They really need to change their name from "SLR Magic" while attempting sell lenses to mirrorless camera and RF users.
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I started using M mount glass with Ricoh GXR-M just because it was more compact and lighter than my Canon 1Dsm3 rig. Now how much does this "magic" lens weight? 'Nuff said.
It'll still be lighter than 1DS3 setup.
As Agnius also mentioned "compact", it is still more compact than most Canon L lenses as well.
Only thing I want to know now is the price... It seems to be an awesome lens comparable to the Noctilux. My decision would be "Should I get 50 lux asph or this... I imagine the prices will be close.
A couple of minor things on the SLR magic lens... I wish they get rid of the green ring. I wish they designed the lens to fit 60mm filters instead of 62mm...
Just for comparison -
Weight: Leica M9P = 585g
SLR Magic .95 lens = 975g
Canon 1Dsm3 is 1205g + 180g (battery) + 545g for 50mm f1.2
So yeah, Leica "solution" is lighter, but from ergonomic point of view I would take Canon.
I am glad to see another company that has balls to produce products to challenge the dominance of other companies. I don't know how much innovation - most of modern Chinese goods I have seen are either based on western designs ("Designed in California, made in China", etc.) or copies of them. I presume it is a copy, so let's see how good of a copy it is.
One thing for sure is I will not be buying one - I have no reason to.
If weight is of concern, there is always the f/1.4 route if you don't need f/0.95-f/1.4. Ergonomic is debatable. Some like Leica for its simplicity.
I like the 0.7m MFD and round aperture blades.
One thing I want to know is the focus ring travel (longer/shorter than Noctilux).
Bokeh at edges is somewhat disturbing/unpleasant on some of the sample pics.
Interesting review of an interesting lens!
As much as some may mock at this idea, I would like to see a "brick wall" test and a few comparisons instead of showing swirly bokeh from a $6,000 camera. It is very easy to get such images on an m4/3rds cam and cheap, readily available c-mount lenses.
. .. and it weighs 295 gms more than the noctilux as well
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Very interesting lens and the bokeh seems to be much nicer than on the Voigtländer 50/1.1. Will probably be an excellent portrait lens for m4/3, NEX or Ricoh as well. I fear the price will be high though...
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Huff says it will not be cheap. It will be interesting to see whether they can sell enough to make their investment back. Nokton has a brand reputation and track record. These guys do not, but they seem to be serious.
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I wish them well though.
A Nocti is worth 1 and a half Leica S2 lenses ...quite a large premium and I am sure worth it, - I miss not having a Nocti - maybe this is the lens I can justify owning... I reckon they could sell as many as they make at sub 2K pricing.
My Noct f/1 is my most used lens.
I am looking forward to trying out this one from SLR Magic.
12 elements in 7 groups. That is a record for a 50mm lens. The Canon 50/0.95 of 1961 used 7 elements in 5 groups, the Nikkor-N 5cm F1.1 lens used 9 elements 7 groups. The 50/1.1 Nokton is 7 elements in 5 groups, as is the Noctilux.
I am waiting for KR's testing and review.
Very thick elements and heavy.
Zeiss and Leica use rather more sophisticated materials. More expensive.
What does not make sense is that this complex configuration does not appear to give any better result.
I spend a lot of time with my Noct f/1 and I've tried most of the other ultra fast 50's that I could afford. I'll be really interested to see what the price is. Quality control will also be a consideration. I suspect that if Steve Huff's samples are any indication and the price is under $3000, these will be in high demand and if the production is semi-handmade ala the Noctilux, supply may never catch up with demand.
Aspherical elements are in a lens to correct spherical aberrations. None of the f/1 Noctilux lenses or the Canon 50/0.95 have them. Only the f/1.2 and the f/0.95 Noctiluxes.
With so many elements, even the computation is going to be complicated as the variables are increased many fold.
It will be interesting to see what the real specifications of the lens are- in addition to the size and weight.
Everybody go buy this lens so I can pick up your Noct for cheap.
It is big. It is heavy.
It is built like a tank.
Optically, it appears to be excellent.
It focuses close. It focuses fast.
It is the real deal.
An honest to goodness Noctilux competitor.
It is not for everyone.
But for those who want a 50mm f/0.95 M mount lens that focuses to 0.7 meters and is a serious player in the Image Quality department this lens fits the bill.
One caveat, I saw a lot of images that were shot with this lens and I used it myself but I did not make any large prints. That will be my endpoint for final judgement.
One more caveat, the lenses I saw and used were all pre-production.
Thanks to Steve Huff and SLR Magic for making it happen.
Some of the shots in the new samples set are simply superb!
I was at the workshop. Tried this lens. It's awesome. Definitely holds its own with the .95 noctilux. Though it is heavy and heavier than the noctilux, if you'd be okay with the nocti, you'd be okay with this. And though there's no price yet, people will be saving quite a bit.
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Even if its 8 grand you are saving 3000 bucks! thats a lux lens right there as a backup
I was at the Huff Workshop and used the lens extensively. Here are a few to share:
SLR Magic 50 mm f.0.95 Hyperprime....friggin magic!!!
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Ashwin, wow... awesome shots!
Now I am starting the think the waiting time for Lux's and Nocti is long enough, what will it be for the SLR Magic!!! If the pricing is right, there will be a massive lineup. I really feel this is the magic of having a M9, that lenses like this become available
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Ok, I was already impressed and those are lights out! Now for the price...
The night shots with OOF highlights are interesting. The odd shapes and the smearing of the highlights are indicative of all the aberrations this lens has to offer.
I hope "SLR Magic" will also supply some data (MTF, Chromatic aberration corrections, Distortions and the like) regarding the lens.
Ashwin, how is the focus ring? Short throw, long throw? Weight? Thanks.
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Lovely shots! How does it compare to Noct 0.95?
Well those are great shots but I still think price will determine the success. I can't see people spending more than $2500 for it. That's not a knock on quality but most people are going on word of mouth from a relatively unheard of company. Also while the Noctilux is $12K now, the Voigtlander is still a sub $1500 lens (yes I know it's f/1.1 and not f/0.95) and it has to compete on the lower end as well.
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Seems like a major accomplishment from SLR Magic. Great shots, Ashwin!
Thanks. First, I really enjoyed the lens. The focus throw is about a 90 degree turn of the focus from min focus to infinity. It's a shorter focus throw. The focussing ring stiffness varied from lens to lens, making rotational finger fatigue more dependent on how tight the ring was. I found focussing to be quite easy for a lens of such aperture. It was a delight to use.
SLR Magic has MTF charts that suggest optimal performance in wide apertures, with a drop off rather steeply thereafter. Everything they were going for was performance wide open, but has Steve showed on his site, the performance at f/4 is startling...some of the best I have ever seen, right up there with the 75 'cron.
As for cost, the lens costs more than $2500 to make, and the RF coupling is difficult and expensive. There'll be 2 versions (mechanically speaking, maybe more cosmetically), a RF and non-RF coupled version. I suspect that the lens will come in around $3500-$4000, but that's just an educated guess. The truth is that SLR Magic is still researching costs, and how to set the price to compete in the market and also determine their own part in the supply/demand equation.
Here's one more cropped shot with the lens:
Yat, I would say that it compares quite favorably with the Noct. For many, it'd be as good as the much more expensive lens in practical use. I think that the Noct will likely be a better peformer along the entire aperture range, and the SLR magic will have a "fatter bokeh", but otherwise, the lenses would be neck and neck, with the SLR magic being larger (disfavor) but closer focusing (favor) than the Noct f/.95
Ashwin, The last picture you show seems to suggest what I said earlier- this may not cover (might illuminate) the whole full frame completely.
I would like to see the MTF charts and other data for whichever version they would sell.
Andrew at SLR Magic reported that to compensate for vignetting, the lens elements were manufactured to provider greater-than-full frame coverage, thus allowing vignetting to be effectively beyond the full frame sensor coverage.....that's my understanding. Vignetting is minimal
The lens has its own aberrations, just as does the Noictilux....D shaped OOF is what Leica does. The SLR magic has "soap bubble" specular highlights in some instances (bright rim around specular highlights). Not sure how that pertains to FF vs non-full frame.
Set the lens to infinity (at f/0.95) and see if how far the sharpness extends from the center- that will show how much coverage is there.