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    Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    Just announced at Photokina 2016 - GFX 50S

    https://www.dpreview.com/news/841182...format-digital

    Camera with 6 lenses

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    Looks very impressive!
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    there goes my XT2 money. i love my tri-elmar (28-50) and sigma (28-50 eqv), so that zoom at F4 is perfect for my need.

    found some products shot on fuji rumors:

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    Quote Originally Posted by UHDR View Post
    there goes my XT2 money. i love my tri-elmar (28-50) and sigma (28-50 eqv), so that zoom at F4 is perfect for my need.

    found some products shot on fuji rumors:

    http://www.fuji-x-forum.de/gfx/Archiv.zip
    This camera and lenses look really great! Hard to resist

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    Definitely a great match or compliment for those that desire a larger sensor and are invested into the Fuji APS-C bodies. I'm curious about the flash sync speed and how many Phase detect points (if any) are on this body. I want to get into medium format personally so this is on the short list (along with the Hasselblad X1D/V1D) of cameras I'm interested in.
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    There are already some videos on Youtube about the GFX

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggikv6m8FNs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4wvnA4iO6s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHhAkirFH-Q

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    Re: Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    Interesting to see the prototype being shot tethered into Capture One too!
    Ylem ...
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    Some more details from slrlounge ....

    https://www.slrlounge.com/fuji-offic...amera-gfx-50s/
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    A very smart move from Fuji: avoid the overcrowded FF market segment and change the rules of the game.
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    I mentioned it recently as something that would be welcomed, and here it is! Now only Sony to jump the bandwagon and the consumer ends up being the big winner here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    I mentioned it recently as something that would be welcomed, and here it is! Now only Sony to jump the bandwagon and the consumer ends up being the big winner here.
    That would be my preference since I already have Sony stuff but I don't think Sony will anytime soon if ever.
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    If Sony makes another camera, who would make the lenses? Fuji jumping in with 6 announced lenses is great! I do not want to see a Sony unless it is priced around $3000/-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    If Sony makes another camera, who would make the lenses? Fuji jumping in with 6 announced lenses is great! I do not want to see a Sony unless it is priced around $3000/-
    Then you will never see one since the A99-2 is at that price point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    Then you will never see one since the A99-2 is at that price point.
    Great news!

    (Their non existent after sales service sucks big time. Great if they do not sell anything expensive.)

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    Re: Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    There are funny people everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    There are funny people everywhere.
    I do think he has a fair point. Sales will tell....

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    He does not have a point and he will (if he owns one) eat his hat soon for that ridiculous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    ...and he will (if he owns one) eat his hat soon for that ridiculous post.
    Why?

    Did you use already the X1D? What is wrong with that camera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4711 View Post
    Why?

    Did you use already the X1D? What is wrong with that camera?
    No (will never buy one either). Most (of everything).

    Likely buy the GFX.

    (If you like the XD1 there is thread on that in another section.)

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    Without leaf shutter lenses, for me, it kinda misses the advantage of MFD. High sync is a must. It's not the sexiest camera either. The Hasselblad mirrorless really is a nice design. Very much like a SWC body. Having shot with many Hasselblad H and Phase MFD, i think mirrorless is the future of digital photography, but i'm not convinced that Fuji is there...yet.

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    If your priority criteria for a photo camera is sexy instead of functionality, usability and reliability i can understand the disappointment.

    The last thing i get from a photo camera is a hard on but i guess that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jan View Post
    If your priority criteria for a photo camera is sexy instead of functionality, usability and reliability i can understand the disappointment.

    The last thing i get from a photo camera is a hard on but i guess that's just me.
    While having a "sexy" camera does seem to be a egotistical requirement, it does have its merits. I'm not sure of any pro shooter who invests in a camera system based on the "look" of a camera. As most know cameras are tools, but good-looking designs enhance the experience.

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    "Good looking" may enhance the fondling experience.

    Sort of a frizzon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    While having a "sexy" camera does seem to be a egotistical requirement, it does have its merits. I'm not sure of any pro shooter who invests in a camera system based on the "look" of a camera. As most know cameras are tools, but good-looking designs enhance the experience.
    Good point and taken, although I doubt that many will speak in the context of 'sexy'. The design is good, excellent, brilliant, whatever it is in the eye of the beholder. But sexy? And again, if this is your criteria to burn down a camera or system to the ground, well ....

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    What an uninformed prick. If he's looking for Fujifilm medium format DNA, here it is:



    I guess you cannot please all the people all the time. I love my GX680 and I'm sure I'd love this new camera even more. If I ever get into digital MF, I'm quite sure this will be it. I don't doubt for a second that when it comes to image quality, the GFX 50 will have Fuji DNA in spades. Great move, Fuji
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    What an uninformed prick. If he's looking for Fujifilm medium format DNA, here it is:
    SO true! Not to mention that he is already an XT1/XT2 shooter, and the GFX shares a LOT of styling with them.

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    Re: Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    Dprevs has an interesting interview:

    https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/...mat-mirrorless

    Fred at fredmiranda spotted the electronic and mechanical shutter options from that video.

    The e shutter can go from 30 to 1/32000s, it looks like.

    The info on the sensor (offset microlenses) is interesting as well.

    The LCD is like the one in the X-T2. Tiltable in many orientations.
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    I read somewhere that the EVF is 3.69 so not bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by algrove View Post
    I read somewhere that the EVF is 3.69 so not bad at all.
    I read that too... Seems like that may soon become the norm for the next generation of EVF cameras... I hope anyway as it seems we have been stuck with 2.36 dot EVF options the last few years. Not a revolutionary difference IMO in most cases but enough of a difference to tell something is different when comparing say a Leica SL to a A7 series EVF.
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    Here's another preview, from DigitalRev. Notice the pole towards the end. Cool device

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgWoz-e8oZk
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    The EVF has 3.69 MP resolution, which currently is only second to the Leica SL. Besides of resolution I assume that the EVF will at least be as superb as the one in the XT2. By far the best currently available on the market, again only topped by the Leica SL.

    I do not have the slightest doubt that this camera has the same great colors as the X cameras and I also cannot recognize where Fuji DNA or however you like to call it is missing.

    KUDOS for this great move by Fuji! Not sure if I would go back into the MFD market again, but if I would decide so one day, this GFX system would most likely be my choice by far!
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    Re: Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    What an uninformed prick. If he's looking for Fujifilm medium format DNA, here it is:



    I guess you cannot please all the people all the time. I love my GX680 and I'm sure I'd love this new camera even more. If I ever get into digital MF, I'm quite sure this will be it. I don't doubt for a second that when it comes to image quality, the GFX 50 will have Fuji DNA in spades. Great move, Fuji
    All due respect ... the Fuji studio camera, while great, is hardly their true Medium Format DNA. When I think of Fuji, I think of all the highly portable MF cameras they made ... like this, as one example:

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    BTW, I know Dirk from years ago when his forum was one of the better places to discuss photography, and he is neither "uninformed" nor a "prick".

    Personally, given my druthers, I'd like a camera to also look good, but not at the expense of working well. After all, we are supposed to be "visually oriented".

    This camera has some very attractive, even compelling, features. Love that the lenses will have aperture rings ... and they have a 100/2 in the pipeline!

    I'm one that requires high sync speeds, so it is not specifically a camera for me ... but I sure do think it to be a terrific addition to the MFD world since more competition means more for the consumer with less costs.

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    He sure is "funny".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    All due respect ... the Fuji studio camera, while great, is hardly their true Medium Format DNA. When I think of Fuji, I think of all the highly portable MF cameras they made ... like this, as one example:

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    BTW, I know Dirk from years ago when his forum was one of the better places to discuss photography, and he is neither "uninformed" nor a "prick".

    Personally, given my druthers, I'd like a camera to also look good, but not at the expense of working well. After all, we are supposed to be "visually oriented".

    This camera has some very attractive, even compelling, features. Love that the lenses will have aperture rings ... and they have a 100/2 in the pipeline!

    I'm one that requires high sync speeds, so it is not specifically a camera for me ... but I sure do think it to be a terrific addition to the MFD world since more competition means more for the consumer with less costs.

    - Marc
    I'm sure he's neither uninformed nor a prick, but being disappointed about what seems to be an excellent camera because it doesn't look like the latest Hasselblad sure gives that impression. As for the GX680, it's extreme, but it shows one side of Fuji that was important to them and their customers at the time: Making a medium format camera that could do it all, except being portable (I ahev travelled with mine though, as have others). That seems to be the ambition with this new product as well, hence the removable/exchangeable viewfinder. Technology makes it possible to shrink it into a much smaller size than the old monster, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see tilt/shift and other specialty lenses later.
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    The disappointment is it seems to have a CCD sensor, not an X-Trans sensor. If and when it gets an X-Trans sensor, then you really could have a great camera.

    I have a feeling this will be like the XE1. It was a great, quirky camera that became the XE2 and a fantastic little camera once it got firmware v. 4. So it might take Fuji a couple of years to get it up to where it should be.

    Not selling of my HC Hasselblad lenses just yet, although I might sell my H3D2-39 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schneider View Post
    The disappointment is it seems to have a CCD sensor,
    Dave ...


    Must be CMOS ... no live view or EVF from a CCD ... which is my preferred sensor ... when it does not corrode ... thanks Leica.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    I'm sure he's neither uninformed nor a prick, but being disappointed about what seems to be an excellent camera because it doesn't look like the latest Hasselblad sure gives that impression. As for the GX680, it's extreme, but it shows one side of Fuji that was important to them and their customers at the time: Making a medium format camera that could do it all, except being portable (I ahev travelled with mine though, as have others). That seems to be the ambition with this new product as well, hence the removable/exchangeable viewfinder. Technology makes it possible to shrink it into a much smaller size than the old monster, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see tilt/shift and other specialty lenses later.
    Hmm, tough crowd. What's wrong with objective opinions? I'd be cautious of these kind of responses as I've already formed my subjective opinion of you. Well rounded and intelligent discussions help to keep a thread useful, respectful and informed.

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    The disappointment is it seems to have a CCD sensor, not an X-Trans sensor.
    Where on earth did you come up with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdphoto View Post
    Hmm, tough crowd. What's wrong with objective opinions? I'd be cautious of these kind of responses as I've already formed my subjective opinion of you. Well rounded and intelligent discussions help to keep a thread useful, respectful and informed.
    Opinions are never objective. The whole point of an opinion is that it's subjective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorgen Udvang View Post
    Opinions are never objective. The whole point of an opinion is that it's subjective.
    You're right, I did in fact, mean subjective. The point was that the reviewer should be allowed his opinion without being subjected to name calling. This new Fuji will be welcomed by many and useless to others. That's my objective opinion.
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    Where on earth did you come up with this?
    Bad typing.
    CMOS not X-Trans.

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    Why SOny should NOT make another camera:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/125233...h/28862521640/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Why SOny should NOT make another camera:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/125233...h/28862521640/
    In fairness that's an extremely small percentage of people that possibly experienced that extreme problem. You have a whole forum of people (and countless others) that never have.
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    Following the same line, most never had a problem (or even aware) with their plastic mounts either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Schneider View Post
    Bad typing.
    CMOS not X-Trans.
    I think the point is that the 50 MPx chip that Fuji is using doesn't have X-trans filter array but a conventional Bayer array. That may be a realization on Fuji's part that X-trans hasn't really delivered that much, and Moire elimination isn't a big problem at 50 MPx and above, or maybe they just couldn't get the sensor made completely to their specs.

    We'll obviously hear a lot more in a few months. I like the flip-up viewfinder that they use. Reminds me of the FV-2/4 from Olympus. It's really very useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Following the same line, most never had a problem (or even aware) with their plastic mounts either.
    I don't have any issues with my plastic mounts personally and still use my generation one body. Companies take cost into the equation obviously and it's a negligible cost to move from plastic to a metal mount and thus a change was made.
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    Re: Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    Thanks for the insider information!

    I thought the fotodiox metal mount replacement embarrassed them into spending a little more to metal.

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    Re: Fujifilm Medium Format is finally getting true

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    All due respect ... the Fuji studio camera, while great, is hardly their true Medium Format DNA. When I think of Fuji, I think of all the highly portable MF cameras they made ... like this, as one example:

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    Looking at this makes me yearn for a Fuji Medium Format X100 version. (lets call it a X200)
    Smaller sensor integrated lens cameras like the Sigma DP, RX1 and Ricoh GR have proven there is some IQ gain from a fixed HQ integrated lens.

    I'd like to dabble in MF but the prices while attainable are hard to justify for my output. So, every time I consider a MF system I do so thinking about managing with one lens, it may as well be a X200 then. Can I assume that making a MF camera with no lens mount will save cost?

    I guess there is the used market for us GAS poor.
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