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As someone having owned an A7s and A7 for just some weeks I agree with those who do not like Sonys product cycle philosophy.
The A7II doesnt make my A7 a worse camera but it decreases ist value when I might want to upgrade to another Body. And it also reduces the chances for really much effort to improve the A7 vs Firmware in the future.
For me the policy makes it harder to Switch to the A7II (even though there are some good reasons for the A7II) because in spring we have to expect the next evolution step/the rumoured A9?.
Changing products so often - IMO - makes it easier for the camera Producer to throw something on the market. If something doesnt work well - they can improve it with the next model. And the customer pays for it.
Shutter to loud? bajonet too weak? doesnt matter, when the A7III Comes People Forget about the Problems they had with the A7/A7II.
Another example: I wonder why I paid for OSS in the 70200 and 2470. If it had bean clear that there are bodies with OSS Sony could have made those lenses somewhat smaller and offer them for a lower Price.
Sorry, bu I had to say it.
Well go buy a new car you lose 20 percent of its value just driving off the dealers lot.
If the definition of innovation is the quantity of new features and buttons per 3 months than I agree.Looking at my own number of cameras, I just realized this. Complaints about prices, new models and such come from people with too many cameras with very little use of them.
Sony is the only innovative company at the moment and it comes with its own characteristics.
Let us face it, they are not fooling people like Hasselblad or Leica by repackaging someone else' cameras for a premium or sticking to the old SLR stuff like Canikon.
Why so cynical? Being an early adopter has it's price but also the advantage of knowing you have the latest/greatest camera. If you're not willing to pay for that you should maybe adopt my strategy and skip 2-3 generations before getting a new camera. I still use on old A850 and maybe it will be succeeded by an a7II (but not sure yet). Thereby I skipped the A99 and a7 first series but also saved quite a bundle.If the definition of innovation is the quantity of new features and buttons per 3 months than I agree.
I'm inclined to agree Vivek, I shift 'em if I'm not using them as fast as possible.Looking at my own number of cameras, I just realized this. Complaints about prices, new models and such come from people with too many cameras with very little use of them.
Well. Olympus and Panasonic seem to be working hard as well, Lots of ideas and some decent kit. IBIS and some really excellent lenses (lots of them)Sony is the only innovative company at the moment and it comes with its own characteristics.
After roughly 3 years of use I sold my S2 for about 60% of the price I paid for it. I assume thats the percentage I would get for the 6 week old A7 (however I wont sell it at the Moment).
Just exactly how much % the Leica S2 lose and how much does it translate in Euros or US $. The buy/sell section gives a glimpse.
IBIS, full electronic shutter. huge pixels. etcIf the definition of innovation is the quantity of new features and buttons per 3 months than I agree.
OK,Why so cynical? Being an early adopter has it's price but also the advantage of knowing you have the latest/greatest camera. If you're not willing to pay for that you should maybe adopt my strategy and skip 2-3 generations before getting a new camera. I still use on old A850 and maybe it will be succeeded by an a7II (but not sure yet). Thereby I skipped the A99 and a7 first series but also saved quite a bundle.
And tell me, which other brand has a full frame camera with IBIS on which you can almost adapt many legacy lenses. That innovation is worth something as well.
40% of a Leica S is a lot of cash in real terms!After roughly 3 years of use I sold my S2 for about 60% of the price I paid for it. I assume thats the percentage I would get for the 6 week old A7 (however I wont sell it at the Moment).
I think the word "disposable" is the key. I dont like the tendency the industry sells us things with the Intention to replace them after a short time.
I even go so far that they will NOT put all innovations they have into the product, because they want to earn money multiple times. They just offer enough to make people switch, and then 3 months later the do the same thing again.
Well the A7 original version was very very close to my AF needs but I needed faster. The A77II rocked the house but I wanted to get back to the FE camera so I am thinking this is it with a 30 percent increase in AF tracking that was my ticket. Having two different cameras was more a hassle than it was worth. Will see if it does it . Otherwise I will get a A77II again, there certainly cheap enoughGuy, I understand your need to use one system so you can swap lenses, batteries, etc. I just don't see what the fuss is about, especially since the you tube videos and the beta tester's photos do not reveal much.
Yes, the s-System is expensive butthe Image Quality you can achieve with MF really stands out in my eyes. By the way a new sensor-Format, lenses where you dont have to do any Focus fine adjustment because the Information is safed on a chip and automatically controlled, a MF camera in this size and weather-sealed, is pretty innovative IMO. Of course it Comes at a high Price and its a luxury to use something like this as a hobby-shooter.40% of a Leica S is a lot of cash in real terms!
Did you make one satisfactory (to you) picture with the A7s with its very high ISO capability? If the answer is yes, it is worth every cent.
No, Jono, it isn't that ordinary as you make it out to be. You can not stick a tiny CV 12 or 15 on the D700 (you can try Cosina's F mount versions but it will surely damage the mirror when it comes down after a shot) and get decent images. There is no shutter noise. The package is tiny. You can get wonderful high ISO HD videos. With an additional recorder you can get 4K video. The list goes on and on.We just compared the high ISO between the A7s and the Nikon D700 (you may be too young to remember it). identical shots etc. there was some dispute, but basically the A7s had 1 stop advantage over the d700 so perhaps it was choosing s 12 MP sensor which was Sony's brainwave here.