But if it doesn't, I'm really quite happy with my G1, and L1, and E-1 that I own already.
Can someone point me to a list of words I'm not allowed to use?
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Be careful, the G1 is very sensitive.
Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: You know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.
Lumix G1: What hump?
godfrey... I'm with you....just to be clear... I was downplaying any potential leap forward with the GF-1 as implied by sinwen.
the best camera today is the one you have in your hand when the shot occurs.
Just discovered yesterday my next door neighbour takes great pictures with disposable cameras and a short stepladder :-)
Now to figure out which adapter to get (leaning toward the FD one...).
This statement carries no suggestion that that was what you intended. It is a declarative stating that your use of the term seemed like a disparagement of the G1's design, even if you didn't intend it, because others have used the term quite a lot with that intent.... 'Faux pentprism' is a label used by many who seek to disparage the G1's design.
It's just a little plastic cheese-whiz toy camera according to another notable on another forum. So much angst over a camera!
To coin a famous hardware manufacturer's catch phrase this is the camera with the "Intel Inside"; looking plasticky and toy like on the outside is an advantage here.
Thing is that Panny specifically stated that they were going after a 'traditional' look with the G1 to bring in the buyers, no doubt in Japan. Calling it a pentaprism housing is perhaps innaccuate but exactly what it was designed to look like.
I am not a painter, nor an artist. Therefore I can see straight, and that may be my undoing. - Alfred Stieglitz
But do you not agree that there is a difference between the inaccurate but understandable reference as a "pentaprism housing" and the liable-to-be-misinterpreted and implicative term "faux pentaprism housing"?
I was a creative writing student for some years. The actual words used are significant to me. ;-)
GF-1 looks good, but I would prefer Ep-1 with panasonic EFV (or should I say Ep-2)
You are invited to .......
I saw this over on DPR and posted here, so I don't know where the source picture is from. I guess unvealing could be somewhat revealing.... no?
Last edited by slosync; 11th August 2009 at 13:22. Reason: Add Disclaimer....
Other than the MAJOR typo on unvealing it looks promising!
I'm glad they are getting the veal out of it.
Quote - Bob Dylan, Airport Press Conference (early sixties)
Reporter: “Would you say you cared about people particularly?”
Dylan: “Well, yeah, but you know ... I mean, we all have our definitions of all those words ... ‘care’ and ‘people.’ “
Reporter: “Well, but surely we know what people are.”
Dylan: “Do we?”
I was stoked about this camera until I saw there's no film mode button.
Hopefully the slot under the hotshoe will allow you to attach a film mode controller.
I believe the consensus is that the slot below the hot shoe is for a plugin EVF. At least that's my vote. I'm sure the film mode would be available as a menu option, or you can always shoot raw and change the image in appropriate software....
I'm actually astonished that people use the film mode at all. But then, I am only interested in RAW capture, I have never touched the Film Mode button on my G1 ... intentionally, that is. It kinda gets in the way.I'm sure the film mode would be available as a menu option, or you can always shoot raw and change the image in appropriate software....
Today the sometimes incomprehensible but interesting FourThirds Rumors blog has some Japan-sourced GF1 pictures which they concede are probably fake, plus some speculative price data which struck me as interesting:
Kit with pancake lens (presumably 20/1.7?) US$1,060.00
Same including EVF: US$1,254.00
Kit with macro lens (45/2.8?): US$1,166.00
Same including EVF: US$1,359.00
Body only: US$847.83
EVF only: US$584.34
****[this makes no sense compared to EVF/non-EVF kit prices, which are less than $200 apart]
Pancake lens only: (20/1.7?) US$316.00
****[Line forms behind me...]
Macro lens only: US$640
The discounts on the kits vs. individual items seem odd, especially the EVF (separate body + pancake + EVF almost 40% more than the kit price?!?) Or (more likely) these numbers are completely boogie-shoogie...
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I looked at those prices they do seem odd. That being said, personally, I find that site pretty lame.
The source that 43 rumors uses, the livedoor blog, is some of the worst sources of photoshopped fakes I've ever seen. Some of the "news" on 43 rumors is accurate, but now the E-P1 is out, it seems to have degraded into a really low gossip site. Probably because, hey, there just isn't enough "news" to have even a weekly post.
Also, if they'd be able to read some Japanese, they'd notice the site doesn't "claim to know the prices of the GF1, external EVF and lenses". The 6 kanji before the price list say something like: "wild price guesses".
The 'major leap forward' is just marketing twaddle - you're not falling for that are you Godfrey? there are very rarely any 'major leaps forward' - e.g. the LX2 was a small step backward imho, from the LX1 - some people saw the E-3 as a step backward from the E-1 in many respects!
It probably makes a lot of sense to surf the lagging edge - in terms of finding great value for money and proven cameras that work well, with the firmware fixes out of the way.
The E-P1 was an inspired, coherent design which took the initial interest gained by the functionally excellent G1, and magnified it by making it beautiful - losing the faux DSLR hump and grip, making a good approximation to a digital PEN.
The GF1 is not a better G1 - it's an E-P1alike with fast CDAF and styled similarly to the LX3 (Perhaps Panasonic should have called it the GX1)...
I wonder now, whether there will ever be a G2? the GH1 seems like a more logical line to follow for those of us who want a camera which is coherently designed to include an EVF - and you get the excellent articulating screen included!
Of course, we haven't seen the EVF leaked for the GF1 - it could be extraordinary in some way...
I, for one, am looking forward to a G2.
I never liked this incremental piecemeal offerings to please different customer segments based on market research that camera companies do.
Any improvement in AF speed is likely unnoticeable and insignificant. I do not like the way the AF is implemented and the AF lenses operate. Lack of a real aperture control (manual) and a real focus (scale) do nothing to make them appealing or useful for me.
I just hope they (Oly/Pana, etc) would release black painted plastic versions (saves me the trouble of of using marker pens on them) in addition to any other ridiculous colors they want.
Ah, in that case... where's our firmware update to improve MF assist functionality? Other than that, the G1 is perfect!
Oh, I have list for the "G2".
The white paint on the flimsy buttons on the rear of my first G1 is now gone while LUMIX (engraved and painted BRIGHT white) would have stayed clear and bright had I not rubbed it off with a black marker.
The golden L square (what purpose it serves I have no clue. ) can go in terms of cost cutting and to improve the ergonomics.
The handgrip is cracked. I epoxied it and plastered it so, it is OK.
A better paint job on the bodice would be greatly appreciated.
Noise levels have to go down. High ISO image quality (noise and DR) could use an improvement.
Though I bought my first G1 within days of it appearing, I never filled out the warranty (2 year one since I bought it in Germany) and I never needed to.
Now, that is reliability and quality. Keep it up Pana!
We had a long discussion thread about this months ago, shortly after we first got the G1... Panasonic got the message then, but haven't responded - maybe they've put a better solution into the GF1 to entice us to 'upgrade'
pull in and hold the front dial, then rotate one click to activate zoom
it would be nice if we could move the zoom area around with the dial too ... muchos faster ... I liked the way I could do that on my 10D's rear dial
people are discovering 'gestures' on input devices ...
I would like a one-button press for manual focus assist, but I can see the dilemna for companies if they change the way the buttons work after the introduction. The manual would no longer be correct, but then again, who reads the manual?
I guess that's one way to keep the ink from wearing off the buttons... but isn't it a bit of a nuisance having to unlace it every time you want to change memory cards?
Price rumors ... rumors, rumors, rumors ... wait for September 1st
Panasonic GF1 prices:
Kit pancake 1,060 USD - EVF Set 1,254 USD
Macro Kit 1,166 USD - EVF Set 1,359 USD
Single body 847 USD
EVF single 316 USD
pancake lens / macro lens 640 USD
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I would love to see...
** One press MF
** AF support for more of the Oly 4/3 lenses..... (like the Pen EP1)
** Less blackout time during rapid shooting (more DSLR like)
I know it's a little premature to discuss firmware upgrades for the GF1, but I would like those items above included.
Otherwise I'm destined to fuss over the need keep a OVF in my camera bag. Dang!! Of course there's always the option to become a better photographer and learn to anticipate those "kodak moments".