Hardly ever used the feature, however. ;-)
A few separate discussions going on here - the product itself, each individual's needs/wants, and Fuji's market positioning with the product.
Market-wise I think Fuji has found/created a niche to fill - there is no obvious competitor in the same price range. Perhaps the MFT and NEX cameras are comparable, but at the same time they are different.
Regarding my own want and needs, well, I have to say that the Xpro1 seems attractive so far. But it doesn't replace my Nikon, and as a complement to my Nikon DSLR, hmm... MFT cameras like the GX1 are a lot cheaper and smaller (although camera body weight is pretty close). It's going to be a while before I would consider getting an Xpro1. Image quality would be the one persuasive factor to change my mind in that regard.
The key still is the IQ because of the hype. If that is even close to the truth, that does it for me.
I find the mirrorless interchangeable cameras that sport an EVF useful despite their unergonomic designs. That appears to be another plus for the Fuji cam.
of photographers that due to different reasons and needs shoot Jpeg. For you it's irrelevant and thats fine too.
Consider that the Nikon $8,000 USD d3x has jpegs with custom uploadable curves. There are reasons for that and it's not because soccer moms are using it.
So fuji doing this is great since they make a lot of the film used by pros. The addition of two pro film simualtions in addition to the previous three is only welcome. You can just ignore that feature. Win win.
Btw, when I post something, it is out of my own free will. I do not speak for anyone else.
I assume others do too!
That's fine but when someone says "one would" sounds like he or she are getting to speak for the needs and wants of others without a clear separation of individual needs and preferences. Hence my speak for yourself comment.Btw, when I post something, it is out of my own free will. I do not speak for anyone else.
I assume others do too!
It is not a simple matter of Jpeg output when shooting with a profile. For a given profile and WB an exposure is made (assuming anything other than manual mode is used for exposure). That affects a lot of things in an image.
As for your interpretation of how I word a sentence, I can not do anything about it.
To me, the Fuji X-Pro1 looks like a great camera and I'm sure it will make great photographs.
However, it's not the camera I want, not because of any particular deficiency or performance issue, but because I want a simpler design with less stuff in it. I don't care about AF, rather have a rangefinder since I already have an excellent TTL electronic camera AND an excellent optical SLR camera. I want to use my existing lens kit without need to buy into yet-another-lens-line to get the most out of the camera. I don't need motion capture or multi-mode metering or film simulations or many of the other features of the X-Pro1—whether they're good or not is irrelevant. My other cameras have all that stuff and I use it only very occasionally. To me, they pose a distraction just by being there for what I'm after at the moment.
Whatever other issues I might find with the Fuji, whether ergonomic or menu complexity, or handling feel, or balance ... they're all secondary to what I'm working towards right now, which is a simpler tool, less distraction with the tool, and more concentration on the photography itself.
Something as simple and distraction free as an M4-2 is impossible in the digital camera world, but I'm going to get as close to that as I possibly can for my next camera purchase ... which will likely be my last for a good, long time to come.
@ Godfrey - IMHO I think the jpgs from the GXR are particularly good also. Have you found this or looked at them after doing a RAW comparision?
Does this price ($1700) include a lens?
I have ordered mine with just the 35 and the M-mount—'nuff said.
Though, is it true that it will not have focus peaking??? That might be a deal killer, unless there's some other focussing magic
Actually you can. You can say that's not what you meant. :-) It's cool.As for your interpretation of how I word a sentence, I can not do anything about it.
I have shot with many of Fuji's films (Gifted away the last few cartons of Velvia a long while to a friend) under various conditions. If I "deride" and equipment/tool, it is my prerogative based on my own experience. If you or anyone else take that personally, it is not my problem!
Again, I post for myself and if you choose to interpret what I post according your taste, I can not do much about it. But, I do not think it is kosher to post something interpreting what I posted.
Once again, I said it was cool and not an issue. I am focusing on the statement itself and yes, I think knocking down the Fuji on an aspect you don't use nor don't care when the camera doesn't seem to get in the way when you don't care about that aspect is kinda silly. That's just an opinion on yours, not "taking things personally."Again, I post for myself and if you choose to interpret what I post according your taste, I can not do much about it. But, I do not think it is kosher to post something interpreting what I posted.
Just because a feature isn't for me doesn't mean that I think it's useless or silly for a company to include in. It seems to me that you think it's Fuji's waste of time in a camera in this category, but I am pointing out that pretty much every manufacturer, including with high end models, does care about JPEG modes and that there are reasons for it. Normal conversation.
I welcome any corrections to any misinterpretations.
And as for the 'satisfy' quip, try not to take a camera personally, objectively there is no fast portrait lens, period. Therefore two wedding photographers here have already said here that the system is lacking for wedding photography as practiced today unlike what Fuji seems to be marketing it as. Why are you trying to argue that fact and why are you taking it personally?
I am not a painter, nor an artist. Therefore I can see straight, and that may be my undoing. - Alfred Stieglitz
if $1700. does not include a lens, Fuji may be aiming too high for me.
Lens and body $ 2350 seems kind of steep to me especially if we are beta testers??????????
Fuji may be on to something with their new sensor. I attended an Ophthalmic Imaging Symposium yesterday where lots of research papers were discussed. One of them involved a new high resolution imaging technique which was able to image the various cones in the fovea, and with the use of special dyes were able to indicate the red, green, and blue cones. They were completely random in arrangement much like color film. So Fuji may be on to something with increased randomization of colored pixels in the sensor. After all, humans don't need an anti aliasing filter.
For those concerned about about AF speed this video clip might help with that and also a few other things.
This interview: http://tinyurl.com/7r5dyql and others I've seen with Ms. Baker leaves me wondering.
Mainly, wondering why Fuji would leave such an important product announcement and interviews in the hands of someone who really doesn't understand very much of what is going on in a camera. The part about register, back focus and telecentricity is just silly.
I hope the camera matches enough of the hype that some people will feel satisfied, but since I know a large number of early adopters of the X100 who have sold or are trying to sell their cameras with expectations not met, I fear that at the price point of the Pro, there will be a lot more.
They better have that whole MF thing worked out well.
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Personally, it's my experience WITH the X100 to date that had me pre-order the X Pro1 system. Fuji have nothing but impress me with their recent cameras which appear to be designed by camera users rather than computer programmers.
+1Personally, it's my experience WITH the X100 to date that had me pre-order the X Pro1 system. Fuji have nothing but impress me with their recent cameras which appear to be designed by camera users rather than computer programmers.
And that on the back of the SPro series; Fuji gets colour. I did not like the S5Pro's interface for fast work (reviewing images was a total PITA) but the X-100 images and interface worked for me (including the allegedly easy-to-bump exp. comp. dial—it never moved by itself when I was shooting!) and the IQ is superb, IMHO.
I have one of the new ones on pre-order, but only with the 35/1.4 and the M-mount. If it handles UWAs well, then I will shift across; if not, I will stick with the GXR-M which (surprisingly for me) continues to impress.
I hope there are more disappointed early adopters of the X-Pro1 so I can help them with their disappointment
>I know if I only have one lens to work with, I want it a bit longer.
Yes, and for me that lens would be a zoom :-). Lets wait to see how good the X Pro1 image quality is in comparison to the NEX-7.
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The IQ and DR are THE most important things for me as far as the X Pro 1 is concerned. I've just not seen enough photos from this camera (taken by someone who knows what they are doing) to make me get in line to buy one.
Fuji color is great but the IQ is much more important to me than the color as color can be tweaked in post.. IQ & DR is what it is out of the camera.
True Jim, but I'm guessing that many Leica owners will also want to know how well the body will support manually focusing for use with their lenses.
Personally, I'm very interested in the best IQ possible from this sensor in competent hands.
One more linky:
Vlad Dodan: http://vladdodan.ro/blog/fuji-x-pro-1-hands-on-preview/
All I want is for someone to be able to adapt these lenses to the NEX body.
WOW. The "Fun with the X-Pro1" thread is seven pages long and no one has bought on yet!
The only thing I have on this computer is a granite thin section--color is from DIC (Differential Interference Contrast) technique, granite can be rather dull otherwise. But that is probably of little interest to the X-Pro! crowd.
Thanks for that!
This is really lovely!
The granite mosaic image is fine as well although it rings no bells for me.
I would rather not characterize anyone (including yourself) who have posted in this thread. It isn't a crowd and if you had read through the posts you yourself have answered to, you would know that it is certainly not an X Pro 1 crowd.
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