M9 images

[Lloyd]

Damn. Thats a real bummer. Is it only on high iso or can you see them on low as well?

I'm looking through some files now to see. So far I'm not seeing it the lower ISO settings. I'll post some examples shortly.

 

[LJL]

Some of us may recall seeing that same sort of line in the M8 files long, long ago. Not suggesting the M9 will have the same sorts of issues, and I really, really hope that it does not, but high ISO is still not the forte of Leica. They are getting a lot better, but still some kinks to get worked out. Not unlike some of the banding issues that Nikon had before they got things smoothed out.

LJ

 

[Daniel]

Some of us may recall seeing that same sort of line in the M8 files long, long ago. Not suggesting the M9 will have the same sorts of issues, and I really, really hope that it does not, but high ISO is still not the forte of Leica. They are getting a lot better, but still some kinks to get worked out. Not unlike some of the banding issues that Nikon had before they got things smoothed out.

LJ

i hope this was a fluke.

 

[LJL]

Well, there is something about reading and clearing the photosites at those higher ISOs that can become a challenge. I think all image files have some issues at the higher limits of what the sensor is supposed to be able to capture. It just was much more pronounced as this sort of line in the M8. I have lots of high ISO shots from the M8 with this sort of problem, and just learned not to shoot at ISO 2500.

So I too am hoping this is something easily corrected with firmware, but it is unsettling to see it again.

LJ

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Try a different raw processor

 

[Lloyd]

Yikes!! Here's a shot at ISO 320. It's subtle but it's there... visible in the area under the arm of the man in the background. (Guy, I tried to upload the full-size images to the gallery, and it won't take them.)

I bought the M8 the first day it was available, and my original copy had a very pronounced line through the frame. Much more visible than this. I have noticed that my latest M8 (my 3rd copy) still has a very subtle line at high ISO.
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[Lloyd]

Try a different raw processor

I using CS4 and Adobe Camera Raw (latest upgrade). I'll try another in a few.

Here's shot at ISO 320 with my 28 Cron. 100% crop, and this area of the image is clearly under exposed, but the line is there... see in the carpet behind the man's shirt.

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[robertwright]

...it will be there at all iso's just more visible at higher iso's. also it is independent of raw processors.

usually the line problems is intermittent in the beginning but eventually becomes permanent. Mine featured a stuck pixel as well. Eventually Leica replaced the sensor.

camera needs to go in...

but I'd blame kodak more, it is a "feature" of their sensors.

 

[Lloyd]

...it will be there at all iso's just more visible at higher iso's. also it is independent of raw processors.

Yup. I just found it in a shot at 160, which is the lowest I tried. Not happy.

 

[Erik Five]

Yup. I just found it in a shot at 160, which is the lowest I tried. Not happy.

I would demand to get a new one.

 

[thomas]

Here's a shot at ISO 320. It's subtle but it's there...

set the luminance noise reduction to zero and it will be more obvious.
I had the very same with 2 P21+ backs. De-focus, underexpose 1 stop, set lumin. NR to zero and and push the contrast in the RAW converter and you'll see it quite good.

 

[robertwright]

You should be able to go straight back and exchange it no? It was probably like this out of the box, you just didn't see it.

 

[Lloyd]

I would demand to get a new one.

The Leica rep is still at our local shop. I'm on the phone with them right now!!

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Lloyd what version firmware . there is a update out there to 1.02 but I am not sure what it exactly does

 

[robertwright]

I've said it before, not all kodak sensors are created equal-my first M8 exhibited pixel blooming defects from the get go and eventually developed the stuck pixel-line issue. After it was replaced both issues were corrected. I have never seen the same blooming issue in any other M8 or in posted pics. Kodak's quality control seems to miss sometimes.

You could think of it like a decentered lens. Just part of the manufacturing "process" that you don't have to accept. Guess we have to ask for three samples and test all M's now before taking them home. Dealers will be pleased no doubt.

 

[robertwright]

Lloyd what version firmware . there is a update out there to 1.02 but I am not sure what it exactly does

my stuck row persisted through a couple firmware updates. I was waiting to send it in for the upgrade so lived with it. but firmware is not going to fix it.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

You certainly maybe right Robert just checking some of the obvious things to start. And I agree you can get a bad sensor

 

[Lloyd]

Lloyd what version firmware . there is a update out there to 1.02 but I am not sure what it exactly does

Version 1.00. Not been upgraded yet. My rep is checking her two cameras right now.

 

[robertwright]

I certainly went around the mulberry bush with mine so my advice is cut to the chase scene. I also have a GRD-II with a line...maybe its just me!

heck, even my M6 had some sort of issue with the shutter that left a dark line near the top of the frame, chasing that "bug" down was even worse

did I ever tell you about the 5D that the mirror fell out...:ROTFL:

and don't get me started on shimming sliding backs for large format:wtf:

You certainly maybe right Robert just checking some of the obvious things to start. And I agree you can get a bad sensor

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Good . Keep us plugged in