I think we should invite Seal to join the forum so we can get his impressions!
I think that would make the life very hard for the mods/admins as there are folks who would just want to take a shot at him or people like him because of the name/fame.
I'd want to see some fashion shooter or what-ever with the S2 ... but I don't rely on an M for pro work myself ... I use it professionally as a aux. piece ... but it's more of my personal passion camera ... take with on my treks to Gotham and La La land, etc. So, I tend to agree.
Basically, it's more about the personal passion of photography ... I'm not worried about getting the scoop on the technical end ... there is a flood of that sort of thing published already.
Occasionally one has to expose one's ignorance in order to learn. So I'm about to do that here and now.
After viewing the few examples from the M9 presented here and in reviewer's sites (Jono, D. Farkas, etc.) and looking at the results of the M9, I am not seeing a huge difference in quality or IQ from what the M8 offers. Granted, the samples are jpegs. And these are very early samples.
Nevertheless, my question is: Is it fair to say that the advantages of the M9 over the M8 are primarily a greater resolution that enables larger prints and the FF attributes that allow for more accurate lens focal lengths that don't include a crop factor? Not to minimize the niceties of better frame lines or other little embellishments like the ISO button or menus, but strictly in terms of IQ, is that about it?
As I stated in my review, the M9 files do look strikingly similiar to M8 files, just with 80% more pixels. What you get in addtion to the more pixels is full-frame, one stop better dynamic range (this is a big one), one stop better ISO performance, and a some really nice UI enhancements.
Also keep in mind that the files I posted (the large ones @1MB apiece) are sized down 1500x1000 from 5212x3468. I might upload some 100% crops later today, but oddly, no one has asked me for them.
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On a personal note, I find the enhancements you list to be worthwhile, yet oddly comforting to an M8 owner (and lover). I can easily imagine owning an M9 and now see it as more of an evolution from the M8 than a replacement for it.
David, my only doubt right now about the image quality of the M9 (also coming from the M8 & DMR) is the WA's.
1- Are they soft in the corners? and is this a characteristic of rf lenses more than; for example 15/2.8 asph R or 19/2.8 R?
Or is this a characteristic of the M9's limitations? (if they are)
2- The other doubt that I have is how much I will use WA's (because it is very different than the M8 view)
For that second I am seriously considering the october workshop of Guy and Jack. (I am also trying to use a film M for that)
Your review was very clear to read and at the same time had a lot of info.
Cam - thank you!
Personally, I would have preferred Scarlett Johansson, but what do I know.
Request for me if someone can get me some nice raws to play with. I would appreciate it , that way I can see how to process them the best.
Can I get a good looking Leica shooter like that. Oh wait I'm married
You would . LOL
Money and time - doesn't buy talent, ability or good images - work does. no Leica will ever make a good image let alone a great image -just because it is a Leica Some of the best photography I have collected and bought over the last 30 years - has been made with $50 cameras.
What this forum is about is people who share a passion for photography and gear - and thats why i come here.
If it was bad enough having a celebrity, imagine the comments if it was a blonde model/actress, people would have creamed Leica!
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Having an interest in better watches, I'm a fan of the scratch resistance of sapphire watch crystals. Yes, if struck sharply, they'll shatter with shards being scattered. That's why NASA specified acrylic crystals for their space flights (can you picture shards of glass floating around in zero G?)
Fast backward to my flying days and the acrylic windshields of the aircraft. They are prone to minute to large scratches. We found that plain Pledge in the brown spray can, when applied to the windshield and wiped dry, would fill in the minute scratches and protect, to a small degree, the windshield from more scratches. This because Pledge has a refractive index close to that of acrylic plastic.
In the event that I decide to pop for an M9 before sapphire is offered as an optional LCD cover, I'd probably 'Pledge it' every so often. Rather than spraying it at the back of the M9, apply it with the ball of your finger using a well washed tee shirt. Anyone else doing this?
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I prefer to use the Giottos glass screen protector with 12 layers of coating. I use them on all my plastic-screen cameras.
Brad did you ever have problems with the slight overhang with the Giottos? The ones I had on my 2 M8's at the time were ever so slightly larger than the LCD cover so that there was an edge that could catch and break. I'd have rather it was slightly smaller and sacrifice the edge of the underlying LCD cover than break.
Maybe this has changed now but I had two crack & shatter which made them somewhat less than useless for me. Removing the shards with a bit of heat to release the adhesive could also release the adhesive on the back of the LCD cover itself so that this would lift off the camera. In the end that's why I upgraded my last M8 with the Sapphire LCD cover.
Next time I'd go with the Zagg Invishield. I have some here but haven't bothered with the M8.2 that I now have.
not sure if this was mentioned but videos of the press conf are available here: http://vimeo.com/leicacamera
I was actually thinking of a M8 backup to my MF system. I have a backup body but heck i want a small camera anyway for me.
I'm refraining from comment let's just say she looks really good sporting a Leica
You are very bad Sir. LOL
I was lucky or careful enough not to break one, but a friend of mine did when he pushed his bag into the overhead compartment on a flight. It does take some heat to remove and you could pull the Leica plastic off too. I didn't mind the little overhang and I never caught it on anything, probably because I also use Luigi cases (no rear flap) that give enough of a thickness so that the protector is not the most prominent thing on the back. I found the Giottos and Luigi combination (together with a Thumbs-up) to be the best for me, and I am going this way on the M9 too.
The Thumbs-up CSEP4 is the best because the double shoe allows you to place an external finder right above the internal one, so you focus and quickly drop the camera a centimeter to compose wide shots. There may be slight parallax issues, but I never had a problem composing this way. With the M9 we will need wide external finders even more (anything 24mm or wider).
I just got a chance to watch the Leica Press Conference in which Seal spoke. It was clear to me from the video that Leica was very respectful of the fact that Seal had spent a great deal of his money on their cameras over the last 16 years and gave him a chance to share his feelings about their brand.
I feel this was very appropriate and it was mischaracterized to me how Leica was using him. I think the way it was done was very tasteful. If anyone, doctor, lawyer, musician, another photographer, you or I had been faithful to the Leica brand in the monetary way that Seal had done for as long as it has been we would have certainly been on the list to speak about it. Sure it helps to have a famous face when talking about passions.
Now all Leica needs to do to appeal to photographers who work for a living in the field is put the camera in the hands of pros. Allow it to be tested against the best Phase backs and lets see where it stands in the lineup. It definitely has a place I feel because 37mp is flat out enough resolution for some folks.
Using both the Giottos and case sounds like an ideal combo.
wrt to the Seal discussions:
I thought that he was very gracious, generous and genuine in his appreciation of all things Leica. I can't for the life of me see why people are so cynical. Btw, in case anyone forgot, this was a public launch event not a pro round-table. If Leica had rolled out a traditional crusty old M shooter I'd have been tempted to go back to sleep during the web cast. :sleep006:
As regards being given the S2, well he seemed genuinely surprised and if **I** were being cynical I'd say that Leica got a great deal! I think you'd be hard pressed to get that much of Seal's time and pay for it for less than the cost of that demo S2!
Am I correctly assuming that the "Protect" button that was replaced by the new ISO button is now in a menu on the M9?
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yes, I believe protect was moved to a menu item
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Yes I do like the ISO button there but have to say the button I like the most is the info button. I had that on my Nikons and loved it . Many times shooting events or in dark places the M8 would not just give you that info very easily. The Nikon and now the M9 that info button I promise a lot of folks will be more than happy it is there. This is a very important feature as I see it. I do a lot of these event type things and that is a big issue is quickly seeing what is going on.