losing the love?

[ddk]

David,
I do like shooting the Pen like a compact but there are times when I really would like an EVF and hold it eye level. With a pancake lens this could a very slimline which is a form factor that I do like. If the GF1 has a removable EVF it can be used both ways. I agree, with the viewfinder it won't be that much different than the G1/GH1.

I will have a 2 body m4/3 system. I only have the GH1 because of a fluke in timing as I wasn't expecting it until September after a GF1 announcement. After the announcement I figured I would have time to cancel the GH1 order if the GF1 was compelling. But I must say that I did want the 14-140 lens and getting the kit is really the only way to get it in the US right now.

So for now I have too much gear but I will sort it all out and sell some bits off in the coming weeks.

Did your GH1 arrive?

Nah, how can you ever have too much gear . I'm supposed to be getting mine next week, unfortunately at the same time as the GRD, so one has to sit around for a while until I get finished testing the other one.

 

[Lupo]

The worst thing about my E-P1 is its bulky housing.

With pancake it is ok, a little too hard perhaps. But it is a larger lens, it makes no fun anymore.

I have to wear them with a belt or pocket. Where the advantage is to G1? :wtf:


OK, with a small standard lens makes them pretty good!

 

[Paratom]

For my taste the GH1 is the most interesting.
First of all I feel for such a camera a lens with a nice range (like the 14-140) makes totally sense.
The flippable display, the EFV, the faster AF, the flash, are all pluses compared to the E-P1. Plus I prefer the ruberized finish/grip.
Another advantage is that the GH1 IS works for Video but the E-P1 only has electronic IS when shooting video (is this correct?)
Main advantages of the E-P1 are size and style and maybe price. But than the E-P1 isnt really small/or a pocket camera either.

But I have to agree that its still a in between camera.
For me a SLR or good optical viewfinder is much prefered to any EVF.
And if we talk about a "small" camera for me it could be max. as big as a Sigma dp1/dp2.
Now if you see it as a cobined photo&video-camera the GH1 is great. If one wanted to just have a midsized camera for photo I wonder if a 4/3 SLR Oly 420/520 wouldnt be the better choice.

 

[pellicle]

Hi

I have to admit, I'm pondering selling the E-P1. ...
*sigh* I would rhetorically ask, "am I nuts?"

sometimes one has to jump in and see ... it often is the only way. If you sell it for a $200 loss (which I doubt knowing eBay) then its been cheaper than rental ... right?

but if you then buy another because you miss it ... well then I'll laugh and say your nuts

:ROTFL:

what lens are you using on it? Perhaps fix on something really snug like the D-LUX has and see if that makes it better? I still like my Olympus trip 35 even though it doesn't have a zoom (although my main reason is for when I'm on multi day ski outings in -10 or less. My beard and my batteries may freeze, but my Oly keeps taking pictures ...


although this was taken with my 10D before the last of 3 batteries died after just 20 images and cycling in my pockets

 

[Brian Mosley]

I have to admit, I'm pondering selling the E-P1. I have this odd relationship going on with it. I bought it specifically because it was a "middle ground" between the DLux4 and Pentax. But I find myself frustrated because it isn't as portable as the DLux4, and doesn't give me the files I can get out of the K20d.

Hi nostatic,

IQ wise, do you feel limited by the sensor of the E-P1, or is it the lenses you're using? What raw converter do you use? do you have examples of images from your K20d which exceed the IQ of the E-P1?

There's the next crop of P&S cameras coming through to consider - the Canon S90 could give you more IQ in the DLux4 size... I think the E-P1 form factor will remain for a while - the GF1 is almost identical in size.

Cheers

Brian

 

[Diane B]

Hi nostatic,

.. I think the E-P1 form factor will remain for a while - the GF1 is almost identical in size.

Brian

I like the form factor also. I was very torn about not buying the E-P1 when I tried it, but knew that I had had issues with shooting with only an LCD with the G9-which is what lead me originally to the G1. I'm on a wait and see basis now but think the GF1 or something similar would be a very nice second m4/3rds for me because I could go either way--BUT---those who like the 14-140 (and I hadn't thought I would) make me wonder about notj just going with the GH!. Too many decisions LOL--I'm going to have to let it all settle out this Fall before deciding.

Diane

 

[nostatic]

Hi nostatic,

IQ wise, do you feel limited by the sensor of the E-P1, or is it the lenses you're using? What raw converter do you use? do you have examples of images from your K20d which exceed the IQ of the E-P1?

There's the next crop of P&S cameras coming through to consider - the Canon S90 could give you more IQ in the DLux4 size... I think the E-P1 form factor will remain for a while - the GF1 is almost identical in size.

Cheers

Brian

Hi Brian,

Well, I have the kit zoom (very sharp but slow) and the 17/2.8 (less sharp, faster but still slow). I do a lot of low light shots (eg the ones posted at the top though my g/f took them) and there is a pretty big difference in "quality" between the E-P1/14-42 and K20d/43/1.9. I would expect there to be, and in many cases I can not only live with it, but I sometimes prefer the grain that the Oly gives. I generally despise zooms, but frankly the kit zoom is incredibly sharp and contrasty.

I tried using RawDeveloper last night to compare to an in-camer jpg. Aperture doesn't yet support the Oly. I was a little surprised to see that the in-camera jpg was about as good as what I was seeing for the default E-P1 profile in RD.

So the reality is can't really fault the quality of the images. I would like faster glass, a little snappier AF (my DLux4 beats it), and to be able to train my mind to not bring the camera to my eye to frame. It is weird because I never do it with the DLux4. It must be something about a size/weight threshold and force of habit.

The other thing is it may just be the usual, "I wanna try something different." I do with there was a small AF lens that was f1.8...