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Jono - the viewfinder really is a refreshing change.
For my "urban landscape" stuff I use my GXR and usually one of the Ricoh small zooms. The Ricoh EVF is ok but not an "immediate" experience like the Fuji (I hope to try the Sony Nex EVF when I replace my 3C with a 5N) I think the X10 will be great for what I need after a bit of practice as it really is a new kind of camera in this class.
I shoot usually 4:3 or 1:1 and the X10 has this capability. But you have to be careful as the viewfinder always shows the same frame aspect ratio - best then to switch to the LCD if you need square.
The zoom linkage to the viewfinder is really good - no lag and it feels nicely mechanical.
Haven't had much of a chance to test the IQ yet, the weather is not cooperating.
Here is a pic of my two Fuji "rangefinder" cameras. The film camera still gets lots of use
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Here is part of an unprocessed raw image exported as a tiff from Silkypix (about 25% of the actual image)
ISO 640, 1/400s, f5.6
Battery is charging after I played for a little bit. Impressed with the build quality. Basic operation seems very straight forward. All the extra stuff will take some time in reading the manual and asking questions here.
My cameras always seem to come while I'm at work and my first shots are always in the dark.
ISO 1000 jpeg. No processing.
Just had a chance to play with the X10 so here are a few thoughts on my impressions:
- High ISO performance of this camera is best in class. I would say it's probably about a stop and a half over an LX5 as the ISO goes up
- The fact the camera could take an ISO 12800 shot and still keep overall tone and color is just phenomenal. It's not perfect but it works for many situations like web, etc.
- The two dials are stiff and click, good feel
- Camera is pretty solid
- The lens seems to me phenomenal. Again, best in class. It seems to have this "micro contrast" thing going on that captures tones well and on mildly resized shots that are even higher ISO, the shots have this DSLR aspect to them.
- As always, Fujifilm JPEG engine is best in class and they exceeded what I have seen them do with the EXR sensor when shooting at native resolution where it tends to become a bit of a resolution softness.
- The camera to me does pass the camera in jeans pocket test. Maybe a tight fit sitting down but it does.
- I honestly found the camera complicated interface wise and I think I need to explain a bit- I don't mean "oh I am only using it for five minutes complicated". I mean like the whole usability of the UI/buttons combined with the attempt at retro feels mixed. I believe the X100 was commented by some for the same.
Personally I think Fuji in going retro to basics should have done a more basic barebones interface and set of options. I honestly find the Pentax Q ergonomics far more photographer centric. Another example would be the Sigma DPx series. The Sigma in particular is very to the point.
Here is a jpeg straight from the camera. EXR mode "Dynamic Range" setting (6MP).
f5.6, 1/105s/ ISO 640
Colors are good. Could use some more sharpening, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Interface is different to what I'm used to.
So, that means ISO, EV, A or S, AE/AF lock, move the AF area, change the drive mode, change the exposure (spot/multi) are all simple and intuitive. That is 99% the way I shoot.
What will take a bunch of time and is confusing are the different EXR type modes and how to in a simple way take advantage of them. I'm going to try and save two of those as the custom modes.
So, as people figure out (what I consider) the confusing stuff, please post it here.
p.s. it will take me a short while to program my brain to remember to use the +/- keys to enlarge a shot. I've had other cameras like this before and liked it that way.
The camera is all aspects feels faster than the X100.
EXR mode "DR" setting, 1/200s, f2, ISO 100. Jpeg straight from camera.
In the very harsh early morning fall light the DR mode works really well
Unprocessed raw image: f5.6, 1/2000s, IS0 640
shadow detail is nice - hope you can see it.
Kai at DigitalRev has his review posted. Entertaining as usual.
I later a link that isn't working. Will edit again when I get home.
In the meantime you can get to it this way:
I just posted the rest of the ISO test images in this subforum.
It just occured to me how the manual zoom affects the handling of this camera. Whereas mainstream compacts can be used one-handed even if you want to change focal length, the X10 is more of a two-handed camera. Not necessarily a bad thing, and it ties in with using the OVF.
Question to owners: How is the viewfinder so far? Keith can you compare to Canon G9/G10? I have this sour relationship with my G11, still sorely disappointed over the OVF. If I would sell it then now is the time as I get a better price in Europe, moving to California in three weeks.
The x10 OVF is a very positive experience after the G9/G10. With the Canons the OVF was so bad I found myself not using it. I guess that after 3 days of use I am using the OVF most of the time
It's a similar experience to the classic fixed lens rangefinder such as the Canonet QL17, which I have in front of me. The X10 OVF is a titch smaller but much brighter.
This is one of the main reasons I bought the camera. I'm not a "hold the cam at arms length to focus and frame" kind of person. I use an EVF on my other cameras, and this Fuji is more immediate, even though it doesn't show any information.
Yep I only used the G11 finder once.
One advantage (in theory) with using an OVF over arms-length shooting style is stability in terms of holding camera against your eyebrow, I'm sure it's possible to gain one to three stops in long-exposure stability. Another advantage with (an adjustable) OVF is no need for reading glasses when shooting.
I've just come back from a walk with the camera. I found this method of framing and focusing very useful.
Use the OVF to do a rough frame and adjust the zoom (the camera will be against your eye). Bring the camera away from your face a bit so you can see the LCD - the central focus square will be quite easy to see. Move the camera to get the square on your focus point - then half press and listen for the beep. Bring back to your eye, do the final frame and shoot. After a few tries I found this to be very quick.
Of course you don't need this refinement if the subject is big enough to gauge accurately through the OVF center point.
I used this focusing method on the horizontal log in this image taken at f2.8. Might have been difficult with the OVF alone.
f2.8, 1/600s, ISO 400 EXR DR mode
Had the first time to shoot the X10 (owned by a fiend). Did not use Raw so far.
- feels solid
- AEB is very fast
- Have A-Priority and here handling is easy
- OVF is nice and bright yet not precise
- ISO not bad
- Fuji has one winner more (I was not a fan of the X100 mainly due to the lens limitation)
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Just lovely Uwe---need I say 'as always'.. I've been thinking of this one to replace my husband's G9 (and I could borrow it LOL).
Michael Reichmann is impressed, had only a few minor criticisms: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...ressions.shtml. He is, understandably, waiting for the next version of Lightroom before shooting RAW.
He misses the lack of focus confirmation in the viewfinder, but I think if one listens to the beep that should overcome the problem.
The X10 is in a different league.
>He misses the lack of focus confirmation in the viewfinder, but I think if one listens to the beep that should overcome the problem.
This + some basic info. But overall I am impressed too. If Fuji puts this experience into their mirror-less camera that will be something. I will buy the X10 and can see it the last P&S camera for a long time. The experience starts with a great feel.
Some more images can be found here:
I had the DLux4 for a while. Reviewing those images, the IQ of the X10 is better (less noise)
The X10 is a different shooting experience. The optical viewfinder will mean that you can get images easily in bright sun - I had trouble with the DLux4 LCD in bright sun. Also you can assume a normal viewing stance with the camera up to the eye.
I prefer the manual zoom (also larger zoom range) and ergonomics, but the X10 is significantly larger, you may want to try it before you buy. Build quality about the same.
Although the DLux4 is lovely, I would take the X10 given a choice
G11 sold will get a replacement after the holidays. Whether that is an X10 or perhaps one of the m43 models remains to be seen - I'm sure I am willing to sacrifice some pocketability for better photography experience.
I love the left buttons....perhaps because I'm left handed and they feel like they are in a great spot for me.
I really have no idea what the issue is with the PowerShot dial. That dial is truly only used if you want it to be used. I've just gone back and looked at the manual again and i can confirm that the top command dial and the sub command dial can be used interchangeably. I went through every instance that the sub command dial is mentioned in the manual and can confirm the only time you use that dial is for manual focus. I haven't yet used the dial you hate except to manually focus but this is really not a manual focus camera.
Terry, what I hate about that dial (in all its forms, and that means all cameras that have it) is that you have a cross of buttons (four) and then the dial. In pretty much all the cameras that have said dial if you press the buttons you get a tactile feel of spinning that wheel.
And if you spin the wheel you may press a button. When you don't, it just feels as if you are walking on the edge of pressing the other. It's just an interface I think it's not really ideal. Fuji is hardly the only one.
I'm normally not one for buying newly released gear, but this time I couldn't help myself. My X10 should be here tomorrow.
I've taken more than a year off from photography and have found myself reluctant to pick up the film Leica gear again - the workflow is more trouble than it's worth and I have no intention of setting up a wet darkroom again. (I've been shooting BW400CN or XP2, having it scanned commercially, and then post at home.)
I can't justify or afford an M9, M8, RD or even an X100 right now, so I'm going to give this little box a try for my urban stuff. I think it'll work out fine.
Adobe has release candidates up for ACR and LR and they don't support X10 RAW files.
>is that you have a cross of buttons (four) and then the dial. In pretty much all the cameras that have said dial if you press the buttons you get a tactile feel of spinning that wheel.
Don't like this either but live with it :-)
>Adobe has release candidates up for ACR and LR and they don't support X10 RAW files.
Too bad. This is also often a sign how well a company works with Adobe (getting them a camera and specs).
As far as i recall from building raw converters a few years ago, SuperCCD raw files have a diagonal layout that the raw converter has to handle in a different way than a straight Bayer layout.
You can see the layout in the LuLa review
The two sensor types have in common that in high DR mode, two sets of sensor cells are exposed differently to achieve the extra DR.
Haha.. well if I get the X10, yes, I will put up with it ;-) But my god I hate it. The first cameras that had this if I remember correctly where the Canons.Don't like this either but live with it :-)
I've just sold all my small sensor cameras on ebay.
It's like a weight off my mind, now I don't have to feel guilty about not using them anymore.
. . . . if I get tempted again, I'll just compare the size with a NEX 5n!
NEX 5n compared to X10
p.s. thanks Terry for setting me freeeeeeeeeeee
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On the X10 then you get the vertical row of buttons on the left. The problem: hard to hold the camera without touching on *some* buttons, and if you are touching on that wheel, ay.
I may still go for it, but still mulling this. Or maybe just wait. Next year the successor of the LX5 should be interesting (unless Panasonic screws up), and Pentax is to announce something new next year to "plug a hole" in the line.
My fear is that that could be either a FF camera (I doubt it), or a built in lens, larger sensor camera - which is fine but if it doesn't fit in a pocket, it's a no go.
I was surprised the X10 does. That's huge ++ for it.
Interesting thought of the day:
Could you shoot a wedding on an X10? I am getting a hunch you could. The only huge cons I am seeing in it is that battery life (which means just carry a load of them). And if you could do that, could I be happy selling my Pentax and keep only ONE camera.. the X10?
This is my latest crazy thought.
I thought about looking on brandon's Blog to see what he has done with the X10 but just hadn't gotten there until now. He works for Fuji and had a lot of good blog entries when the X100 came out. He was also able to answer some questions on the X100 forum. I can't link directly to the blog you need to go to the main site and select it. His last 5 plus entries cover his shooting with the X10