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    Do you people have any idea how hard it is to look at these photos from the X-Pro1 and not hit the order button? Do you have any idea what this is doing to my will power meter?

    I swore I would not order another camera before it had been out in the real world for several months (all due to the X10 issues I suffered) and coming to this forum (and others) is really making things difficult for me.

    It's like Dr. Strangelove... trying to keep that hand under control... in my case trying to keep it from hitting the order button... ARRRRRGGH!!

    Great photos all, love the color, love the DR, love the contrast and sharpness of what the X-Pro1 is producing.. In case anyone thinks I really hate you... no, just jealous... Show me more... go ahead and twist my arm.

    Only negative I have heard is in regards to the AF.. a bit slow.. and it gets worse with low light... I hate it when that happens.
    LOL
    Jim you made me laugh for real

    I bought the X1PRO with the 35mm and I bought some weeks after the 18mm.

    The AF of the latter one is significantly faster, so I hope that future lenses will have an AF more similar to the 18mm than the 35.

    Having said that, I can't say the AF of the X1 is this terrible thing.
    It is certainly not the one of the D700.

    I have really appreciated what the author of this blog says about the X1 Come to think of it...: X-Pro 1 Tips and Tricks: The Basics

    He is quite honest.


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    Jim

    The best bit is that it quietly talks (some call it chatter) to you whilst out shooting, like having a built-in photographic 'wise one' directing you to your next shot.

    Those that dismiss this as aimless, intrusive 'chatter' are clearly not on the same wavelength with and not yet 'at one' with their Fuji ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphie View Post
    Jolly

    Great stuff, I love those vertical orientation alley shots - how are you finding the camera generally?

    Lee
    I like the camera, love the shape and i bought the grip.

    They should update the firmware to make the Auto-Iso more useful as they did with the X100.

    Usually I never buy a camera if the camera has not been on the market for at least 6 months. I did an exception.

    I would have loved that my fav focals could come out immediately
    (the equivalent on FF of a 35-42 mm) but, as you know, you can't always get what you want.

    I have to wait for the

    28mm f/2.8 pancake
    23mm f/2.0


    (come on Fuji ...)




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    The Fuji X-Pro 1 and 35 just arrived today. A few quick first shots around the garden and a comparison of the 35 with the MF Contax G 45.

    The garden frog and I are still not sure



    Some OOF yellow bokeh



    Rusty lantern



    Two scenes shot with both the Fuji 35 1.4 and The Contax G 45mm f/2 Planar. Not a rigorous comparison with varying settings, but just a quick feel for MF on the XP1. Very difficult to focus in magnified view handheld (all of these shots) because of the jittery EVF display and ghosting. This really needs to be fixed to make the XP1 a viable MF camera. The images were not resized so just links to the full size images.

    Scene1
    Fuji 35

    Contax 45


    Scene 2
    Fuji 35

    Contax 45

    The Contax 45 was mounted to the XP1 with a Kipon adapter that worked well (smooth focus and no binding), but not ideal due to close proximity of focus ring to the mount base. I don't know if I'm seeing just jpeg compression or in camera noise reduction (thought it was off) in these full size images, so waiting to look at raw image results when LR and C1 provide support.
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    It's funny, one of the reasons I liked the X100 so much was its fixed lens that meant I didn't need to have any lens buying addiction, nor need to have to think about which lens to use. Now I have an X-Pro 1 with just the 35mm but can see myself getting the 18mm too, once I have sold my Pentax K5.

    AF is fine for me but most of my subjects don't move very fast ...

    Just one more from me to help put Jim and others out of their misery. This was in Velvia mode, though I use it sparingly as I think the pictures are somehow not as sharp as Provia - and I think it's more than just a contrast thing.



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    Sorry to point you at DPR but you might want to see the 2nd dog shot here:

    XPRO 1 = Homerun: Fujifilm SLR/X100 Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

    And I am a 'cat person'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post

    Very difficult to focus in magnified view handheld (all of these shots) because of the jittery EVF display and ghosting. This really needs to be fixed to make the XP1 a viable MF camera.
    Carl, Would it improve (ie., the ghosting) if you tape up the OVF on the front?

    What do you mean "jittery"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Carl, Would it improve (ie., the ghosting) if you tape up the OVF on the front?

    What do you mean "jittery"?
    I think what he might be talking about is a slower refresh rate on the EVF than we have with m4/3 and Sony and the movement is faster than the refresh.

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    Thanks, Terry.

    That IS a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I think what he might be talking about is a slower refresh rate on the EVF than we have with m4/3 and Sony and the movement is faster than the refresh.
    Exactly. If you can hold the camera very steady it is OK, as it would be on a tripod.
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    re: Fun with the Fuji X ___!

    OK,
    Mine is here....of course I got home well after dark which meant I got to play with iso 25,600.

    I'm kind of in lust . I've used a lot of different cameras and I will say this camera has a great control layout for me. No, focus is nowhere near what m4/3 can do .

    I think this is going to be fun .

    I think this ices any thoughts of the OMD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    OK,
    Mine is here....of course I got home well after dark which meant I got to play with iso 25,600.
    I expect full disclosure from you... samples, Etc.. looking forward to your thoughts and photos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Radcliffe View Post
    I expect full disclosure from you... samples, Etc.. looking forward to your thoughts and photos.
    +1

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    Over the weekend I should have some results.





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    with the 60mm


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    Congratulations Terry, I'll be keen to see your impressions.

    I sort of wish they'd brought a 23mm lens out with the X-Pro 1... maybe they want to ensure a strong market for an X100 successor? (wishful thinking)

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    I'm not sure if this proves anything at all, all this seems old hat now, certainly since the K5 appeared. Anyway, first is SOOC JPEG, set to auto-dr, so was ISO 800 for the camera to preserve highlights and bump up the shadows. The second is with the LR4 Shadows slider at 100%.





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    the moon

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    The Fuji X-Pro 1 and 35 just arrived today. A few quick first shots around the garden and a comparison of the 35 with the MF Contax G 45.

    Two scenes shot with both the Fuji 35 1.4 and The Contax G 45mm f/2 Planar. Not a rigorous comparison with varying settings, but just a quick feel for MF on the XP1. Very difficult to focus in magnified view handheld (all of these shots) because of the jittery EVF display and ghosting. This really needs to be fixed to make the XP1 a viable MF camera. The images were not resized so just links to the full size images.

    Scene1
    Fuji 35

    Contax 45


    Scene 2
    Fuji 35

    Contax 45

    The Contax 45 was mounted to the XP1 with a Kipon adapter that worked well (smooth focus and no binding), but not ideal due to close proximity of focus ring to the mount base. I don't know if I'm seeing just jpeg compression or in camera noise reduction (thought it was off) in these full size images, so waiting to look at raw image results when LR and C1 provide support.
    Added a few more shots today taken with the Contax G 35mm f/2 Planar for comparison with above. This one is a link to the full size image of Scene 2 above that was shot yesterday with both the Fujinon 35 1.4 and Contax G 4 f/2.:
    _DSF0074.jpg photo - Carl Schofield photos at pbase.com

    A mirror shot of the Contax G 35 Planar on the X-Pro1. Not quite as sharp as the Fujinon, but still draws nicely and easy to handle and focus on the X-Pro1. So far I've used the 35, 45, and 90 mm Contax G lenses on the XP1 w/o any image quality problems evident. Unfortunately, I can't mount the 28mm Biogon using the Kipon adapter because the rear element protrudes past the back of the adapter when focused at infinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Mosley View Post
    Congratulations Terry, I'll be keen to see your impressions.

    I sort of wish they'd brought a 23mm lens out with the X-Pro 1... maybe they want to ensure a strong market for an X100 successor? (wishful thinking)

    Brian

    Or maybe they see X Pro1 customers buying an X100 as a backup to let X100 stocks run down.

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    My E-M5 arrived to Bangkok yesterday but it was a national holiday and with this long break, FedEx plan to deliver it to me on the 10th. Will call them this morning and ask them to deliver it today. Dam, tomorrow is my birthday, they should know I'm not good at doing A vs B but it is interesting to compare Pro-1 with E-M5 in various shooting conditions. Anyone here thinking of getting either Pro-1 or E-M5?

    On another note, anyone here notices that X100's focus is a fraction faster than Pro-1 after upgrading firmware to 1.2 (haven't tried 1.21 yet)?
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    Thanks Carl for the comparison shots with the Contax G lenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    Thanks Carl for the comparison shots with the Contax G lenses.
    You are welcome Robert. Do you know if the 28mm is converted to M mount if it would be possible to mount it on the XP1 with an M adapter or is the rear lens element protrusion still going to be a problem?
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    My guess is that it will fit once converted. What is the obstruction, the rear element 'ears' on the back of the lens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scho View Post
    A mirror shot of the Contax G 35 Planar on the X-Pro1. Not quite as sharp as the Fujinon, but still draws nicely and easy to handle and focus on the X-Pro1.
    Looks great, Carl!

    I did not realize how much wiser you are in person as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monza View Post
    My guess is that it will fit once converted. What is the obstruction, the rear element 'ears' on the back of the lens?
    No, the tabs were removed when I used the lens on m43. The rear element protrudes beyond the base of the adapter by about 3-4 mm. I don't know what distance is acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Looks great, Carl!

    I did not realize how much wiser you are in person as well.
    I was trying to hide behind the camera
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    OK, I decided that it might be OK to use the Contax G 28mm Biogon on the XP1 if I stayed away from inf focus position. Does anyone know what the distance is from the closed shutter to the lens mount? Here are a few mid-range shots taken this afternoon with the Contax G 28mm f/2.8 Biogon on the XP1, all at f/8. There is a little bit of corner/edge smearing, some CA, and very slight cyan vignetting, but I could probably take care of this with the raws w/o much effort.





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    With respect, your loss, my gain but I agree, each to their own. Check out David's blog

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    Do you people have any idea how hard it is to look at these photos from the X-Pro1 and not hit the order button? Do you have any idea what this is doing to my will power meter?
    I don't see why honestly and saying this in general- why the release of a good camera like the X1-Pro should trigger a complete desire to buy from people with already excellent cameras baffles me at this point, if they are interested in photography that is. Maybe that's my mistake, that assumption.

    Seen long enough that a lot of same group that jumped from X to latest pen2, jumped to GH2/K-5's then Pen 3s, then now the EM-5 and X1 Pro. Oh what's on that horizon- the GH3? And later E-7 (yes, it's coming apparenlty) and EM-5 MKII. I am sure there will be some new super camera coming in 6-12 months to upgrade again. And again. And again. And again.

    All upgrades from cameras that were already fantastic. And sure, the X1 pro to me looks fantastic. I am very happy for Fuji as a company that finally they get some gold with their latest X cameras (orbies nowithstanding). It's what I wanted them to do over 5 years ago when I commented how their good direction of F700/F710/F810 got spoiled. I realize that my K-5 is still very much fantastic. Nothing to do with the K-5, all to do with why from having a fantastic camera go to a new fantastic camera.

    Waste of cash, and waste of photographic development. I see the same pictures taken with the other cameras. Lots of snaps, tests, and the same level of photography they had before for the most part.

    DR minutia on this new model, iso measurement on that situation, on another, and now that finally, the knowledge is there to just forget about the camera and think more photographically, a new camera comes along, upgrade, rinse/lather/repeat.

    Oh yeah, I have been there. Doesn't make it any less true.

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    Only negative I have heard is in regards to the AF.. a bit slow.. and it gets worse with low light... I hate it when that happens.
    I bet someone who keeps their X1 pro for at least three years if not more, and learns to work with that, will make that a non issue for them for the most part and "level up" their photography over doing the annual (bi-monthly?) switch. Every new super camera is bound to have some quirk.

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    Some people have fun with new cameras and that is part of their pleasure. Nothing wrong with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Some people have fun with new cameras and that is part of their pleasure. Nothing wrong with it.
    True. Likewise there are many (majority?) who seem to expect the new camera model to bring photographic redemption. It won't. :-)

    But all right, I agree with that you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    True. Likewise there are many (majority?) who seem to expect the new camera model to bring photographic redemption. It won't. :-)

    But all right, I agree with that you said.

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    . . . . so . . . can someone lend me an X1 Pro for a week or so

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    We had the Fuji X-Pro1 for this morning. All images from JPEG.







    -Great JPEGs, excellent truthful colors and good detail
    -Good lenses (at least the 35mm and 60mm)
    -ISO amazing
    -Sensor delivers and no AA filter seems to pay off
    -No IS in lenses yet
    -AF so-so (you can hear the slowish AF motor)
    -slow writing to card
    -No raw support in Lightroom yet
    -Still the raw files don't seem to be compressed
    -OVF is not very precise
    -EVF of but not great
    -No diopter for the viewfinder (but you can use screw-in corrections lenses)
    Auto-ISO can result in longer shutter speeds that may produce motion blur

    More images can be found here:

    http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/Imag...1GilroyLRE.jpg
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    Infrared with the XP1. Hoya R72 filter on the Fujinon 35 1.4. 30 sec exposure at f/8 ISO 200 (with long exp noise reduction on). Doable, but I'll probably stay with my dedicated NEX5-N IR for most infrared work. Open in new window for larger version.

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    Looks very nice, Carl!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Looks very nice, Carl!
    Thank you Vivek. I'm looking forward to raw image support for the XP1, although the jpegs out of this camera are pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ustein View Post
    We had the Fuji X-Pro1 for this morning. All images from JPEG.

    -Great JPEGs, excellent truthful colors and good detail
    -Good lenses (at least the 35mm and 60mm)
    -ISO amazing
    -Sensor delivers and no AA filter seems to pay off
    -No IS in lenses yet
    -AF so-so (you can hear the slowish AF motor)
    -slow writing to card
    -No raw support in Lightroom yet
    -Still the raw files don't seem to be compressed
    -OVF is not very precise
    -EVF of but not great
    -No diopter for the viewfinder (but you can use screw-in corrections lenses)
    Auto-ISO can result in longer shutter speeds that may produce motion blur

    More images can be found here:

    http://outbackphoto.smugmug.com/Imag...1GilroyLRE.jpg
    Very nice images Uwe and accurate synopsis of the XP1 good and bad points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raist3d View Post
    I don't see why honestly and saying this in general- why the release of a good camera like the X1-Pro should trigger a complete desire to buy from people with already excellent cameras baffles me at this point, if they are interested in photography that is. Maybe that's my mistake, that assumption.

    Seen long enough that a lot of same group that jumped from X to latest pen2, jumped to GH2/K-5's then Pen 3s, then now the EM-5 and X1 Pro. Oh what's on that horizon- the GH3? And later E-7 (yes, it's coming apparenlty) and EM-5 MKII. I am sure there will be some new super camera coming in 6-12 months to upgrade again. And again. And again. And again.

    ...

    I realize that my K-5 is still very much fantastic. Nothing to do with the K-5, all to do with why from having a fantastic camera go to a new fantastic camera.

    ....

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    I might be one of this set, though don't have it as bad as the others :-) My digicam era started with the Minolta Dimage 7 about 10 years ago and I thought it was a technological marvel and I took it everywhere and thought it was wonderful. In order after that: Pentax ist*D, Sony R1, Pentax K20D, Panasonic G1, Pentax K5, Panasonic GH2, Fuji X100 ...

    Can you spot a pattern? The Minolta may not compare with modern EVFs but it did really show you the exposure you would get and the histogram seemed accurate. But DSLRs were supposed to be 'better' and I already had some Pentax lenses. The first one was OK but I missed the EVF type view. The K20D could never give me consistent exposure and was always underexposing, so back to an EVF camera. I went *three years* (hurrah) with the G1 before buying another. Suddenly the K5 was supposed to be the answer to life the Universe and everything and it is an excellent camera and at the same time I was having issues with EVFs and preferred an optical view - maybe to do with my eyesight getting worse (age you know). The GH2 I had for about a month and sold it, I really didn't get on with it at all.

    The X100 - wow, what a beauty. I have had it since May last year. My K5 has been gathering dust ... and is up for sale (though I hate parting with stuff and may change my mind!). I think I have/had found the ideal - light, great lens, just *one* lens, great IQ, lovely retro look, feel, case. Superb OVF. I think I have taken better shots with it because it wants to be held and used and taken out.

    The X-Pro 1: I honestly wasn't going to do it but I went and held one. I feel guilty, like I have 'cheated' on my X100, like I know that the X100 is still evolving and she and me still haven't got to know each other fully yet. I certainly can't justify the expense and remember in the UK we can't just take kit back unless it is faulty. Yes, I do seem to keep shooting the same sort of subjects and if I looked at it rationally I should have stopped at the Panny G1.

    My GAS isn't new with digital - I had it with film cameras too ...

    I am not sure yet if I will get to love the X-Pro 1 as much as the X100 but I am going to have a good try.

    Life is short, time is short, time for having 'fun' is even shorter.

    Lee

    P.S. I need to resolve to stay away from all camera fora for a few years ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphie View Post

    Life is short, time is short, time for having 'fun' is even shorter.

    Lee

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    Lee, Keep posting the photos. I enjoy them. The X Pro 1 images (pretty much every single image posted by everyone) are quite decent to excellent. Amazing IQ!

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    I agree. I shouldn't be reading this forum LOL. Not that I plan to do anything about it now but down the road a bit its one to consider it looks like.

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    My first real outing with the camera. I went to the Japanese Tea Garden in SF. It only opens at 9 and there isn't much time before the sun gets harsh and there are too many people in the way. I have to get used to shooting primes again....although when I do that I seem to like to have two bodies. Mostly everything was taken with the 35mm. If I had to pick one of the three lenses or the X100 with the 24mm I would stick with the 35mm. I like my lenses either very wide or a little longer so the 35mm on a crop sensor suits me well.



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    Terry

    The images look great. How do you feel about the camera, the overall package, compared with others that you have experienced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    My first real outing with the camera. I went to the Japanese Tea Garden in SF. It only opens at 9 and there isn't much time before the sun gets harsh and there are too many people in the way. I have to get used to shooting primes again....although when I do that I seem to like to have two bodies. Mostly everything was taken with the 35mm. If I had to pick one of the three lenses or the X100 with the 24mm I would stick with the 35mm. I like my lenses either very wide or a little longer so the 35mm on a crop sensor suits me well. ]
    Terry,

    Very nice Tea Garden images with the XP1. I also prefer the 35 focal length (as compared to 24 for example) as a general purpose lens.
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    Lee -
    I feel good about the camera. It was really my first shoot with it. It will take some getting used to my flow with it. I know that doesn't sound very positive about the camera but with the dual OVF/EVF and macro setting switching around what you see through the viewfinder I need to get it all set up correctly with histogram etc. Now that I've really gone out shooting I can make those adjustments. It will take a bit to get used to the aperture on the lens. I keep going to the exposure comp wheel as it is positioned like the tri-navi wheels on Sony.
    Image quality is fantastic.
    Write speed is too slow if you want to review the histogram. Using class 10 will try a faster card.
    Need to deal with reformatting card....even iPad with camera connection adds something on the card which Fuji doesn't deal with and it takes 30 seconds to be ready to shoot if those hidden files are there. iPad won't read the card if you write protect it.

    As I think of more, I will add the info.

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    A few images taken on an Easter sunday excursion to nearby Keuka Lake and the small village of Hammondsport at the south end of the lake. All with the 35 1.4 on the XP1.

    Keuka Lake from Heron Hill vineyard


    Keuka Lake pano from 3 shots


    Church in Hammondsport


    Village Tavern (across the square from the church )
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    Terry,

    very nice shots. The colors rock.
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    Terry, lovely shots and just beautiful color.

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