BTW full marketing blurb here, in case you missed it:
BTW full marketing blurb here, in case you missed it:
But I think cost is a more compelling reason for the camera to do well. There is obviously a demand for this type of form factor (I will not call this a rangefinder) and Leica is out of reach for many folks and the more reasonable options are not ideal. I think Fuji has done a fine job of bring this type of simple camera to an appreciative audience, yet still a limited market--the other mirrorless systems are really trying for a broader consumer base where Fuji is looking at enthusiasts.
But like you, if I had a M9, I could not see using this except perhaps as a backup body for when the elephant steps on my camera or an economical second body, perhaps for longer focal lengths. But I would want to make sure the images have a similar feel (color, contrast, etc.) so they will blend in a body of work. If I was starting out to put together a primary system, I would certainly look at this as a possible choice instead of a Leica or DSLR, especially since a Leica budget could go a long way with this system.
Call me a heathen, but I prefer plastic lens hoods. They are better protection for a lens, lighter, and easier to take care of and replace.
Why better protection?
One disappointing thing is the lack of an adjustable diopter correction in the viewfinder...you'll have to get the old screw-in kind to adjust for your vision.
Vivek posted a link in a separate thread to a low preorder price for body+35 at Expansys, here is the link to the UK listing (£1079):
BJP published a figure of £999 which is probably the dealer price after the early buyers have gone! Also £450-500 for the lenses which makes it kind of interesting....if there is any left after the rush!
I wonder if Fuji UK's dealers have a buy back policy for X100's! Which also makes me wonder how long it will be before the X Pro 2 is on sale!
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[QUOTE=Shashin;380014]Personally, I use my primary system, so a second system simply sits unused. The idea of a second system just turns me into a camera collector as I rarely use it for important work and simply get snapshots with it and maybe the occasional video.
Once you have established your primary system (hopefully one that fits your typical requirements ).....everything becomes a question of why? Then the systems are evaluated in terms of what else they can bring to your equipment capabilities . My primary system is built around 2 m9 bodies .
But I also have Nikon D3s/x and the big telephotos ....not because they are better than my M9s ..but because they provide capabilities I feel I need to shoot surfing,polo,baseball,tennis etc.
Same logic for MF ....you can shoot great landscapes with an M9 but MF will generally produce better results .
Certainly a fair POV to contrast the XPRO 1 to all the usual and unusual alternatives and work towards a solution as a primary system (it looks like a winner) ...my comments were more related to the discussion of the Nex 7 and the use of a XP1 as an addition to an M kit .
DPreview publishes a price of $1700 with the lenses around $600. Perhaps it will be more expensive in the States. When I bought my Mamiya 6 in Japan, it was $1200 with the 75mm--that was the body price in the States.
I call my A77 a back-up to my A900 but these days it's usually the other way around. Back-up because each can use the full frame lenses should a camera fail unexpectedy...it does happen but the A77 also makes a very nice 1.5 converter as well!
In the USA which dealers are taking pre orders. I missed the amazon offering.
Steven, see my link in the B/S forum for pre-orders.
This video is pretty impressive...shutter seems quiet, operation seems very quick...
I'm hoping very close to M9 quality for at least 1/5th the price.
Don't get me wrong having owned a M9 which I thought was great and still kicking myself for selling it, yet I wanted to go MF so I needed the funds.
I still have a NEX-7 on order from Amazon, but I think I'm going to cancel it.
I would rather have 16mp no AA filter over 24mp, and have to still purchase all m mount lenss and not great WA performance.
Kit, oh well Looks like it takes standards diopter screw on's
Doesn't matter for me, my vision is so bad to start with, I hope the AF performs decently,
Speed is not supper critical to me, bu accuracy is....
When you say PITA is that pain in the you know what?....
The X100 is still certainly great. To me the X1 Pro, given excellent image quality like many cameras, is about the lenses they are coming out with, the usability which seem further better thought out and key will be if the camera responds fast to state changes/settings and the like.Oh well, the X100 still works great - and maybe we'll see that long awaited final firmware release given all the feedback which seems to have gone into the X-Pro 1.
Not sure if FF is really any longer a requirement for a state of the art flexible system with high IQ. Sensor technology is improving and APSC offers already outstanding IQ and resolution, can actually be expected to get up into the 24MP range mainstream. So FF would require in many cases larger lenses, which would be a drawback then again.
In my view FF is becoming the new MFD, while APSC is becoming FF and MFD is getting up into the Tech Cam areas - just MHO.
Many things about this camera/system look great. The lenses are appealing, even though the focal length range of the initial range is not my cup of tea. If the 23 and 14 were available, I'd be a bit more interested.
The X100 viewfinder is nice, but since, as mentioned before, you have to trust what the camera is doing in AF with little control, and MF is about the same, I sure hope Fuji has this sorted out better. AF had better be faster than on the X100 as well.
Fly by wire focussing is a downer even if the other aspects of MF are improved.
This camera might well appeal to those who have been calling for an AF, live view, and video Leica M. Having shot Leicas for 50 years, my interest is more in having a camera that is fast, responsive and doesn't get in the way. AF and Live view don't necessarily help here, but fast focussing (manual or AF) and a large buffer and fast processor do.
For Live view or SLR type viewing, I use FF Canons and m4/3 cameras, depending on the conditions, but for the type of shooting that the M9 is good for, the Fuji Pro might or might not be good. We don't have enough information yet. Meanwhile, I'm hoping that Photokina will bring us a better M; especially one with a larger buffer and faster processing. Otherwise the M9 is exactly what it should be, excepting always the price.
I forgot to mention that a number of the lenses for the Fuji Pro will be manufactured by Cosina, so make of that what you will. Cosina certainly has the capability to produce very high quality optics, so that is not a negative.
Yes!When you say PITA is that pain in the you know what?....
And regarding AF speed, etc., I just want the 'normal' lens (the 35) and the M-mount. All the lovely CV lenses I will have by then will work as well, or better one hopes, than on the GXR (which is impressing me in many ways, I have to say, talking here about ergonomics and control flexibility). But more of that later.
Godfrey - GDGPhoto Flickr Stream
Yeah the AF didn't seem all that fast, but then Fuji has about 1 more month to release. The response to everything else seems fast and the fact you can shoot raw and carry on the way they did is a good sign (and that was RAW+ JPEG).
Looking good, ticking most of the right boxes, but too large. Is it the OVF, or should the same body host a FF in a next generation model? I hoped for a Leica CL sized camera. As far as body size is concerned, I prefer the NEX 7, and for lens offerings and size the Fuji. Why can't camera makers get it right with body and lenses at the same time. Waiting for September and Leica.
It even looks like a real camera. I like that.
FF rangefinder=Leica M9, and I think it will most likely be that way for at least the near future. For Fuji or anyone else to come up with a small package FF camera would be cost prohibitive because of lens design. Hence the reason Leica glass is so expensive.
Wll the new Fuji produce IQ as good as a Leica, probably not, though I think it will be close.
Let's get real, an M9 and a 50mm summilux costs 11k, the Fuji with the 35mm F1.4 will be under 2500 4.5x less.
If you are getting into real high IQ needs neither - Fuji nor Leica M9 - will be the best choice, then you will have to go MF - but that should be a different story.
Sample images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/2670622...th/6659768125/
The same person has a few full sized images here:
This one, to me, is the first impressive example: