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    Charles,
    superb street

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    Godrey,
    practical example, let's look on lenses: 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.4.

    You attach them to FF, APS-C, u43 cameras and get following effective focals and DoF:

    24mm f/1.4 FF = ~35mm f/2 APS-C = ~50mm f/2.8
    35mm f/1.4 FF = ~50mm f/2 APS-C = 70mm f/2.8 u43
    50mm f/1.4 FF = 75mm f/2 APS-C = 100mm f/2.8 u43

    The point is, observed by Wozza and Luka from Fredmiranda forum and others - by attaching wider lens to cropped sensor - you will not get the same magic, 3D - which you have with longer focal attached to FF.

    At least when wide open.
    When closed down - results are closer.
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    Cenek, thank you, much appreciated Very nice shot! Love the composition.

    Another evening shot in Melbourne with the 24 Lux and M9

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesK View Post
    Cenek, thank you, much appreciated Very nice shot! Love the composition.

    Another evening shot in Melbourne with the 24 Lux and M9

    Charles,
    great atmosphere of a night scene,beautiful composition.

    24/1,4 looks good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry_R View Post
    Godrey,
    practical example, let's look on lenses: 24mm f/1.4, 35mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.4.

    You attach them to FF, APS-C, u43 cameras and get following effective focals and DoF:

    24mm f/1.4 FF = ~35mm f/2 APS-C = ~50mm f/2.8
    35mm f/1.4 FF = ~50mm f/2 APS-C = 70mm f/2.8 u43
    50mm f/1.4 FF = 75mm f/2 APS-C = 100mm f/2.8 u43

    The point is, observed by Wozza and Luka from Fredmiranda forum and others - by attaching wider lens to cropped sensor - you will not get the same magic, 3D - which you have with longer focal attached to FF.

    At least when wide open.
    When closed down - results are closer.
    Again, I disagree: these comparisons are misleading with respect to what I'm talking about.

    The distinction that you're focusing on is the FoV/DoF relationship. Those will be different because they are dependent upon format. That's what the equivalence you are pointing to is concerned with.

    The lens' drawing signature is the same in all cases ... it's an optical property of the lens based upon its light transmission properties. Those are invariant.

    For instance, my Nikkor-H 85mm f/1.8 fitted to an Olympus E-1 nets a package with the approximate FoV/DoF properties of a Nikon F3 with 180/2.8 lens fitted, but it is smaller and 1.3 stops faster. The drawing (aka rendering) qualities of the lens, however, are exactly the same as they were when fitted to the F3 - you simply see a smaller portion of the lens image circle.

    The bottom line is that if you are talking about lens drawing characteristics, you get them given an adequately accurate sensor that allows the drawing characteristic of the lens to be imaged. But if you are looking for the FoV/DoF relationship of a 24x36mm format coupled with a lens drawing characteristic, the only way to obtain that is with a 24x36mm format camera AND a sensor that accurately images the lens drawing. They are two separate things combined together.

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    Godfrey/Jerry_R,

    I'm not the moderator and while I enjoy the discussion, I don't think it belong in this thread specifically. I will follow the discussion if a new thread is created. I think this topic gets discussed with some regularity actually.

    To those you commented on my pics, thank you very much.
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    Scott, i agree

    more photos , less tech talk pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlesK View Post
    Lloyd, stunning panorama of a shot!!!

    Shots from Melbourne streets late in the evening. 35 Lux FLE and M9
    Thanks Charles. Great shots here. I love the shadows in that first one. That second shot is interesting (and I got a kick out the fact that it's "Celestial Ave") It has a look like it could have been taken in Lisbon or somewhere in Spain. I was actually surprised to see it was Melbourne.

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    Charles,
    great atmosphere of a night scene,beautiful composition.

    24/1,4 looks good
    Plus 1 from here.

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    Cendo: Very nice series of images. I especially like the shot with the ladder. The light in that one is really impressive.

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    Always giving of herself.
    (A cousin is in hospital following emergency surgery. It's still touch and go. Mimi decided since she couldn't do anything else to help, she could at least give blood.)

    M8, Nocti 1.0 @ f1.4:

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    Lloyd, Wozza, Joe, Ed, Gary, Charles - thanks for your comments.

    Charles - like the Melbourne streets, especially the first. Enjoyed the processing as well.

    Ceh - nice series.

    Lloyd - powerful image behind the story, and still with a smile Really hope all goes well.

    Mike

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    Lloyd,
    Picture tells the story

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    ...I hesitated..


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    Quote Originally Posted by SYGTAFOTO View Post
    Godfrey/Jerry_R,

    I'm not the moderator and while I enjoy the discussion, I don't think it belong in this thread specifically. I will follow the discussion if a new thread is created. I think this topic gets discussed with some regularity actually.

    To those you commented on my pics, thank you very much.
    Can't say I disagree. But discussion develops, springs out of looking at photographs and trying to analyze/understand them, so some digressions seem appropriate now and then.

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    Got a bit of catching up to do... but Mike Woods... your landscape set was quite amazing... I wouldn't mind a few of those hanging on my studio desk :]

    Here are a few I took from the past week!

    During the final few days of our first studio project. Wesley requested "candid" shots of him. Hillary had a nice shirt.






    We concluded our first studio project yesterday with a day of critiques. Everyone gets dressed up for crits :] It was also Miho's birthday... people put up a bunch of balloons around her desk!










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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickCheung View Post
    Got a bit of catching up to do... but Mike Woods... your landscape set was quite amazing... I wouldn't mind a few of those hanging on my studio desk :]

    Here are a few I took from the past week!

    During the final few days of our first studio project. Wesley requested "candid" shots of him. Hillary had a nice shirt.
    We concluded our first studio project yesterday with a day of critiques. Everyone gets dressed up for crits :] It was also Miho's birthday... people put up a bunch of balloons around her desk!

    ..Patrick,
    This is a great

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceh View Post
    ..Patrick,
    This is a great
    I agree, in fact I really like them all. They have a real documentary feel to them which is great. Can I ask your tools of the trade?

    And thank you for your kind comments on my landscapes.

    Mike

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    Sunset at -10C


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    dude 163,
    excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Woods View Post
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    Lloyd - powerful image behind the story, and still with a smile Really hope all goes well.

    Mike
    Quote Originally Posted by ceh View Post
    Lloyd,
    Picture tells the story
    Many thanks guys. Much appreciated.

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    ..Patrick,
    This is a great
    +1 from me.

    Quote Originally Posted by ceh View Post
    dude 163,
    excellent
    Excellent indeed.

    Cendo: That last shot is fantastic. The hooded person really adds mystery to the image.

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    Cenek, Lloyd and Mike, thank you guys, much appreciated
    Cenek, great series of street scenes!! My favourite are the old man with the accordion and the last shot... timeless
    Lloyd, powerful image and feelings. The eyes say it all!
    Patrick, love the impromptu captures, very nice!
    Robert,nice sunset!
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    :P Thanks all!

    Ceh... that's a really nice shot... so mysterious!

    Mike, my tools? Just an M8 and a 40/1.4 nokton :] I'm finding myself very... satisfied with these toys. I would really want a 35/1.4 Summilux and an M9, but I don't feel the NEED for one. The M8 and 40/1.4 (even if it's not leica glass) make me happy :]
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    Leica M9 + CV Color Skopar 50mm f/2.5

    thanks for looking!

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    Sunning


    Leica M9 + CV Color-Skopar 50mm f/2.5

    Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated.
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    Communicating #70


    Leica M9 + M-Rokkor 40mm f/2

    thanks for looking, comments appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post

    Leica M9 + CV Color-Skopar 50mm f/2.5

    Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated.
    Godfrey - I like the simple elements in this photo - very nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickCheung View Post
    Mike, my tools? Just an M8 and a 40/1.4 nokton :] I'm finding myself very... satisfied with these toys. I would really want a 35/1.4 Summilux and an M9, but I don't feel the NEED for one. The M8 and 40/1.4 (even if it's not leica glass) make me happy :]
    I can see why. Good work, Patrick.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainjoe View Post
    Godfrey - I like the simple elements in this photo - very nice
    Agree, very nice Godfrey.

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    Just working up some images from yesterday....Brecon Beacons, Wales. This is one of the first, early morning light with M8 and Zeiss 25mm:



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    Mike: Another winner! Really nice.

    Godfrey: Both shots are nice; i like the moment you captured in "Communicating", but "Sunning" is special. It has an HBC feel to it. Terrific work.

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    Respite Under Museum

    Thank you, Mike!

    Wandering a bit in San Francisco yesterday, passing the Contemporary Jewish Museum, this scene caught my eye and I couldn't resist making a photograph.


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    Mike and Godfrey, please, keep posting up those great photos!

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    Trip to Afghanistan

    | Leica M9 | 35mm Summilux ASPH | 50mm Summilux ASPH | 50mm Noctilux ASPH | 75mm Summicron ASPH |
    | Leica S2-P | Grip | 35mm Summarit ASPH | 70mm Summarit ASPH | 120mm Summarit ASPH|
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    Godfrey: Great b&w shots!
    Patrick: I really like your candids!
    Zoomstop: I really like that "home depot" shot!

    Here's one that I took a couple of months ago but never got around to posting. Taken with the M9 and Carl Zeiss Biogon 2/35



    And four more with the Voigtlander 21mm Color Skopar








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    Amazing images!

    Thanks for posting, K-H.

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    Thanks y'all.

    Too many great photos add to this thread to keep track of!

    ...
    So the M-Rokkor 40/2 has become nearly welded to the M9 for a while, it ain't moving yet. I just un-welded the Nokton from the Ricoh GXR-M and fitted the Ultron 28/2 today ... this coming week that's what I'm going to be shooting with. Should prove interesting!
    ...

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    Thank you all for your comments.

    Godfrey,Mike,Zoomstop,Wozza604
    great images

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wozza604 View Post

    Here's one that I took a couple of months ago but never got around to posting. Taken with the M9 and Carl Zeiss Biogon 2/35
    Very nice. Love that second shot especially.

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    This thread moves at lighting speed! Love to take the time to review all photography and it is always a great treat!

    . . . . . keep 'em coming!

    The Shed ~ Fort Worden ~ Port Townsend, WA



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    Thanks Lloyd, Godfrey, Ceh

    Godfrey, the museum image is terrific.

    Zoomstop, the road to Jalalabad is my favourite. Time for a sensor clean?

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    +1

    Dan, the shed is great.

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    A few more from the weekend, M8 and Zeiss 25mm...let me know if this is getting boring

    A few words on the Zeiss. I wear glasses and I find it a pig to frame properly. I end up peering around the viewfinder like some idiot, and still end up including too much, or not enough :roll eyes: But it's ability to resolve detail is pretty amazing. Anyway, a few images - hope you enjoy them:











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    Very nice Mike. That lens does have some special qualities, and seems especially suited to the M8. Glad you're willing to put up with the idiosyncrasies, and to share the results with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    This thread moves at lighting speed! Love to take the time to review all photography and it is always a great treat!

    . . . . . keep 'em coming!

    The Shed ~ Fort Worden ~ Port Townsend, WA

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    Love the color and texture Dan. Great to see you posting here again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seakayaker View Post
    This thread moves at lighting speed! Love to take the time to review all photography and it is always a great treat!

    . . . . . keep 'em coming!

    The Shed ~ Fort Worden ~ Port Townsend, WA

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6...89946f0c_b.jpg

    Leica M9 with Elmar-M 24mm f3.8 ASPH
    I agree ... too much to keep up with.

    I like this shed, but the color and contrast is becoming a little too extreme for my tastes. It's right on the edge... :-)

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    Dan: Nice shed!
    Wozza : love those, especially the first two
    Mike W : zeiss = neiss!
    zoom: I like Home Depot
    Godfrey: keep up the good work

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    I went to the model airplane clubs annual flyin at the Coliseum Sports Centre

    I took my family and the M8/cron 50 combo ( I love the retro rendering of this 48 yr old jewel!)










    and as we left.................



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    Really nice set, Robert.

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