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    I'm not sure they had anything to hide. I've talked to Korean friends of mine and I get the idea that it's a cultural thing. They were also worried that I was somehow keeping customers from entering their store, but all through the 2 hours I was there, there was a steady stream coming and going, and since I was completely across the street, I didn't notice a single customer paying any attention to me.

    There's also a lot of unfounded fear out there in the general public when anyone with a camera points it practically anywhere. I can't tell you how many paranoid people I've run into who think that somehow I'm endangering national security when I'm shooting landscapes, urban or otherwise. Just last week I was confronted by a person in a small Wizard of Oz era courtyard a few blocks from the old MGM lot in Culver City. This woman really thought I might be a terrorist. I spent about 15 minutes talking to her and by the end I think she realized that her little cottage was probably not on a terrorist hit list and if they wanted pictures of it they were already available for free from Google Earth. Not THAT really rattled her.

    BTW, I had originally shot this digitally with my Canon, and this is one area where film is still miles ahead of digital. All the neon and street lights blowing out are oh so much nicer on film than the harsh cutoff of digital, so I re-shot with film and like the results much better.

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    Peter,

    I know what you mean about the paranoids out there. I've been confronted a couple of times, and have heard horror stories from friends. The times we live in, I guess?

    And yes, I agree about film in those situations. Your result speaks to that very eloquently.

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    Hey,
    this looks to be a great scan. I see you're using a Howtek, which I presume is a drum scanner? What is the shadow detail like? I use a Nikon 9000 and 8000 plus occasionally a friends Imacon 848 but find they both capture, on VERY close inspection, less shadow detail and more noise in the shadows than what I've seen on a drum scan. Out of interest, if you have time, can you post some 100% crops or info about the above shot to illustrate how good drum scanning is? I terms of your later comment about film being better in the highlights than digi, from my experience with only 35mm digital I agree although suspect digital MF may go a long way to bridge the gap.

    Thanks in advance.

    Oh, and I like the photo!

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    Another Mamiya 7, 80mm shot. Urban landscape, West L.A. I was fully across the street on the sidewalk and first the owners wife and then the owner came out yelling at me not to take a picture of their store. When I told the owner I was shooting the sunset and just including his store in the shot, he pointed down the street and said something on the order of "better sunset down the street..." I reminded him politely that I was the photographer here and I would decide where to shoot from.

    Provia. Drum scanned on the Howtek 8000.

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    Mucking about with a Canon Elan II (circa mid-ninties maybe??), with Canon 50mm f/1.2. Pretty sure these are all at f1.2, otherwise what's the point?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott G View Post
    Mucking about with a Canon Elan II (circa mid-ninties maybe??), with Canon 50mm f/1.2. Pretty sure these are all at f1.2, otherwise what's the point?


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    Very nice, Scott. Great shots.

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    TJV,

    I'll post some crops when I get a chance. I shooting a Philip Bailey CD cover tomorrow, a helicopter shot Friday, back in the studio Monday and then into at least a week of post production, so it might be awhile. The problem with posting crops is that it doesn't tell you a lot unless your comparing to either the original film or the same film scanned on a different scanner, and I've only two scanners, both Howteks. What I can tell you is that it's no problem to pull more shadow detail from an Ektachrome than you can see even looking through a loupe on a JustNormlicht lightbox. The drum scanners have an advantage at the other end of the tonal range too. They can record more subtle differences in the extreme highlights than CCD scanners and that is extended even further with fluid mounting where the Kami scanner fluid makes about a .05 difference in highlight density. That isn't a whole lot, but sometimes it's just little things that count. Hey, that sounds like a song...

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    Hey, thanks pfigen. I just received back a bag of film from the lab today and as soon as I put them on the light box and saw them pop I was adamant I shouldn't go digi MF just yet. Funny how you forget the intense pleasure of getting the loupe out and seeing the beautiful colours and definition of slides when packing film up for the lab and stressing out about what it will end up costing you! I think you are correct about posting crops without comparisons, it's just drum scans from E6 always look so great compared to what I end up getting myself from CCD based systems. Something about the tonal range, smooth gradations and better dynamic range?

    Anyway, good luck with your work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfigen View Post
    Another Mamiya 7, 80mm shot. Urban landscape, West L.A. Provia. Drum scanned on the Howtek 8000.
    very nice one! I'm envious about the Howtek quality...

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    Just got my new (to me) Canon FTb(n), and ran some cheap Kodak film through it to check the meter before I start feeding it Velvia 50 in Tahoe next week. Seems nicely exposed to me. Not sure if I like the bokeh on the 28/2.8 lens though...

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    Dragos, nice stuff, congrats on the new old camera!

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    Nice shots guys. I really like the FD lens look from Canon. My first film camera was my dad's T90, so I learned on FD, and I think it still influences the kind of lenses I like. They had some really nice bokeh in those lenses, particularly the L series like the 50/1.2L and 85/1.2L.
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    Contax 645, 80/2 Planar, Ektar


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    Robert, These are really nice. The portrait is beautiful.

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    Thanks Cindy.


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    Thanks Cindy.


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    Re: More and more film fun with something other than a Leica M

    Wonderful images and color Robert!

    I almost hate to post these now....they are so stark and industrial by comparison. These are from the first roll of film I ran thru the Pentax 67II. Taken with a 55mm f4 lens that I hadn't used before. Ilford Delta 400, Epson V750 Pro scan.

    Thanks again for the camera Robert....it's working perfectly! A nice improvement over my older Pentax 67 bodies.

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    Thanks Gary.

    Glad you like the Pentax...can't beat the big negative! I'm liking the other 'tax, the Contax (but not liking the other other tax, now that it's almost April 15, but that's another story.)

    Here's another 80/2 Planar shot, this one with a 13mm extension tube, Velvia:


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    Wonderful images and color Robert!

    I almost hate to post these now....they are so stark and industrial by comparison. ...snip...
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    I'm really liking stark and industrial. Please keep them coming.

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    Thanks Cindy....here's another from the same roll. This is the first time I've used the Ilford Delta 400....more grain than I'm used to, but I think it works for this type of "scenery". I usually shoot 100 ISO films, but it's been so gray and gloomy lately and I knew I would be too lazy to use the tripod on this first roll of film thru the P67II (these were all hand held). The 55mm lens seems to exhibit more distortion than I'm used to seeing with my other wide angle Pentax 67 lenses.

    I'm afraid the snow really was that gray and dirty....it's that time of year here. However, today it would be beautifully white and clean...it's been snowing all day and we will probably have another 8-10 inches of new snow on the ground before it stops. I should go out tomorrow and take some more photos! We're all hoping this is winter's last blast.

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    Monza -- those are very beautiful portraits. The expressions and compositions are nicely chosen, and the color palette and backgrounds are lovely. Are they also with the Contax 645?

    Gary -- Industrial spaces also have their beauty, stark though it may be. I think I like that last photo best. I like how it shows the city and the land colliding.

    On another note, I just received the last of my personal effects from the US, and among them was my slide projector. I had a slide show with a friend, and we were both thinking how amazing a good projected slide is. So much more satisfying than any other photographic display medium I think. If the primary display medium for photography were projected images, I am sure digital never would have taken off. Just the color gamut of projected slides is so far beyond anything digital can do...it's like an entirely different artform.
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    Thanks Stuart, I give all the credit to the model. Very pleased with Portra. All the previous were with the Contax 645 and 80/2 Planar. The one below was shot on Portra 160VC with an 85/2.8 Sonnar on a Contax Aria, downsized from a 25 megapixel scan.


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    A few more from my first roll of film through the Canon FTb(n). Waiting to get my film developed from my Tahoe trip - can't wait! I'll post some when I get them back.

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    Sue In The Snow, 1978

    My sister, outstanding in her field. Er, on our creek. In the middle of the pasture. On the farm. In 1978 or so.

    Shot with my Canonet and developed in dad's darkroom in the basement. I found the small file of a scanned negative (maybe print) in my old iPhoto library and I can't remember where the file came from. But I spiffed it up a bit in LightZone, because this photo makes me smile. I loved the overgrown and unused pasture, probably because it was never-tilled prairie, just pretending to be a pasture. I miss having a little wild and private place to go whenever I felt the need.

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    Hi Stuart,

    Is this the same volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier that is spewing ash and causing all the flight cancellations in Europe now?

    Took me a few attempts to get the name spelled right (hopefully).

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    Haha, no Leif, I am fine. Yes, they are all shots of the volcano currently going here. I have some others, but not really done yet. Most are from very far away. It is a 10 hour hike to get to the actual eruption site, and I have not really been up for it. It is crowded with thousands of people, it is freezing, and I don't really think I can get a more original photo than anyone else, so I am steering clear for now. I have been there twice. The first time 3 days after it started, there were only 40 people or so. The next time I went (on the weekend), there were over 1000 people there. That is more than 1/300th the population of the whole nation, so it felt really crowded!

    Here is a standard (non-film) shot of the eruption:

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    Dragos, Those are very nice, but the third one really stands out to me for color and the second for interest.

    Maggie, My first rangefinder was a Canonete, too...but mine was a lowly 28. I loved that camera, but I eventually sold it and moved on to SLR. It is really cool that you still have yours.

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    Gary -- yes, it is the same volcano, but the eruption shifted to a different place and a different style. The one I photographed was much more benign. Much of the volcano is located under a glacier, but when it began, it was in the best place possible -- a bare area between two glaciers -- it was mostly just lava spewing out with very little in the way of flooding or ash. Now it has moved to the worst possible place -- under the deepest part of the glacier. This means that there is lots and lots of ice to melt and extensive flooding. Additionally, it has gone from producing very little ash to producing a larger amount.
    People are not too worried about this one though. They are scared about one called Katla -- it is not far away and in the same volcanic system. Traditionally, when the one that is currently going erupts, Katla is not far behind. It is a much more violent volcano and is deep under a large glacier. When it erupts it causes huge amounts of flooding (actually, in the 1700s it put out more than the flow of the Amazon, Nile, Missisippi and Yangtze combined! That is a lot of water in a small area) and a lot more ash.
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    Dragos, Those are very nice, but the third one really stands out to me for color and the second for interest.
    Thank you! I'm guessing the film I used for these test shots had been sitting on the shelf in the convenience store for at least 10 years in the San Diego heat, so I wonder if that gave these photos some sort of special coloring.
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    This is my first 35mm camera and I've held on to it for all these years. In the last couple of years, the foam light seals have degraded and sort-of melted and I can't find the batteries for it anymore. Which is a shame, as it is a very nice little camera with a great lens.
    Maggie, I'm working on buying a QL17 myself to use a street shooter. It uses the same batteries as my Canon FTb, and I was able to find new PX625s in the local photo store that are the correct voltage, but not made from mercury. They take a few seconds to heat up before they come up to voltage, but they work fine. Might want to check locally or online to see if they have the same batteries. You can also find replacement seals for it online for cheap, and do the modification yourself. Might be a fun project to give your trusted camera some new life =).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cindy Flood View Post
    Maggie, My first rangefinder was a Canonete, too...but mine was a lowly 28. I loved that camera, but I eventually sold it and moved on to SLR. It is really cool that you still have yours.
    It's funny, I was so excited when I got a Konica TC SLR to replace what I thought was a second-rate kiddie camera, but I never could bring myself to sell the Canonet and was always using it when I didn't want to lug a bigger camera around. I sold off the TC and the Konica T4 that replaced it when I got my Nikon F3 (which I still have, too), but the Canonet soldiered on!

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    It uses the same batteries as my Canon FTb, and I was able to find new PX625s in the local photo store that are the correct voltage, but not made from mercury. They take a few seconds to heat up before they come up to voltage, but they work fine. Might want to check locally or online to see if they have the same batteries.

    Keep an eye on your metering -- the problem with the new batteries is not the listed voltage, it is the way they lose power. Mercury cells have a very very flat output curve -- they put out the same voltage when they are new until right before they die. Alkaline, silver oxide and lithium are not as good as this. Most old meters used this stable output to set the meter response, so you may find that your battery overexposes to start, works for awhile, and then underexposes. It is very difficult to compensate for. You can use Wein Cells, which are Zinc Air batteries (expensive and don't last long), you can have the camera modified to work with different batteries, or you can sometimes hack current hearing aid batteries (a lot of which are zinc air and very cheap) and make an adapter for them to fit your camera.
    But just beware that even if the voltage is the same on the batteries you found, they might not work with the meter properly.
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    Keep an eye on your metering -- the problem with the new batteries is not the listed voltage, it is the way they lose power. Mercury cells have a very very flat output curve -- they put out the same voltage when they are new until right before they die. Alkaline, silver oxide and lithium are not as good as this. Most old meters used this stable output to set the meter response, so you may find that your battery overexposes to start, works for awhile, and then underexposes. It is very difficult to compensate for. You can use Wein Cells, which are Zinc Air batteries (expensive and don't last long), you can have the camera modified to work with different batteries, or you can sometimes hack current hearing aid batteries (a lot of which are zinc air and very cheap) and make an adapter for them to fit your camera.
    But just beware that even if the voltage is the same on the batteries you found, they might not work with the meter properly.
    I've been experiencing some of the issues you're describing already, so I'm hoping the photos I took in Tahoe will come out metered OK. I'll look to see if I can find some different battery options as well.
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    I hope so too Dragos -- I am looking forward to seeing the photos. Just doing a quick search, this appears like it is probably the most comprehensive paper on the problem -- it is huge! http://www.butkus.org/chinon/batt-adapt-us.pdf

    Anyway, here are some photos from the past few weeks. Mostly Hasselblad, but also 4x5 at the end. The color is E6 I processed myself -- Provia 400x pushed to 1600.















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    And the 4x5:







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    That is some beautiful work, Stuart!

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    Stuart, the light quality on those last three is something else. Very nice.

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    Thank you both very much! Mikel -- I am glad it showed up, it was a very unusual light...
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    Some awesome shots on this thread, once again.

    Here are a few from Ben Nevis with the blad + 80mm. First time I've used tri-x. Perhaps not the best film for landscapes but, never the less. The tonality gives me or***ms even though it's nowhere near as good as some of the previous posts here, especially the large format iceland photos.

    Stuart, wanted to thank you for the discussion & comments about slide film, etc. a while ago. Have been away from the computer in the past weeks and thus didn't manage to reply at the time.






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    Those are amazing. I should be there. I really don't know why I am not! (other than work....) It's really funny, because life just goes on here in the capital. There is no outward sign of the eruption at all, and if you are not watching the evening news or reading the paper, you would have no idea that anything unusual was happening.

    By the way, lovely photos with the Tri-x and blad. It really does have wonderful tonality.
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    Finally got my photos from the Tahoe trip. I did indeed have some metering issues, so I'll have to consider getting a new battery. I also see some potential light leaks, so might be time for some CLA. In any event, here's some photos.

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    This one was severely overexposed, but I made an attempt to salvage it through some PP:
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    sizifo, The tones from the blad are really wonderful. I love landscape in black and white.

    Dragos, Lake Tahoe looks beautiful with the snow. The first one is my favorite.
    Sometimes you can save a shot that is slightly overexposed by copying the layer and setting the blend mode to multiply (in Photoshop). Also, I always carry a little hand-held meter with me when I'm using my vintage cameras for exactly the reasons that Stuart mentioned in post #1032 above. I have a little Gossen digiflash that fits in my pocket.

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    Thanks for the comments. Just redid the sharpening because I thought it looked wrong in the browser. Apologies for reposting. It's difficult to get this right.







    Regarding the lightmeter, I used the GRDII for the more difficult exposures (and messed up some exposures anyway). It seems to me that reflective metering is a lot more useful for landscape stuff than incident. Incidentally..., the GRDII is perfectly accurate compared to my sekonic.

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    Cindy - thank you for the feedback. I'm trying really hard to not have to buy another expensive piece of gear, so for the moment I'll try to figure out the 'character' my light meter exhibits and work around it. I only had metering issues on a small percentage of shots, so I can live with that even though I spent a fair amount of time composing all my shots.

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    Speaking of light meters, I have a Lunasix that I use when I really want to go old school, but most of the time, if I need a meter, I use the Light Meter app on my iPhone! It's quite good, too!

    Dragos and sizifo, those are some stunning sets of photos! I love the colors in Dragos' and the tones in sizifo's are to die for! Well done and thanks for posting them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    Speaking of light meters, I have a Lunasix that I use when I really want to go old school, but most of the time, if I need a meter, I use the Light Meter app on my iPhone! It's quite good, too!

    Dragos and sizifo, those are some stunning sets of photos! I love the colors in Dragos' and the tones in sizifo's are to die for! Well done and thanks for posting them!
    Thank you, Maggie! Is this the Light Meter app you use on your iPhone, or something else?: http://itunes.apple.com/app/lightmeter/id320768222?mt=8. I've been getting a bunch of free apps so far for my 3GS, but I might actually pay for a light meter app that works well.
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    A few more from Tahoe and surrounding areas





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    Thanks for the comment Maggie. Very nice photos from Tahoe. Love how the last one, with completely blown highlights, still works.

    BTW, can anybody recommend a developer for Tri-X? I used DD-X for the above, which was just a random choice, but have run out now and would like to try something more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by photoSmart42 View Post
    Thank you, Maggie! Is this the Light Meter app you use on your iPhone, or something else?: http://itunes.apple.com/app/lightmeter/id320768222?mt=8. I've been getting a bunch of free apps so far for my 3GS, but I might actually pay for a light meter app that works well.
    Yes! That's the one!

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