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    Thanks Ashwin

    Your writeup was spot on with explanations and examples of what I have seen from the mm.

    However final results (i.e. after processing) show great promise to me. I have never seen digital black and white files where shadow detail in very black areas are so well preserved while at the same time in the presence of severe highlights. Seems to be a new definition of dynamic range!

    Thanks for you writeup which to me was really helpful

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    Nice work, Ed. Love the poses that you have captured across the board

    Bob, I enjoyed the footie goal box...


    Here are a few images to share from this evening's Thanksgiving Festivities:

    C-Sonnar 50:










    35 summarit


    One with the 35 Summilux LFE (taken by my friend Joe, but it is my finger)
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    After reading your article on Steve Huff's site I really see interesting tones from the older rigid summicron. I don't have this lens or a 50 Summarit but I will be taking some photos (just as soon as I get my MM) using the Voightlander 75 1.2 Heliar. Should produce much less clinical results than my Leica aspheric lenses but I will be anxious to compare with yours.

    Again thanks for the most interesting and informative article

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    Leica Monochrom and 35 Summilux ASPH


    Primordial Texas Lake
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    Really nice, Bob. I especially like the processing on that last one.

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    A recent portrait....

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    After reading Ashwin's thoughts on MM with older lenses I tried a couple today. A Summitar and an f/1 Noct. Didn't shoot anything worth posting. The Summitar was surprisingly sharp but with unlikable bokeh. The Noct showed its glow wide open and stopped down to about f/4 became a different, somewhat clinical lens... clinical in B&W. In color it's great stopped down. Of course, reading Ashwin's post at the Huff site made me recall every lens I've ever sold.

    What's the current thinking on trying to collapse a Summitar on the M9 or the MM? This one is M-mount.
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    In regard to Leica's latest lenses, I think that it will continue to take awhile for people to feel accustomed to what looks best to them with the combination of the MM and modern lenses ... especially as they continue to experiment with their approach to post processing.

    I've shot a lot of images with the S2 and a combination of older lenses like the Zeiss 110/2 and Mamiya 80/1.9 lenses. In fact, I spent nearly 6 months with the camera where I rarely used S lenses. I think it was because I was used to trying to get a look that I was familiar with the M9.

    But over time, I've gravitated back to shooting with S lenses extensively as I've really begun to like the crisp modern Leica look that is attainable with Leica's latest lenses. It's an aesthetic that is different from film and the approximation that some try to get with digital files by playing with sliders in software including adding grain. Maybe one just has to give their mind an opportunity to become more familiar with the look. I believe that it is a look that stands well on its own ... after all, we've become a high definition digital world.

    Of course, it's fantastic that MM is available with an M mount so that no matter one's tastes, the only limitation to how the final image looks truly rests with the photographer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    In regard to Leica's latest lenses, I think that it will continue to take awhile for people to feel accustomed to what looks best to them with the combination of the MM and modern lenses ... especially as they continue to experiment with their approach to post processing.

    I've shot a lot of images with the S2 and a combination of older lenses like the Zeiss 110/2 and Mamiya 80/1.9 lenses. In fact, I spent nearly 6 months with the camera where I rarely used S lenses. I think it was because I was used to trying to get a look that I was familiar with the M9.

    But over time, I've gravitated back to shooting with S lenses extensively as I've really begun to like the crisp modern Leica look that is attainable with Leica's latest lenses. It's an aesthetic that is different from film and the approximation that some try to get with digital files by playing with sliders in software including adding grain. Maybe one just has to give their mind an opportunity to become more familiar with the look. I believe that it is a look that stands well on its own ... after all, we've become a high definition digital world.

    Of course, it's fantastic that MM is available with an M mount so that no matter one's tastes, the only limitation to how the final image looks truly rests with the photographer.
    I like Kurt's thinking. I'm more interested in working in a new aesthetic than trying to replicate the looks of yesteryear. I just got my MM and am deciding whether I should trade in a Noctilux for the 50mm APO in following Kurt's word.

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    Primordial Texas Lake
    Or So It Seemed
    Primordial fence in the background?

    Sorry, couldn't resist. Nice photo...wrong title, methinks, Bob.

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    Primordial fence in the background?

    Sorry, couldn't resist. Nice photo...wrong title, methinks, Bob.

    Jeff
    If you have followed my pics over the past year the fence is a new addition...in the past month. I had planned to do a four seasons survey of the lake...only to find this travesty. Cannot tell you what I think...do not want the moderators shutting down the thread.

    I actually climbed the sucker and walked around the lake to get the pic.

    One assumes that most every lawyer in the country is attempting to protect us from anything wild, old, "dangerous", and perhaps, primordial...all billable hours for them and unredeemable losses for the rest of us. BTW... the lake is shallow enough to wade at its flood stage...makes no sense at all.

    Which is why the Title ends with Or So It Seemed.....

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    Thanks, Bob...had no idea. Bummer.

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    Here are a couple of the older captures...please forgive my OT post....


    Leica S2-P


    Fence Posts Lakes Edge






    Trees and Heron





    Winter Lake Early Morning




    I had hoped to explore the winter ... snow ice and fog with the Monochrom.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff S View Post
    Thanks, Bob...had no idea. Bummer.

    Jeff
    No, your post was spot on....I did not articulate my angst / anger / loss well enough with the title.

    Now that I know how to do a circus balancing act on the aircraft cable of the fence I may be game for a somewhat less expansive survey of its potential.

    Just need to keep enough money for bail in my kit.....

    Although when the temperature drops below 20 F I doubt they will be checking it at the hours I will frequent it.

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    No, your post was spot on....
    Good thing...I'm now aware of your problem with posts.

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    Well....

    Back to the Monochrom.

    Monochrom and 35 Summicron ASPH


    Self on Tin





    High and Lifted





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    this b/w work got me so inspired i bought an M7 and just today souped my first roll of hp5, drying now.
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    Love to see your results!

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    Golden Gate Park this A.M.

    50mm Cron-M, yellow filter, ACR 5.7, slight sharpening

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    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Well....
    Back to the Monochrom.
    Seems you missed the joke (pun).

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    A couple from today, MM-style....primarily 28 'cron
















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    A couple from today, MM-style....primarily 28 'cron

    I really like the tones on this one, Ashwin, and like the image as well.
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    Thanks, Ed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff S View Post
    Seems you missed the joke (pun).

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    No actually I did enjoy it.

    Was just trying to get away from a personal focus and back to the camera...as I worry that it was OT.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

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    I like Kurt's thinking. I'm more interested in working in a new aesthetic than trying to replicate the looks of yesteryear. I just got my MM and am deciding whether I should trade in a Noctilux for the 50mm APO in following Kurt's word.
    I like Kurt's thinking as well - and I've gravitated to modern Leica lenses, bascially because I found it tricky mixing the aesthetic, so that the 28 'cron Asp is about the 'oldest' looking lens I have.

    As for the Noctilux / 50 APO trade. I guess it depends on which Noctilux you speak of. If it's the 0.95, I really think you might find it tricky to distinguish between the two lenses at f2. I've had a similar anguish over the new 50 'cron APO - it's gorgeous, and I've been lucky enough to have one to play with for a couple of months. I was going to sell my granny, and also my 50 'lux and 24 'lux to finance it . . . but I found myself increasingly grabbing the 'lux or the noct instead, just in case I wanted the faster lens.

    I decided that the 50 APO Asph 'cron is not an 'instead of' lens (at least for me), and as I can't afford it to be an 'as well as' lens, I'll stick with what I've got for the time being (however beautiful the 'cron might be).

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    Some from Mustique. MM + 35mm Lux FLE + medium Y filter. Two frames stitched.

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    Ditto but just one frame.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Ditto Redux.

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    More Mustique. Same rig.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    More of the same.


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    More. This one with the Nocti at f.95

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    In regard to Leica's latest lenses, I think that it will continue to take awhile for people to feel accustomed to what looks best to them with the combination of the MM and modern lenses ... especially as they continue to experiment with their approach to post processing.

    I've shot a lot of images with the S2 and a combination of older lenses like the Zeiss 110/2 and Mamiya 80/1.9 lenses. In fact, I spent nearly 6 months with the camera where I rarely used S lenses. I think it was because I was used to trying to get a look that I was familiar with the M9.

    But over time, I've gravitated back to shooting with S lenses extensively as I've really begun to like the crisp modern Leica look that is attainable with Leica's latest lenses. It's an aesthetic that is different from film and the approximation that some try to get with digital files by playing with sliders in software including adding grain. Maybe one just has to give their mind an opportunity to become more familiar with the look. I believe that it is a look that stands well on its own ... after all, we've become a high definition digital world.

    Of course, it's fantastic that MM is available with an M mount so that no matter one's tastes, the only limitation to how the final image looks truly rests with the photographer.
    It is simply nostalgia. Like Harley Davidson riders are trying to be rebellious, but they are using a conservative and commercial image with which to do it, completely against the idea that created the biker in black leather in the first place. And when the Leica concept came out, it was going against the grain and the cutting-edge technology of the day.

    While I think it is wrong to throw the baby out with the split milk, afterall, the fundamental technology works and works well, there is a lot to explore with new innovations, even as simply as just really well made optics. I find it amusing how many people complain their optics are not perfect and then condemn a lens as "clinical" because it is. When change and innovation is ignored over tradition and the status quo, you have a dead art.

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    a few from the past week or so..

    url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/jcwarren41/8219656090/][/url]
    L1000473-Edit.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    L1000470.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    L1000468-Edit.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    L1000145-Edit.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr

    Any insight is appreciated..**disclaimer** I am lazy when it comes to PP. My guess is I will be forced to learn patience when dealing with LR and Silver FX.

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    The carrier picture is a crackerjack, Jeff, just beautiful!

    Cheers,

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    Thanks Simon. a few more from the past week.


    L1000454-Edit.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    L1000402-Edit.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    L1000346.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    L1000270.jpg by [email protected], on Flickr


    Thanks Jeff W
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    Two Grays

    A gray, gray day. 50mm Cron-M with yellow filter. This first shot is meant to explore the possibility of maintaining the "grayness" of the image while keeping density. With shots like this one, the pixel-peeping richness of detail is so lovely that I really just want to upload 100% crops.



    This cropped shot has its problems but for me also has its retro charms.

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    Two more gray shots.

    Both with 50mm Cron + yellow. The night shot (ISO 1600) is just an exercise. Comments on tonal scales appreciated.




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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    I like Kurt's thinking as well - and I've gravitated to modern Leica lenses, bascially because I found it tricky mixing the aesthetic, so that the 28 'cron Asp is about the 'oldest' looking lens I have.

    As for the Noctilux / 50 APO trade. I guess it depends on which Noctilux you speak of. If it's the 0.95, I really think you might find it tricky to distinguish between the two lenses at f2. I've had a similar anguish over the new 50 'cron APO - it's gorgeous, and I've been lucky enough to have one to play with for a couple of months. I was going to sell my granny, and also my 50 'lux and 24 'lux to finance it . . . but I found myself increasingly grabbing the 'lux or the noct instead, just in case I wanted the faster lens.

    I decided that the 50 APO Asph 'cron is not an 'instead of' lens (at least for me), and as I can't afford it to be an 'as well as' lens, I'll stick with what I've got for the time being (however beautiful the 'cron might be).

    all the best
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    It's too bad that Leica makes so many good lenses, isn't it? Every time I think I should sell the Noct (I have the 0.95) because of its weight, etc., I take a photograph that couldn't have been made with anything else, and I decide to keep it. You're probably right that the summicron should be cabined to the "as well as" category. I certainly don't need my own "fiscal cliff."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Lawyer View Post
    Jono,

    It's too bad that Leica makes so many good lenses, isn't it? Every time I think I should sell the Noct (I have the 0.95) because of its weight, etc., I take a photograph that couldn't have been made with anything else, and I decide to keep it. You're probably right that the summicron should be cabined to the "as well as" category. I certainly don't need my own "fiscal cliff."
    But you are a Lawyer . . and I'm only a humble software developer, so different rules may apply

    but we agree absolutely about the 0.95 Noct - it's possible one should never have spent the money, but getting rid of it is unthinkable!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

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    I like Kurt's thinking as well - and I've gravitated to modern Leica lenses, bascially because I found it tricky mixing the aesthetic, so that the 28 'cron Asp is about the 'oldest' looking lens I have.

    As for the Noctilux / 50 APO trade. I guess it depends on which Noctilux you speak of. If it's the 0.95, I really think you might find it tricky to distinguish between the two lenses at f2. I've had a similar anguish over the new 50 'cron APO - it's gorgeous, and I've been lucky enough to have one to play with for a couple of months. I was going to sell my granny, and also my 50 'lux and 24 'lux to finance it . . . but I found myself increasingly grabbing the 'lux or the noct instead, just in case I wanted the faster lens.

    I decided that the 50 APO Asph 'cron is not an 'instead of' lens (at least for me), and as I can't afford it to be an 'as well as' lens, I'll stick with what I've got for the time being (however beautiful the 'cron might be).

    all the best
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    In anticipation of high ISO M cameras, I sold my 0.95 and secured a 50 Lux ASPH which I've always loved anyway. $10K+ tied up in a lens for the once in a blue moon need was bit much for my needs. Yet, 50/2 is a bit too slow, and lacks the shallow f/1.4 DOF I want.

    Now the only lens in question since working with the MM is the 90/2.8. I don't use a 90 very often, so it's an open question.

    The only other lenses I use on the S camera are the Hasselblad H series ... especially the newer ones like the 50-II and 150N, which have a similar aesthetic to the S lenses when using the Leica provided DAC software corrections.

    BTW, I am absolutely stunned by how good the post work is on the MM photos posted here. Seems I have a lot to learn about this camera yet.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    My humble attempts.

    On a little pre-holiday decompression trip to St Petersburg Florida I took the MM because we go there every year, and I've shot color M stuff to death. B&W was a nice break, and it gave me a chance to start learning the camera.

    Interesting how B&W only makes you think differently ... subjects I may not have shot with a color camera spurs new interest when thought about in B&W. Closest creative experience to my long gone M film camera yet.

    Need to hone my B&W instincts, and work on the post processing ... but that'll come with time and use. The camera is most certainly a long term keeper. I will say that I was stunned by the DR when exposed properly.

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    Of particular fun was a side trip to the little town of dog friendly Dunedin, featuring buildings painted with doggie images.
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    Of particular fun was a side trip to the little town of dog friendly Dunedin, featuring buildings painted with doggie images.
    My daughter loves the little dog on under the towel. I love the tones on the sand and spade!

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    Corner of 16th and 7th

    I've been wanting to see more MM images and nobody's put anything up for a day. This is taken in a corner of San Francisco where some streets end and others curve to follow the bay. The northern part of San Francisco is definitely not laid out on a grid. This particular shot was at the corner of 16th and 7th Streets, about a half a mile from the intersection of 3rd and 4th Streets. 50mm Cron-M, yellow filter, ISO 1600

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    My MM's in NJ being checked out for it's 'locking up' problem. I had to go back a bit to find something that i hadn't processed/posted.

    MM; 35mm f/1.4 FLE; 1/45s; ISO 6400


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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Still life with Nocti

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    One more with Nocti

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    After months of lurking in this forum and watching in awe to the photos posted here, finally I got first my Leica M, my very first encounter with an RF actually, and loving it.





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    18th Street, Potrero Hill

    This was shot after sunset around 5PM yesterday walking home. Thought I'd see how much detail could be got. The camera was still at ISO 1000 after shooting the skateboarders at the bottom of the hill. Exposure was 1/2000! Processed in ACR 5.7, 50mm Cron-M, yellow filter.

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    Ocean Beach, storm coming

    A large storm is coming in. In weather like this, at this time of day, all cameras approach monochrome. 50mm Cron-M, yellow filter, ISO 800.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    BTW, I am absolutely stunned by how good the post work is on the MM photos posted here.

    -Marc
    I absolutely agree - stunning work here and I know for a fact that it didn't leave the camera looking this good.

    I would say that this thread has some of the best superb imaging that I think is only matched by some of the great work a few people are also doing with their X100's over on the Fuji forum. It is certainly the artists in both fora that get the very best from their tools and captures.

    Btw, I hope you're all proud of yourselves because I fell hopelessly in love with this camera when I tried it and also saw the great work here too. I ordered one a few months ago with the plan of it being my ONLY M for the future. My digital MP so to speak. Thanks. My wallet hates you all
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