- The video crowd is tearing it down, and for good reason: the crop factor when shooting 4K is 1.74x.
- If it's not an attractive video option, the 5Ds seems to be a more attractive camera at a similar price, not to speak about alternatives from Nikon, Pentax and Sony.
LOL about as much interest here as in an old shoe. Canon is on the slow boat.
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I think the video crowd will soon realize what Hollywood has known for years: it's a lot easier to keep a Super-35 frame (approx APS-C) in focus. That's a good part of the reason why almost every big budget movie ever (film or digital) has been shot in that format. Bigger frames sizes (Vistavision, Imax, etc) are mostly only used for special effects shots and a few showcase films.
The new 5D looks good, but it's an evolution of the previous 4 models, which won't impress the gadget bloggers. The crowd here at GetDPI probably favours the 5DSr for its higher resolution, but the Mark IV has higher ISO and shooting speed.
Personally, I wish Canon had upgraded the viewfinder. The Mark III and Sr have very poor finders that don't work well for manual focusing. This one seems to be more of the same, based on the fact that the focusing screen is not interchangeable.
By the way, anybody remember when the 5D Mark II came out, and people were claiming that it would lead to the death of medium format?
it will probably sell very well. the crop factor for video is not an issue, its not quite the same as the Sonys where the space for an adapter means more lens choice but shooting s35 (or thereabouts) is fine.
Canon have the in the hand usability, focus and menu system sorted, i have kept a select few canon lenses as if i ever have to go back to shooting things that move and involve looking through a real viewfinder then iíll buy hire a 5 (mk IV/5ds)
i expect the dxo fans and peepers will slate it.
never trust the opinion of anyone who lists a load of gear in their forum signature. Dealers do not email me asking to buy your products.
I agree that the Mk. IV will probably sell very well, just as the D810 does for Nikon.
Interesting video about the 5D Mark IV video features
This camera is very appealing, especially for video (no issues with the crop factor as this is not much different from other 4k DSLR implementations) and video AF seems to be miles ahead of any other implementation as well (Nikon are you looking?)
Plus I find the 30MP a very great sweet spot for FF, would have preferred that over the 36MP of so many other implementations. And it shows its benefits with great DR etc.
Adding some of the great L glass, especially my preferred 1.2 50 or 85 and one must be in heaven
KUDOS to Canon for this great product!
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I have no bone to pick here, merely reading a thread and commenting, good luck Canonites, hopefully this works out for those interested in it.
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The codec they chose is better for editing and post-processing, but you will go through a lot of CF cards at 4K. Some competitors either don't record 4K on-board at all, or else they compress it so much that it falls apart with very little post-processing. Canon's choice was to maintain the highest quality and convenience, so that must be what 5D customers asked for. It's actually quite refreshing to be able to record decent 4K without an external recorder.
I guess Canon's other option was to switch to C-Fast cards, but that would have been even more controversial.
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As for the advanced AF features, similar solutions have been available on the GH3 and GH4 for a while, and without an articulated LCD, the touch screen is of limited value. You have to see it to use it, and when shooting video, the camera isn't always at eye level.
Here's Philip Bloom's view:
The Canon 5D legacy, what made the video so special and what does the 5D MKIV mean? | Philip Bloom
And Andrew Reid's:
An in-depth look at the video specs of the Canon 5D Mark IV - EOSHD
Again, this seems to be a great stills camera, and at least on par with the D810. I also like that they stay with CF-cards.
I think WRT video you are unfortunately right ....
1) although the 4K crop of the Nikon D5 is also 1.5 and IMHO the difference between 1.5 or 1.7 (5DM4) is not what would really scare me - both are just BS when using FF glass
2) the most annoying fact is the video codec being MJPEG 4:2:2 that produces really big files and it is a shame that they did not use something like H.264 like Panasonic does or even Fuji now in their new XT2
3) Dual Pixel AF while a great feature also brings lot of physical issues (smaller photo sites at even decent pixel count resulting in decreased high ISO and DR capabilities) and my experiences with even old mirrorless cameras like the Olympus EM1 and video AF are pretty good, so not much to gain from that feature anyway
Not sure what the PM teams at Canon (and BTW also Nikon) are really smoking, as with each and every new release the latest DSLR offerings get more questionable whereas the latest mirrorless offerings start rocking.
Interesting where this all will end up in 4 to 5 years from now
People over-estimate how wide a lens they need for moving images.
The standard Zeiss motion picture rental set for 35mm (roughly the same as APS-C) starts at 16mm, with a 12mm as an extra-cost option. There's a Kinoptik 9.8mm available too, but most cinematographers go entire careers without using it.
Now you hear complaints that you can only go down to 11 with a zoom and 10 with a prime.
Wides don't work very well for moving pictures. You can make them work for the occasional locked-off shot, but any camera movement makes them go all weird.
Even directors who are known for their wide look, such as Kubrick, Renoir, Welles, Wenders rarely went anywhere near that wide. Kubrick shot a few scenes with a 9.8, but his favourite lens was a Cooke 19. Wenders' classic wide-angle film, Paris Texas, was shot using a Zeiss 25.
The 5D cameras accept APS-C lenses in cinema and third-party mounts. The only APS-C lenses they don't accept are Canon's own consumer lenses, like the ubiquitous 18-55 kit lens.
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I'm not really criticizing Canon for this, just concluding that they have chosen not to follow up on the fantastic success of the somewhat revolutionary (at least for video purposes) 5D II and 5D III models. It looks like a much more stills oriented model, which is also the case for the corresponding Nikon, the D810.
Just saw this quoted at "the digital picture" and was hoping somebody could elaborate on it...
"As always, JPG images can be generated at any size desired when converting from a RAW image. The 5D Mark IV supports 4:3, 16:9 and 1:1 (square) aspect ratios as well."
Just wondering if this blocks out the viewfinder as in the Nikon D810 or there is something else going on...Live view only maybe?
Thanks in advance!
As a user of both, I feel they share the same glossy look I loved so much in the 645z.
Really nice four year camera there.
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I'm not a huge video person but this does seem like a great camera that goes above and beyond the requirements of most photographers. I like the 30mp pixel count, refined AF system, dual pixel technology, and updated lens line.
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