Got home late last night and just getting unpacked and see if I can answer some questions here. I mentioned the cost and the back and got no way Jose. LOL That will change though otherwise a trip to Dubai maybe in order. LOL
Anyway since it is in prototype stage and still being tweaked in firmware test like that we are going to wait for a final production unit since a lot could change for the better . Also high ISO shots we did not take like we did not with the prototype of the P65 and same here they tend to wait for the last minute on the high ISO implementation towards the final production version.
The prototype was nice but missing a lot of functions still and power management was not turned on yet as well so we ate batteries like crazy. Now all that will get fixed and run in normal modes soon so Phase will want us to run more tests as things get implemented.
We did give them all the raws we shot as well so they can analyze the files for any anomaly's .
Yes it will be very interesting to run it at full bore of all it's parts.
One thing i will say and Phase could not comment on any of there road map plans but the company seems financial healthy for one they are pushing the tech envelope and want to grow there business and bring on new product. I find that part very encouraging as a end user. Guess the bottom line is they have real plans.
You ask, we try and deliver . Here are corner crops from the power plant shot posted earlier. Again, these were shot at f11 with the 150D lens from about 1/4 mile distant at base ISO of 50. However in the lower corner crops, you can see some elements at much closer distances of around 100 yards. Lower Left, Lower Right and then Upper Right areas:
Here's the original full frame for convenience:
Now here is your noise fix, I shot a few when nobody was looking . Keep in mind this was a prototype back AND it is doubtful the back has been tweaked fully for noise yet. All in all not too shabby if you ask me, but I fully expect the production backs will be even better. I personally feel the PhaseOne engineering team is making a very impressive showing here of their capabilities...:
First the image. This room was in shadow and taken with the 80LS at f11, 1/30th with full and Sensor+ ISO800 frame crops from the Left edge of frame:
Here is the full 80MP frame crop at ISO800 -- this is an 80MP back folks!:
Here is the same area from ISO800 S+ 20MP crop:
Someone asked if i shot any handheld well I did not all successful but that was me but i did nail one with the 150 at F4 ISO 50. ISO 50 is not always a normal ISO for me mostly use ISO 100 but no matter I pulled one off but not a work of art actually none of this is. They are test shots. LOL
Okay I lied nailed another one handheld at F4 with the 150
and the Full frame
It maybe slightly out of focus also as I watched Jack shoot this he was pointed up towards the power plant and maybe focus got thrown slightly at that corner. He certainly was not square to it since we where below it.
I have to run but maybe Jack can show a more squared on image for all the corners
Guy is correct. First off, my focus point was the mass of piping center frame. I am facing the plant at a quartering angle and slightly up, so the LH side is closer than the RH side. Moreover, the first stack is probably another 100 yards or so behind the plant and well beyond the actual focus point.
And yes, with 10,328x7,760 pixels at 72DPI screen resolution, these 100% view crops are like sticking our noses in a 9 FOOT tall by 12 FOOT wide (or nearly a 3 meter x 4 meter) print -- !!! Cut that down to a 360 PPI print, and I doubt you'll be worrying about it
PS: This 5.5u sensor is definitely going to push most MF lens designs well beyond their limits. However, I remain totally impressed with how the Phase lenses all held up, even if only in the central 2/3rds area. Still allows us to make good use of those extra pixels.
Thats like a portrait at 10 ft Full Frame with any 35mm out there
is it me or...
it looks extremely sharp, but in term of color rendition, it looks really digital compare to an aptus 22 for exemple... i've feel the same when i was looking to a P65+ file !
in a way, it's not really sensual... it reminds me the old days when i was comparing slides shoot with zeiss lenses versus japanese ones...
I would not judge color rendition at this point. The files tend to be red and Phase is still tweaking that along with a multitude of other things. Might be seeing a little bit of jpeg compression as well.
I guess we will have to wait for finished versions of the back to see how colour works. The resolution is impressive for those that need it I guess.
The standout 'hook' for me is the user interface - wondering why no Hy6/Afi mount..since Leaf do one...
>it looks extremely sharp, but in term of color rendition, it looks really digital compare to an aptus 22 for exemple
Is this the back or the software and profiles? Did you try Aptus 22 files in Capture One?
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I'm going to try some different capture sharpening in the morning. It's at pre-sharpen 1 which works nice on the P 40 but given this 80mpx it maybe too much and looks a touch brittle. So I will play around with some samples and see what we come up with in that regards. One thing of note is the 150 2.8 D lens which I would consider more clinical in look than character like the new 110 LS. Look at this first shot if church very sharp but has a nice look to it. With this sensor we may want to think more critical on lens selection and look your after. This sensor has a load of detail in it so maybe taking this more into account now than we are used to doing today with current backs. So I will try a couple different processing and see if we can tame things down.
Okay going back into C1 I found a slight error on my part and reason this image looked a little brittle I had my Clarity at Plus 8 which would cause this look. So I did several things as you will see in the images and clearly marked. So here is the full image but I do believe a reduced setting in Presharpening 1 is the answer and zero clarity but that maybe personal opinion. So again here is the full image.
Now this was what I originally posted
As you can see some of the changes to the file . Now given this is a prototype all this can change but it is acting different than my P40+. Just needs less capture sharpening and just need to fine tune to taste. But yes the file can be smoother than what i originally posted.
Now I kind of like this one Pre Sharpening 1 reduced to amount 64 radius .9 and threshold .8 with clarity at -2. Now we should stop right here as well and say we will sharpen much differently sometimes between a landscape and a portrait as we obviously will want less in the portraits. I think we need to remember i am doing this by the 100 percent crop look as well. Obviously lots of variables and we will explore this again on a final production unit
Given that the UI and the quality of the new screen opens a totally different, and new, way of working with a tech cam, what do you think about the approach to the focus problem taken by the RM3d? I'm wondering if there is still point in the hassle of working with a disto, usinf the arca lens tables, and transferring of the value to the helicoid - if one has an IQ-back.
Chris if I may answer with Live view, focus mask and the resolution of the LCD at 100 -400 percent you can flat out throw all that crap out the door. Focusing type may not matter as much given you can go the Polaroid style of shooting in a sense. You can just make adjustments on the fly until you get your final image at least look at it this way you can certainly confirm yourself with the UI. Now Arca focusing most will agree is more accurate so you may not want to give that up or it may not matter as much as you can confirm things much easier now. It's a tough call but for the tech user this thing will rock.
I think it eliminates the need for a lot of the added hardware we had to have before, but I did not mean to suggest we can throw all caution out the door! I think there is still excellent value in having as many problematic variables out of our way before we begin, and this includes having a focus helical that is properly calibrated. I plan to continue using a dedicated workflow for the added efficiency and consistency it offers. No point in getting sloppy because we have an "instant critical review" LOL! I still want to be able to look at a building, estimate the critical focus point is at xx feet or even laser it if I choose, and then set my focus to where I know it's going to be close on frame one. Now I review, adjust and re-take but only *if necessary*, not because I'll have to. And, I like the idea that I don't need to carry around additional hardware to make a pre-confirmation like I used to to get as close as I could, since I can now make a true post-confirm for 100% certainty instead. Make sense?
Thanks for reposting these with less sharpening Guy. These new samples tell me more than the first group posted. I think it's important for all users of software to try their own settings for the equipment that they use. The canned profiles, canned sharpening and other features are not always the best starting point. I do appreciate the fact that C1 allows a user to create their own presets for later use.
As far as tech camera focusing with landscape work, it's easier than you think, especially with wide angle lenses. I carry a Leica Disto, but really only use it occasionally to confirm shorter focusing distances. Confirmation of focus with live view on a better LCD will definitely be appreciated, but with experience over time I think you'll go back to working with the helical mount from memory gained from working experience. Especially with a 35mm-47mm wide at F11 or so, you can "set it and forget it" for many landscape scenes.
Another hand-held shot. We went through an open gate and were shooting in buildings that were literally falling down, and were frankly surprised they weren't condemned and off limits. Then we had this visitor who advised us the gate had been vandalized and should not have been open, the buildings were condemned and we couldn't be there.
I suggested he arrest Kevin Raber immediately and toss him in jail for a few days, that I'd take care of his possessions until he made bail, but it didn't work .
Seriously, he was really great and directed us to another location with similar buildings that had not been condemned yet where we were free to photograph them. (In case there's any question, the "line" is his radio antenna.)
So.... Guy used the bolt cutters in his trunk?
Don't tell anyone but they worked great too. LOL
do these IQ backs require wake-up cables when used on a tech camera?
I shot the police officer handheld at 1/50 at F7 with a 110 ISO 50
Couple Misc shots both with the 110mm lens. Might have to buy this lens , has a nice look to it.Both at F11 around 1/60
Okay I think we want that back now. Ran out of images to process need to go shoot more. LOL
Just got this photo from Kevin so thought I would post it as we had a nice dinner together with Kevin Raber from Phase One and Mark Dubovoy from LuLa Thursday night before we headed out for our tests.
I have a tv producer and work with the RED ONE camera and scratch
I would buy a 40 IQ phase one
want to print larger and have the best possible image quality
I want to tell me honestly if it's worth the investment
compared with a canon or nikon 24 m
has more dynamic range?
has better picture quality?
or simply need more megapixels?
thank you very much for your reply
No question about it the Image quality of a MF system will be better over any 35mm system . Bigger is better still holds with digital. I own the P40+ and it is a sweetheart of a back and for most people 40 mpx is enough but all this will come down to what you shoot and how big you print. MF takes special care with technique over 35mm. MF has more DR, IQ and tonal range than anything out there but you will pay a price for it in usability and only you can decide your type of shooting and what will work best for you. They are not typical low light animals without solid support .
This is a question you should start a thread on and describe what type of shooting you will do and folks will help you figure that out if it is right for you.
Hey just wanted to add for completeness the full data sheet for all three new backs. You can download here:
Thanks Dale -- that's exactly what we try to deliver!
it seems to me that 80 meg either needs a tripod/monpod or IS built in in the camera/lens combo for reliable hand held operations and knowing that u nailed the shot. these will be an issue for older (not young) people.