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Capture One Version 5 Released

thomas

New member
Hey everyone. There is SO MUCH to talk about with the new version that I'm curious whats on YOUR mind? That will help me prioritize my own blogging/articles/training.
Doug, actually there is not so much to talk. The new tools are without exception great and well implemented.
The software comes to a state where it is all about workflow, not about certain tools that are mostly self-explaining.
So for you articles and trainings (don't know what you are doing there so I just can guess...) I think it colud be interessting to adress different kinds of workflows including appropriate sets of keyboard shortcuts and workspaces, different ways to customize the tool tabs and so on.
5.0 now really enables a fast workflow... similar to V3. I'd emphasize the "V3" in V5.0. to create awareness.
Certainly 5.0 should have been 4.2. But that's history and 5.0 finally doesn't lack of essential V3 features anymore. Not in every detail but roughly.

Some hints regarding workflow:
- you sure noticed that the focus mask applies to the image in the viewer and to the thumbnails but does not apply to the focus tool. That's a consequent concept: you can check focus with the focus mask and at the same time you can see the clear image (in the focus tool). Create a workspace / layout for that.
- tool tabs: me I switch tool tabs via keyboard - next/previous. So for me it makes a lot of sense to reduce the number of tool tabs and to place those I rarely need on the side. See screenshot - I actually only use quick-, lens-, exposure- and color-tab. With the new local copy/apply I don't need the adjustments-tab anymore so I swapped it to the side. I access metadata via ctrl+I, library via ctrl+L.
The "details" tab is included in my lens tab. "overlay" is in the camera tab and cropping is in the output tab. I never use rotation. "Process" is my keyboard on cmd+P.
The histogram is on top of all the tabs followed by the focus tool in quick-, lens- and exposure-tab.
The order of my tool tabs follow my reading of image editing - "light" first, "color" second. The lens tab on the second (fourth) position is only placed there as I do a lot of large format stuff and also because I want to check NR and sharpening (for preview only) before editing curves. Too, I apply lens corrections to my MF files as well so after rough adjustments in the quick tab I first want to adjust a "clean" image before I go ahead to "exposure" where I've cloned "base characteristics", "exposure" and "HDR" from the quick tab ... so I don't switch back to the quick tab to access these tools if needed in conjunction with curves.

So ... just an example. That's my personal concept and there are a lot of ways to create a personal workflow. But that's what is the most interessting in V5.0 from my point of view.

Hope that helps a little bit.
 
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Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
Interesting how many different approaches you can have with this software. Unlike Thomas, I cram my most used tools into my Quick tab, including lens corrections. Color editor I leave under Color. I keep all my focus tools under the detail tab, including three focus windows for center and two corners -- I also keep the sharpening, noise, moire and spot tools there for quick access. I only use the process tab to store my recipies, and keep the naming tool in my Q tab. While I have the histo in every tab, it's usually closed in my Q tab and I use the levels histo there as I usually make levels adjustments --- granted, the two histos can be slightly different depending on the adjustments being made, but makes for an easy workflow...
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
I'm a quick tab adjustment junkie as well i load up all the important tools to me in one tab so I don't jump around too much. Here is a look at my quick tab. For me outside of these tools mostly used would be color editor and lens corrections
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
Not seen so much in that last image because it is far better than shown is sharpness. it seems too me that Phase put some real effort in the sharpening algorithms. My images are even better now than what I remember from this shoot a couple months ago and been noticing it since. I do have my previews set at 1200 in preferences since this seems a nice balance between speed and on screen rendering . No longer am i seeing a veil effect in C1 with my P30+ files. They come in sharp and crisp and stay that way in the rendering of the previews. So now my previews are matching my output. Before my output images where sharper than my previews. Seems now they match identical which makes it far easier to judge than guess at on output. So far i like Version 5 obviously with a new version like this some things will come along and makes it even better with a update but so far i am pretty happy with it.

BTW i do use pre-sharpening 1 and also dropped my noise defaults down to 0 on luminance at my base ISO's
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
Some other thoughts:

1) I wish we had a short-cut to toggle the focus mask on and off, like change CMD-F. I doubt anybody uses auto adjustments in C1 anyway... Or better yet, let us assign/modify our own short-cut list -- I see the "edit shortcuts" panel, but can't seem to do anything with it other than read it.

2) Sharpening settings -- with v5 I've had to cut back on my normal amounts by around 25% to avoid high-frequency artifacts. I suspect it's due to better deconvolution algorithms extracting more/better from the files to begin with.

3) C1 needs to get off their somewhat arrogant convention stance and adopt more of the basic Photoshop shortcut conventions. Like it or not, Photoshop was the grandaddy here.
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
I agree Jack focus mask needs a short cut key or even put in a quick tab. Maybe next update. I like the CMD-F idea
 

thomas

New member
Interesting how many different approaches you can have with this software. Unlike Thomas, I cram my most used tools into my Quick tab, including lens corrections.
yes, and that's a very good thing! Clearly shows that the software offers options instead of forcing you to go a determined way.
It also depends on the screen size of course... I prefer not to collapse/expand the tools so I don't put more tools in a tool tab as fitting in the pane expaned (except for "clarity" in the lens tab that I don't use actually).

Too, it depends on how the whole thing works together with your shortcut settings. Switching tool tabs is actually faster than moving the mouse in the vertical orientation of the monitor... for me personally.

Attached my tool tabs.
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
:ROTFL: I use clarity on almost every image, and in fact have a default assigned via my basic "styles" set! Just goes to show, different strokes...

:thumbup:,
 

thomas

New member
:ROTFL: I use clarity on almost every image, and in fact have a default assigned via my basic "styles" set! Just goes to show, different strokes...:thumbup:,
:D yes. So you adjust a somehow final image in C1. I adjust for quite a "soft" TIF with the full histogram data. I do define a certain look and do a lot of things in the color editor but I always preserve a full histogram at the RAW stage (as I store the "original" 16bit TIFs in my archive).
"Clarity" is not reflected in the histogram so I avoid to use it unless they implement it accurate. That doesn't matter if you adjust an image with a final look but it matters if you want to preserve a full histogram in the archive file.
 

Guy Mancuso

Administrator, Instructor
I agree Thomas i am glad we are not force feed into a certain work flow . This customization is really the key to this software and workflow
 

thomas

New member
This customization is really the key to this software and workflow
:thumbup:
and this makes it actually better than V3... finally.
I'm still somehow pissed about the cache location but I changed my backup settings and meanwhile it's okay. Too, some minor annoyances for instances as to missing shortcut customization for certtain things like zoom in/out.
But all in all V5 makes me forget that V4 ever existed and I don't feel sentimental about V3.7.9 :)
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
"Clarity" is not reflected in the histogram so I avoid to use it unless they implement it accurate.
Actually, clarity changes DO show up in the levels histo, one of the reasons I use it instead of the main histo ;)
 

thomas

New member
Actually, clarity changes DO show up in the levels histo, one of the reasons I use it instead of the main histo ;)
care to elaborate?
Attached how it looks like on my machine (from the very beginning, not just in V5).
On the Phase forums there were reports about that and the Phase guys confirmed that it is not reflected in the histogram.

As to the levels histogram there is a bug as it sometimes interacts with the capture refered histogram of exopsure evaluation under certain circumstances.
In any case the levels histogram MUST be output referred otherwsie there's something wrong. Histogram, histo in curves and histo in levels are output refered... this is how it works... should work.
 
S

selsoe

Guest
The Focus Mask can be assigned a keyboard shortcut in the shortcut editor. Works fine here :)
 

thomas

New member
That's what I'm getting out of what I've read, so far, Joseph. :mad:
why "mad"?
I'd pay for upgrades and would even appreciate to pay for upgrades if this would enable Phase One to hire more specialists in the software developpment department. It would speed up things, we would have less bugs, a shorter time span for fixes, innovative + intelligent features earlier.
Every Photoshop update is charged. If you don't like to pay, stay with V3 or V4.
 

Jack

Sr. Administrator
Staff member
care to elaborate?
Attached how it looks like on my machine (from the very beginning, not just in V5).
On the Phase forums there were reports about that and the Phase guys confirmed that it is not reflected in the histogram.

As to the levels histogram there is a bug as it sometimes interacts with the capture refered histogram of exopsure evaluation under certain circumstances.
In any case the levels histogram MUST be output referred otherwsie there's something wrong. Histogram, histo in curves and histo in levels are output refered... this is how it works... should work.
I realize the levels histo is output referred -- when I make a clarity adjustment, the levels histo moves.
 

stephengilbert

Active member
Guy mentioned to me he didn't particularly like the color of the focus mask. Rummaging around in the Preferences, I discovered that you can change the color. Click Focus, then click the color box, and you'll get a color wheel to choose from.

Steve
 
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