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and processing. I honestly don't like what I see in the examples.I guess the outstanding tests are: DR, high ISO and moiré.
Yeah, I guess right now that leaves me hopelessly relegated to dorkdom instead of where I thought I was in cooldom... :ROTFL:I think the S2's lack of dorkiness is a mixed blessing: how will its cool owners be able to photograph it with an ordinary, dorky camera? The really cool kids will have to buy two, one to use, and another to photograph just how special the first one is.
Agreed, more review is needed; the good news it will be forthcoming! I need to see how the file responds color and tonality wise once in the raw converter. Any 6 micron sensor behind good glass is going to deliver detail, but color and tonal gradations (and to a lesser degree, dynamic range) are another story and that still remains to be seen.and processing. I honestly don't like what I see in the examples.
Still no raw files
But - extensive review; a lot of work. So many thanks for sharing!
actually we should sit side by side in front of the monitor to really explain it. There is an artificial look. Most of it possibly just due to the sharpening; many files are not sharp, only sharpened. Maybe it's just the wrong radius for the sharpening. I don't know, really hard to tell and hard to describe. Too, the scenes are all quite contrasty, so again hard to tell. Colors have no "style" or "look"... all looks somehow ordinary.thomas, I am curious what it is that you don't like in the samples?
Exactly.I still don't want to judge the camera or the files. Not without shooting the camera and processing files by myself or at least without having well exposed, shake free RAW files.
many captures are not really sharp (pixel wise). But you clearly see that sharpening is applied.thomas, I think I don't know what you mean with "not sharp but sharpened"
depends on what you call "neutral". I am finding literally all camera files I've seen in Capture One quite neutral in the default settings. Still the neutral look in C1 is much more pleasent.I would have thought that a neutral file would be the best starting point, unless you always want a specific look.
Cologne.Where in Germany are you, by the way?
There was obvious camera motion -- or at least some kind of motion -- in many of the crops David posted. FWIW, the motion looked more like mirror slap vibration to me, but I suspect that's due to the small sensor sites rendering motion that way. Regardless, even at high shutter speeds, high resolution sensors will capture/render camera motion. When working such a file, the typical response is to increase sharpening radius to make it look crisper, but in actually that decreases micro detail in the file. Best practice here requires a very sturdy tripod and head, along with mirror up and a cable release or timer delay release even when shutter speeds are short. Of course when testing for the real-world, one needs to work with the mirror operational since that's a critical part of the total imaging system too, so a solid test will show results for captures both ways...thomas, I think I don't know what you mean with "not sharp but sharpened"
My take on this is not that the color was neutral, but many of the colors looked flat -- like the green fern and lawns were all a single uniform hue of green. Now it may have been that way in real life, but my experience is you usually have a subtle gradation of shifting hues within a typical patch of "green" vegetation. Again, processing can wipe this out especially if WB got pushed significantly during raw conversion, as can conversion for web output, so I would not read too much into this yet.As far as the colour go, I am pretty sure that this is intentional, like Sinar also delivers a neutral file.
Hi LJ,There still seems to be one other issue that may not get resolved for a bit more time, and that is RAW processing. SNIP Hope that gets addressed.
LJ
Jack,Hi LJ,
Guy and I will be running the files through both C1 and the latest build of ACR and doing our best with each. Obvious issue is that while Guy and I are pretty proficient with C1, we no longer use ACR with any regularity so even our processing there will be somewhat non-substantive. Again, we'll do our best and post the results, which is all we can do. Other big problem with doing a test at this level is posting image and crop results on the web -- you simply can't avoid color shifts and artifacting in the posted result compared to viewing the original full tiff...