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    Thanks for the correction Scott. Either way, stunning resolving power.

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    Thank you very much every one for your much appreciated comments on my "Protea".
    And especially for Ed Tan, here's a shot of my rig.



    NB As for SA: I've worked and lived there for 6 months back in '83. Not sure if that still counts

    All the very best.
    Bart ...

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    so a visoflex works on a digital body, hmmm, is that a Viso III?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    so a visoflex works on a digital body, hmmm, is that a Viso III?
    yes it does and yes it is ...
    Bart ...

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    Thank you

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    Lloyd, Ashwin..

    Thanks guys. You are wonderful.

    Regards.

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    Out for a walk in the sunshine this afternoon. Three shots, stitched in PS.

    M8, 35 Cron @ f8:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Out for a walk in the sunshine this afternoon. Three shots, stitched in PS.

    M8, 35 Cron @ f8:
    Gorgeous! Wish I was there, wherever that is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    Gorgeous! Wish I was there, wherever that is!
    +1 - nice one Lloyd!
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    Nice, crisp shot Lloyd. Well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Very kewl stuff, Ed. Thanks for sharing.

    I always wanted to see this in person. When I was in grad school in San Francisco I was too anal about my studies and passed up a chance to go with friends to see the lunar new year celebrations in Chinatown. Then when I worked in New York I was traveling on business and missed it. My mother says we went once in Boston when I was young, but I don't have any memory of it. One of these years!!
    Advice if you go: Bring Earplugs. My ears were ringing after the shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Thank you very much every one for your much appreciated comments on my "Protea".
    And especially for Ed Tan, here's a shot of my rig.



    NB As for SA: I've worked and lived there for 6 months back in '83. Not sure if that still counts

    All the very best.
    Thanks Bart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie O View Post
    Gorgeous! Wish I was there, wherever that is!
    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    +1 - nice one Lloyd!
    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Clennan View Post
    Nice, crisp shot Lloyd. Well done!

    Maggie, Joe, and Gary, many thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    +1 - nice one Lloyd!
    +2 Lloyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Out for a walk in the sunshine this afternoon. Three shots, stitched in PS.

    M8, 35 Cron @ f8:
    Simply stunning! Amazing colors and pop, Lloyd!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    Thanks,

    Here are some B&W.. First shot is 75mm Summilux and the second is 35mm Summilux ASPH FLE.


    sorry I'm a sucker for "glow" ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Thank you very much every one for your much appreciated comments on my "Protea".
    And especially for Ed Tan, here's a shot of my rig.


    ooh looks like fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Out for a walk in the sunshine this afternoon. Three shots, stitched in PS.

    M8, 35 Cron @ f8:
    Stunning my friend. Stunning.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    Thanks,
    Here are some B&W.. First shot is 75mm Summilux and the second is 35mm Summilux ASPH FLE.
    ..wonderful image

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Out for a walk in the sunshine this afternoon. Three shots, stitched in PS.

    M8, 35 Cron @ f8:
    Lloyd,
    Excellent composition and beautiful country.

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    Man... I just got home from an intense few days...

    It's about 12:47 AM right bout now. Just got back from the studio, project deadline today, with critiques to prepare for tomorrow. Worked for about 15 hours straight yesterday, only stopping because I got sick and fell into a fever and could barely walk.

    But it's always nice to come home to some nice photos...

    Ed, your photos of the lion dance brings back such nice childhood memories :]

    Ashwin, Peter is part of the reason why I decided to pick up the 40/1.4 Sadly though, it seems like mine is backfocusing on my M8. I don't know if it's my rangefinder that's misaligned, or if it's the lens. My 35/2.5 focuses spot on with the M8 though.

    Knorp, that's a crazy set up... I've been looking into a visoflex for the M8 though... would prove to be kinda interesting.

    I'll post some more tomorrow... but now it's time to catch up on some rest :]

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    Door & Lines


    Door & Lines - Mountain View 2012
    Leica M9 + M-Rokkor 40mm f/2

    Still just getting my feet wet with this lovely piece of camera machinery.

    Thanks for looking, comments always appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    Ok - time for the obligatory rainy day indoor pet photo

    Our Dobermann at the watch M9 + 50mm lux @ f2:



    Cheers,
    What a beautiful doberman! That's a great shot too, I love the perspective.

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    Here's a shot with the MS Optical Super Triplet Perar II 3.5/35... gawd that's a mouthful! The sky went all blotchy on me, another reminder of how important proper exposure is on the M9.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ceh View Post
    Lloyd,
    Excellent composition and beautiful country.
    Indeed. That's lovely.

    Godfrey - as I said on the other thread, many congrats. I remain jealous I like the image, and nicely presented.

    Wozza - yes there's some blotchiness/noise even at screen level, but all that stuff is over-rated anyway

    Mike

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    Some recent landscape efforts with the M8, all with the Zeiss 25mm, except the last one which was with the 35 'cron:











    Regards

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    Thank you Mike. And those are terrific. I really like the third shot, wonderful light, and the last one... Wow!

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    Mike. That last one is great !

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    Thanks guys, always appreciate your comments.

    Is it me, or is quiet in here lately? Is everyone out shooting with the Nex7?

    Mike

    (I'm waiting for more detail on the OM-D, but the Nex7 and new Fuji are interesting )

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    Godfrey and Wozza, very nice images, with lenses that each have intrigued me for some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
    Thanks guys, always appreciate your comments.

    Is it me, or is quiet in here lately? Is everyone out shooting with the Nex7?

    Mike

    (I'm waiting for more detail on the OM-D, but the Nex7 and new Fuji are interesting )
    I'm thinking the same, Mike. I'm very interested in the new Fuji myself. Interesting time for Leica shooters for sure.

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    Godfrey and Wozza, very nice images, with lenses that each have intrigued me for some time.
    Thanks Lloyd! the Triplet is a finicky lens that I think lacks the character of the Zeiss Biogon 35mm. Even the Voigtlander 1.4/35 has more character, but the Super Triplet is MUCH sharper than that lens. In fact, it may be even sharper than the Zeiss. It does have good contrast and sharpness, but gets weird flares at times. I haven't shot with it enough to have a true sense of it's image properties, but it's operation is frustrating at best. There's nothing quite like trying to adjust your aperture and accidentally collapsing your lens instead.

    So far I really can't recommend it, unless you truly need the most compact solution available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wozza604 View Post
    Thanks Lloyd! the Triplet is a finicky lens that I think lacks the character of the Zeiss Biogon 35mm. Even the Voigtlander 1.4/35 has more character, but the Super Triplet is MUCH sharper than that lens. In fact, it may be even sharper than the Zeiss. It does have good contrast and sharpness, but gets weird flares at times. I haven't shot with it enough to have a true sense of it's image properties, but it's operation is frustrating at best. There's nothing quite like trying to adjust your aperture and accidentally collapsing your lens instead.

    So far I really can't recommend it, unless you truly need the most compact solution available.
    Hmm, good to know. I don't think it's worth the frustration to me. Thanks for taking the time to provide that info.

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    Mike, I really like that last shot, great mood, contrast and colours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    I'm thinking the same, Mike. I'm very interested in the new Fuji myself. Interesting time for Leica shooters for sure.
    I'm interested in the Fuji as well, but I'm also still tempted by the GRX with the A12 M module after seeing some of the amazing shots Ashwin has taken with it. I still wish someone would come up with at Full-Frame alternative to the M9 as a backup though.

    These days I've been wondering how much of the Leica look comes from the sensor and not just the lens because Leica glass on my NEX-5 just does not have the same magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wozza604 View Post
    wish someone would come up with at Full-Frame alternative to the M9 as a backup though [...]
    how much of the Leica look comes from the sensor and not just the lens because Leica glass on my NEX-5 just does not have the same magic.
    That is the point, and you are going in good direction, which is... full frame.
    Yes, APS-C kills character of M lenses.

    You can read more here in this thread:
    Sony NEX-C3 first impressions - FM Forums

    Especially starting from post p.6 #3 and thread author words: " The flip side is that the crop sensor makes it essentially impossible to get that special look" and through further discussion.
    Best Regards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Godfrey and Wozza, very nice images, with lenses that each have intrigued me for some time.
    Thank you!

    Mine is an M-Rokkor 40/2 second generation, shipped with the Minolta CLE.

    My understanding is that the Summicron-C 40/2 and M-Rokkor 40/2 first gen were identical designs, but built in Germany and Japan respectively, where the second gen M-Rokkor 40mm was updated with multi-coating and otherwise almost identical. I know the focusing tab and ring are a little different from the first gen too.

    The first gen and its Summicron-C sibling are pretty much identical in performance, the second gen has less tendency to flare. I went for the M-Rokkor rather than the Summicron-C because it's a lot easier to get 40.5mm filters for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude163 View Post
    Mike. That last one is great !
    +1 - my favorite of the set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    That is the point, and you are going in good direction, which is... full frame.
    Yes, APS-C kills character of M lenses.

    You can read more here in this thread:
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    Especially starting from post p.6 #3 and thread author words: " The flip side is that the crop sensor makes it essentially impossible to get that special look" and through further discussion.
    I disagree. I have the Ricoh GXR-M mount setup as well as the M9 now. The GXR-M produces rendering qualities very similar to the same lens used on the M9, moreso than I see with the Sony NEX 5n.

    I think the sensor is key here in that the sensors of both these cameras lack an AA filter and have sufficient pixel resolution which enables the lens drawing to be more accurately rendered. There is the consideration of the FoV to DoF coupling as well influencing how the images look, but when I compare an image made by the M9 to the same image made with the GXR-M, just cropped to the FoV of the GXR format, they look very close to identical.

    The Sonys all have AA filters, even though the one in the 5n body is lighter than in other NEX cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I disagree. I have the Ricoh GXR-M mount setup as well as the M9 now. The GXR-M produces rendering qualities very similar to the same lens used on the M9, moreso than I see with the Sony NEX 5n.

    I think the sensor is key here in that the sensors of both these cameras lack an AA filter and have sufficient pixel resolution which enables the lens drawing to be more accurately rendered. There is the consideration of the FoV to DoF coupling as well influencing how the images look, but when I compare an image made by the M9 to the same image made with the GXR-M, just cropped to the FoV of the GXR format, they look very close to identical.

    The Sonys all have AA filters, even though the one in the 5n body is lighter than in other NEX cameras.
    I'm with you on this one, but I'd like to add that I think it goes beyond the AA filter issue. I think the M9 and M8 look very similar, aside from the M8 have a narrow field of view. What they have in common is they both have a Kodak CCD sensor which is similar in design to the ones used in medium format digital backs. I think the way CCDs gather light give images a slightly different quality to the way CMOS sensors do. So I believe it goes beyond AA filters and sensor size, but I agree, a lot of GXR-M images do seem to look like Leica images but I don't have one myself, so it's hard for me to compare.

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    Godfrey,
    it seems you have different definition of drawing or look at something different. By drawing I rather not mean AA or pixel detail, but overall look of the picture made with fast Leica lens wide open. Fast, as someone said that at f/5.6 all lenses look the same. No character at such apertures, allowing to differentiate them from eachother.

    So, to come back to the sensor. Using NEX or RICOH or maybe soon Fuji - is not simply able to get me that 3D, that I see in for example in 35mm Summilux on FF wide open. It simply cuts off edges drawing. And these drawing is mostly visible when wide open.

    If you attach 35mm Lux to APS-C sensor - you get picture as taken with ~50mm at f/2 on FF - what again - differs from what you get with 50mm Lux on FF.
    Even if you attach big and heavy 24mm Lux - you will get picture as taken with 35mm Summicron, not Lux.

    If a person makes most photos closed down, then there is no such difference in results, in fact latest APS-C may bring better pixel quality than older generation FF, especially if it is without AA filter.
    Best Regards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wozza604 View Post
    CCDs gather light give images a slightly different quality to the way CMOS sensors do
    Maybe some old CMOS generations. Today? I don't think so.

    When I for the first time compared NEX-5 with 35mm Lux vs M9 with 50mm Lux - I saw poor, pale colors from NEX. Increasing saturation did not solve it.

    Later - I compared NEX-5N. The colors and white balance, when alligned in LR (I used color checker) - were not leading to conclusion, that one sensor returns colors better than another one.
    Best Regards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    Maybe some old CMOS generations. Today? I don't think so.

    When I for the first time compared NEX-5 with 35mm Lux vs M9 with 50mm Lux - I saw poor, pale colors from NEX. Increasing saturation did not solve it.

    Later - I compared NEX-5N. The colors and white balance, when alligned in LR (I used color checker) - were not leading to conclusion, that one sensor returns colors better than another one.
    I did not say "better" I said different.

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    Indeed, right.

    In few months, there is big chance - we will see M10 using CMOS of latest generation.
    Best Regards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    Indeed, right.

    In few months, there is big chance - we will see M10 using CMOS of latest generation.
    We will see what the future brings... I for one would welcome better high iso performance but as we've seen with the X1, Leica's previous CMOS endeavour, the look of the files will likely be different than the M9, which is a shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
    Some recent landscape efforts with the M8, all with the Zeiss 25mm, except the last one which was with the 35 'cron:



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    Nice one here Mike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wozza604 View Post
    Here's a shot with the MS Optical Super Triplet Perar II 3.5/35... gawd that's a mouthful! The sky went all blotchy on me, another reminder of how important proper exposure is on the M9.

    Bloedel Conservatory at the QE Park?
    One of my favorite parks.
    Nice to see the fountains working again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    Godfrey,
    it seems you have different definition of drawing or look at something different. By drawing I rather not mean AA or pixel detail, but overall look of the picture made with fast Leica lens wide open. Fast, as someone said that at f/5.6 all lenses look the same. No character at such apertures, allowing to differentiate them from eachother.

    So, to come back to the sensor. Using NEX or RICOH or maybe soon Fuji - is not simply able to get me that 3D, that I see in for example in 35mm Summilux on FF wide open. It simply cuts off edges drawing. And these drawing is mostly visible when wide open.

    If you attach 35mm Lux to APS-C sensor - you get picture as taken with ~50mm at f/2 on FF - what again - differs from what you get with 50mm Lux on FF.
    Even if you attach big and heavy 24mm Lux - you will get picture as taken with 35mm Summicron, not Lux.

    If a person makes most photos closed down, then there is no such difference in results, in fact latest APS-C may bring better pixel quality than older generation FF, especially if it is without AA filter.
    An f/1.4 lens is an f/1.4 lens no matter what format it is projecting the image onto, and if the sensor can image the lens' drawing qualities accurately, the image will look the same modulo the difference in imaged area. A 'Lux looks like a 'Lux if I make an exposure at f/1.4 on either GXR or M9 and overlay the two images.

    What's different is the specific coupling of FoV and DoF that you will get when you enlarge the image to fill the same destination print or screen sizing. That's when the coupling of FoV and DoF is expressed and has nothing to do with the lens' drawing qualities.

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    I really like that last shot Mike! Nice, natural vignetting...

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    Patrick, thank you
    Bart, amazing shot! Love the detail and composition.
    Mike, love that street shot of the couple
    Ed, very nice shots from the festival.
    Rayyan, excellent shot of the old car! Very nice PP'ing.
    Robert, beautiful portrait of your father in law!
    SYGTAFOTO, nice shots with the 75 Lux!!
    Cenek, classic shot of couple leaving
    Lloyd, stunning panorama of a shot!!!
    Mike, beautiful landscapes! Love the last shot

    Shots from Melbourne streets late in the evening. 35 Lux FLE and M9



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