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    Leica R8, 90mm Elmarit, Ilford Delta 100, Canon FS2710. Abandoned electrical instrument panel of some sort or another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bensonga View Post
    It really is hard to choose between the Leica R8/90mm Elmarit and the Canon EOS 1V/85mm f1.8 results. Both look very good to me.

    This one from the Canon 1V. This really is a terrific film SLR....

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    This one really caught my attention because of the play between the bold color and the interesting textures and rusty parts.

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    Cindy,

    Yes, I think they must have given it a fresh paint job recently! :-)

    On the other hand, Engine 1802 hasn't moved from this spot for a few years.

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    TRES COOL Gary...Love Trains

    I had had sooo much Fun out & about on the Street Lately
    Heres a few w/Contax G1 21 Biogon /acros 100 / rodinal 13.5
    Do Hope everyone ENJOYS !!

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    Very nice, Helen. The first is enchanting. I am amused that it says "White Event" and the man is standing there all spiffed-out in his white uniform. Well spotted.

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    Bravo Helen, #1 is wonderful.

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    Thank You Cindy & John for the Kind Words

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    Still practicing dealing with a square.

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    Love it, CINDY - its Inviting & sooo Soft on the Eye

    How many Shots Does One Get ?
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    Yo Helen! Nice eye for the Navy guy. And nice series with the Acros. I confess that I find this film/developer combo more appealing than some of your other film shots that appear to have more compressed tonal ranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Love it - its Inviting & sooo Soft on the Eye

    How many Shots Does One Get ?
    Thanks, Helen. There are 12 6x6 shots on 120, 24 on 220 film.
    This was my first roll of Efke. The film strips came back from A&I in a flat cardboard mailer (very nice service), but when I tried to put them in the V700 strip holder, they curled. I don't think I am getting anywhere near the focus or detail that is possible. I'm just learning on this Epson. It isn't as straightforward as scanning with my Nikon V was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRSmith View Post
    Yo Helen! Nice eye for the Navy guy. And nice series with the Acros. I confess that I find this film/developer combo more appealing than some of your other film shots that appear to have more compressed tonal ranges.
    Thanx Tim but I do have a Question....re: Your thoughts
    Aside from film/developer combos
    I have now been doing very Little Agiattion / My Inversions are just down to two every other minute and very GENTLY & am extending the Developing Time abit More / more like the Mad Scientist
    in the bathroom-darkroom than the Controlled Aesthetic

    So i assume less agitation does something as well.... perhaps more detail & longer gradation of Tones OR am I too cerebreal in my thoughts
    Thanx again - Helen
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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    TRES COOL Gary...Love Trains

    I had had sooo much Fun out & about on the Street Lately
    Heres a few w/Contax G1 21 Biogon /acros 100 / rodinal 13.5
    Do Hope everyone ENJOYS !!
    That first one is outstanding. Well seen, and too dang funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    Thanx Tim but I do have a Question....re: Your thoughts
    Aside from film/developer combos
    I have now been doing very Little Agiattion / My Inversions are just down to two every other minute and very GENTLY & am extending the Developing Time abit More / more like the Mad Scientist
    in the bathroom-darkroom than the Controlled Aesthetic

    So i assume less agitation does something as well.... perhaps more detail & longer gradation of Tones OR am I too cerebreal in my thoughts
    Thanx again - Helen
    Ahh, I wish I could answer definitively for you. But I am so many years out of practice with film that I think others might be better able to help.

    However, when I made my comment about the compressed tones of some of your shots, I was referring to some posts you've made where the highlights were severely squashed. Now maybe that's your intention/interpretation. Which is cool, just not my cup of tea. But to be honest, they almost look fogged, underdeveloped, or both. [I looked for a sample, the one you took of your bud as he was looking up at a building, a recent post, but couldn't find it] These latest examples have a much better range of tones and cleaner look (to my eye).

    There's lots of opinions about agitation, with varying ideas about what gives the best results. I would venture to guess that it will depend a lot on a number of elements. Rodinol for instance, can be used with very little or even no agitation. So if that's what you're using with this recent set, you can't necessarily draw the conclusion that no agitation will yield "...more detail & longer gradation of Tones" as a rule that would apply for other developers.

    Typically the majority of opinion falls to either 5 sec. agitation every 30 seconds, or 10 sec. once every minute. No agitation for most developers (other than Rodinol) is going to yield less than optimal results.

    But I will say that back in my lab rat days, consistency was the key to success. For each developer/dilution/film combination it was important to be as consistent as possible to accurately judge and tweak the process. So if you want to test the results of various agitation methods, the best way to judge results is to ONLY change the agitation portion of the process on films exposed in a similar fashion and with the same developer and development times. If you add too many variables you'll never be sure which aspect was responsible for the thing you like (or hate).

    Keep on truckin'!

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    Re: More and more film fun with something other than a Leica M

    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    TRES COOL Gary...Love Trains
    I had had sooo much Fun out & about on the Street Lately
    Heres a few w/Contax G1 21 Biogon /acros 100 / rodinal 13.5
    Do Hope everyone ENJOYS !!
    Hi Helen. I love the White Sale/Navy guy photo too...and the others also. Love street scenes from the big cities! I've only been to NYC once....what an amazing place. Wish I could live there for 6 mos to a year someday. So much to see and do.

    You B&Ws are very strong. Are you doing the scanning of the negs yourself? If so....more details please. I just don't seem to be getting such good results. Thanks!

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    For the most part, agitation controls contrast. The more you agitate, the more contrast the negatives will have. The low agitation method with 1:50 or 1:100 rodinal is really allowing two things to happen -- 1. Highlights require more developer than shadows, and by not agitating, you are allowing the developer to exhaust at the highlights, which means that they develop more slowly than the shadows. Since you are not agitating, fresh developer will not reach the highlights, but this does not effect the shadow. This is a "compensating" effect, and it lowers contrast and can compress the midtones a bit. It is a good technique for photographing in high contrast lighting -- either daylight or night/interior shooting. It gives great negs for scanning, but occasionally a bit thin for traditional printing.

    2. The second thing that happens with rodinal and low agitation is the so-called "edge effects". These are basically when you have areas of high and low density, the developer will behave in a way such that it makes the contrast higher at those edge areas. Basically, it works the exact same way an unsharp mask does in photoshop, but it is obviously more subtle -- it just makes the microcontrast higher, which makes the negatives appear much sharper.
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    I'm still trying to come to grips with the square format and a new scanner.
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    I LOVE the first shot...there is an Intimacy and Voyeur FEEL
    which maybe the SQUARE format heightens...Lovely

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    Cindy, I love the first shot too!

    Here is one from Mamiya 7 II with 65 mm, 30 sec @ f/11 on Fuji Acros:

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    Cindy, I love the first shot too!

    Here is one from Mamiya 7 II with 65 mm, 30 sec @ f/11 on Fuji Acros:
    That is amazingly sharp, and beautifully composed.

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    Francois, You are a master at the long exposure of flowing water. This photo is beautiful.

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    Thanks Lloyd and Cindy.

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    Nice composition! I like the contrast of textures between the bark and the silhouette on the wall. The reflections of windows on the window are intriguing, and contribute to the overall balance.

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    "MacLaren ...."



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    Holga 135DC

    A Holga Dream

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    I like that a lot John. Dream-like indeed. Seems like like the perfect camera to step out of bounds with now and then.

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    JOHN: HOLGAS are Cooool!!!!


    These are with my newly Acquired OM1 50/1.4
    from our own getdpi Steven Huff /steve8...THANX AGAIN... its a Gem !

    The OM is a fantastic camera & a Great Compliment to my M4 & 35 lux
    I do Love zeiss glass but am having a hard Time adjusting auto focus on the Contax G1...i much PREFER manual focus
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    Beautiful images Helen!
    I love the tonality, composition and colour contrast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenhill View Post
    JOHN: HOLGAS are Cooool!!!!


    These are with my newly Acquired OM1 50/1.4
    from our own getdpi Steven Huff /steve8...THANX AGAIN... its a Gem !

    The OM is a fantastic camera & a Great Compliment to my M4 & 35 lux
    I do Love zeiss glass but am having a hard Time adjusting auto focus on the Contax G1...i much PREFER manual focus
    It looks like the OM-1 is a good fit for your style, Helen. This set is really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoc View Post
    "MacLaren ...."



    (Ektar100 / Rolleiflex 3.5E)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Lil' doc is very cute. Do you think he is dreaming about photography?

    I really like the Ektar 100 with my Rolleiflex, too.
    Cindy, thank you ! Me thinks he is dreaming about .... milk !!

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    Cheers & Thanx Francois_A & Cindy

    This One makes me giggle....
    I suppose I have now joined the EVIL SLR Club....
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    Nothing evil about it, Helen. Nice shot!

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    Now Helen, I told you the OM's are the nearest thing to an M in an SLR, I've ever used.
    and the Zuiko lenses are little jewels. You may want to hunt for the 21/2.0. It is very nice.
    An example from my 5D.

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    Well, I finally did it. I got off my butt and processed a couple of rolls of film. Decided to just give it a go at the kitchen sink. It's been 30 years! But it went pretty well and I'm encouraged to forge ahead with film.

    The scanner is a refurb Epson Perfection I bought 8 years ago for $150 to scan line art. So it's definitely a weak link. But looking at the negs from the 40 y.o. Rollei with a loupe is almost as good as sex. What a lovely camera. I will look forward to trying to live up to its legacy.

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    BEAUTIFUL Tim...to silver halide & drunkeness !!

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    Tim, beautiful photo ! Excellent tones, BTW.
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    Thanks Helen and maddoc! And speaking of drunkeness, I think it's interesting how excited I am about film now. As wonderful as the digital cameras are, each successive camera buy started with outrageous enthusiasm but that feeling only lasted a short time before I wanted something "more". I'm not immune to the lure of better digital and will no doubt succumb again in the future. But I think it's different with this film camera. It feels like there's an infinite amount of experimentation and growth ahead. Different films and developers, actual silver prints, better scans, etc. I'm not ready to put down any of my digital cams, but now feel that film has rounded out my options in a much more satisfying way than a new 4/3 cam (as an example) might. Which is not to say I wouldn't love to have a D-Lux 4.

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    Great start Tim. Look forward to more!
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    Thanks William!

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    very nice, Tim
    how about the rest of the roll?
    12 negs is a far cry from an 8gig card, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Thanks, Helen. There are 12 6x6 shots on 120, 24 on 220 film.
    This was my first roll of Efke. The film strips came back from A&I in a flat cardboard mailer (very nice service), but when I tried to put them in the V700 strip holder, they curled. I don't think I am getting anywhere near the focus or detail that is possible. I'm just learning on this Epson. It isn't as straightforward as scanning with my Nikon V was.
    Take a look at the BetterScanning products with the ANR inserts. Makes a significant difference believe me. Takes a little trial and error to establish the correct shim heights (I found 3.8mm the best) but a lot more rigid and adjustable than the Epson inserts.

    http://www.betterscanning.com/scanni...s/vseries.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    very nice, Tim
    how about the rest of the roll?
    12 negs is a far cry from an 8gig card, eh?
    Most of that roll was more of my nieces. I didn't want to bore folks with them.

    But you're right! It seems like it should go extremely fast since I'm used to gigs of storage and hundreds of images with a digital. But at least for now, I'm finding the opposite is true. I'm pretty selective about what I shoot and I bracket, so it's a pretty slow and deliberate process. I think that will change though.

    One more goofy one from that first roll.

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    Nice images Tim!

    Here is one from Mamiya 7, 65mm and Fuji NPH400

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    mmm, love those square images!

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    Re: More and more film fun with something other than a Leica M

    some really wonderful images in this thread ; )
    Here are a few from my most recent contact sheets ....
    Shot with a Plaubel Makina 670

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShiroKuro View Post
    some really wonderful images in this thread ; )
    Here are a few from my most recent contact sheets ....
    Shot with a Plaubel Makina 670
    All great. Love that handstand shot especially.

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    OM1 /Zuiko 50 1.4
    a very Tired Eric...love the retro FEEL and soft Colour

    Peruvian Dancers on the Street...
    Last edited by helenhill; 3rd July 2009 at 05:55.

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