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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    This is going to be a little bit irrational. The MM has been my constant companion for the last month. 24/7. I've got a daily photo blog to feed, for better or for worse.

    As an object the MM is my favorite camera ever. And I've owned a lot of cameras (a number of them Leicas but also goodies like a Rollei 2.8F, a Hasselblad SWC, a Contax G2, and Ebony 4x5 . . . I could go on). For some reason the MM has made it easier to sort through my lenses and understand what works and what their limitations are. I think and shoot more manually with it. (In the viewfinder the red arrow on the left is your friend in high contrast situations, the one on the right is your friend in low contrast situations.) I'm making fewer technical mistakes.

    It has provoked my to sell most of my non-Leica gear. I'm now questioning whether I need MF.

    Jono's advice on never selling Leica gear is excellent.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Howdy folks! I think I will enjoy this thread.

    Have to thank Jono for sharing those raw files a few months back. A very enjoyable camera to use, although it still has all the quirks and annoyances of the M9.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Awesome, Joe, you got one!!!

    Here a few from my MM, now that it's in my hands:









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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    My photo shoot of a 'photo shoot' at the Pike Place Market, the other day.

    M-M; 50mm f/1.4; 1/60s; ISO 1000


    M-M; 50mm f/1.4; 1/60s; ISO 1000


    M-M; 50mm f/1.4; 1/90s; ISO 500


    M-M; 50mm f/1.4; 1/60s; ISO 1000


    M-M; 50mm f/1.4; 1/60s; ISO 1000


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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    MM + 35 Lux, 6 frames stitched.

    At some point we're all going to get over the high key post effects.

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    M-M; 50mm f/1.4; 1/60s; ISO 1600


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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    MM in Charlotte, mainly with the 50 mm f/2 Rigid cron with various filters:







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    Zoomed out version of the swimmer...

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Joe & Ashwin, congratulations on picking up the MM!

    Always enjoy the photographs that both of you post!

    . . . . . do hope you enjoy your time in Charlotte, Go Hawks!

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    Hi Ashwin,

    have enjoyed your past images with the MM and good to see you're posting more. I wish it was possible in that wider shot of the swimmer and pool (from above), was actually much wider where one can see a circular pool completely surrounded by the deck chairs. That would have been a very cool shot assuming you could get up high enough (or go wide enough) for such a shot and they the chairs even surrounded the pool. As it is (and would be), almost reminds me of an iconic shot from the 50's!

    One other question Ashwin...in the image with the two gentlemen (in Charlotte), the bokeh of the trees look like it might have come from a vintage lens. What lens was used to take the shott? Thanks!

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    Hi Dave,
    The "vintage" shot was taken with a 50 mm f/2 Rigid Summicron (chrome), probably my favorite vintage lens (since I am generally a 50 guy)

    As for wider croppage, here you go (wasn't wide enough to get all of the chairs):

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    Hi Ashwin,

    The widest of the crops (pool shot) looks great and not sure if a wider one existed that it would be better. This one leave something to the imagination and has a great nostalgic look to it.

    As for other shot with the two gentlemen, upon first look, the bokeh of that shot looked like it came from a vintage lens. The more I see shots taken with the rigid cron, the more I like! Thanks for responding with the info and wider crop.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
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    As it is (and would be), almost reminds me of an iconic shot from the 50's!

    . . . .

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    As indeed it should. Many, many of the iconic shots of the 50s and 60s were in fact taken with the rigid summicron or its optical twin, the dual range summicron. I have the latter and it's my most used lens.

    BTW I too like the widest crop.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Hi Dave,
    The "vintage" shot was taken with a 50 mm f/2 Rigid Summicron (chrome), probably my favorite vintage lens (since I am generally a 50 guy)

    As for wider croppage, here you go (wasn't wide enough to get all of the chairs):

    I actually like this version the best. I hate to articulate why I like photos because the words don't actually fit what I feel. But this shows a this small pool of water almost artificially placed (or punched out) in another artificial plane of tiles. The surrounding chairs give more a sense this is an arena where folks come to view the activity in the pool. It also puts a greater emphasis on the strange orientation of the plane of the ground that seems to be tilting and falling away and when combined with the water, there is a sense of vertigo. And there are small details like the single person in the chair and the sandals next to the empty chair--presumably belonging to the swimmer. While the crops are very graphic, there is a greater mystery for me in the whole frame.

    But that is really not what I feel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    As indeed it should. Many, many of the iconic shots of the 50s and 60s were in fact taken with the rigid summicron or its optical twin, the dual range summicron. I have the latter and it's my most used lens.

    BTW I too like the widest crop.
    That makes the combination of the rigid Summicron and The MM quote potent. Nice!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Those are from camera jpgs with high contrast setting (by fault I disabled raw).
    MM with the 135mm.
    Normally I would have probably made this image in color, but being forced to b&w I like the result better than I thought when taking the image.
    One of the reasons I like the MM...it makes me to take different approach.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Party, MM + Nocti.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    More. Same rig.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    More of the same:

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Woody,

    There is a very distracting circular gradient in the outer edges of all three captures....

    Any idea as to the source of this?


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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by docmoore View Post
    Woody,

    There is a very distracting circular gradient in the outer edges of all three captures....

    Any idea as to the source of this?


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    Interesting - they almost look like interference rings radiating outward s from the lens centre. Filter maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    Interesting - they almost look like interference rings radiating outward s from the lens centre. Filter maybe?
    Really weird. Not evident at all viewing the original files in LR. Something between there and here. They look like moires.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    A few more from the Pike Place Market.

    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/1000s; -2/3 EV; ISO 320


    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/1000s; -2/3 EV; ISO 320


    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/1000s; -2/3 EV; ISO 320


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    Quick but not dirty. Three jpegs blended in Photomatix. Unfortunately Photmatiix returns a colour RGB - not cricket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Really weird. Not evident at all viewing the original files in LR. Something between there and here. They look like moires.
    I had the same problems with my 50 Lux and 35 Lux.
    Without filter.
    Came from the lens correction profiles in LR4.
    Simply not use these lens profiles.
    Certainly not thought for MM files, but for color files
    The problem is more visible after a jpeg conversion and Size compression.
    Hope it's useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Really weird. Not evident at all viewing the original files in LR. Something between there and here. They look like moires.
    Reminds me of Newton rings on film scans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erudolph View Post
    Reminds me of Newton rings on film scans.
    It's adobe's commitment to film authenticity with their correction profiles
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamWelland View Post
    It's adobe's commitment to film authenticity with their correction profiles
    My thoughts too! They really do seem filmic :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by downstairs View Post
    Quick but not dirty. Three jpegs blended in Photomatix. Unfortunately Photmatiix returns a colour RGB - not cricket.
    Beautiful tonality even in this jpg. I would have assumed it was MF or LF film if I didn't know otherwise.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by Daure View Post
    I had the same problems with my 50 Lux and 35 Lux.
    Without filter.
    Came from the lens correction profiles in LR4.
    Simply not use these lens profiles.
    Certainly not thought for MM files, but for color files
    The problem is more visible after a jpeg conversion and Size compression.
    Hope it's useful.
    Very very helpful - there were about two dozen candidates in my mind and I was going to have to go through them one at a time (export sharpening was at the top of my list). I'll start here.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Pike Place Market.

    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/3000s; -1/3 EV; ISO 320


    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/90s; -2/3 EV; ISO 320


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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Thanks Ash, Dan and everyon else for the kind words!

    Yes, Ash I got one and loving it! Looks like you are having fun with yours too. The 50Cron rigid rendering looks really nice.

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    I think that used to be my Rigid Cron - once I saw your photos with it, I regretted selling. Fortunately, I located another one, this one's not getting away.

    I just wish you wouldn't make the Monochrom so tempting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Hi Dave,
    The "vintage" shot was taken with a 50 mm f/2 Rigid Summicron (chrome), probably my favorite vintage lens (since I am generally a 50 guy)

    As for wider croppage, here you go (wasn't wide enough to get all of the chairs):

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Today I got Aperture and the Photomatix plugin. This was a tethered 3-shot jpeg tone map. Four minutes from start to finish.

    A detail from the jpeg above...

    Unfortunately Aperture won't read Monochrom DNGs.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Daure - I owe you. Thanks! Here's the party shot with lens correction turned off. No Newton's rings!

    The problem seems to surface in high ISO files and is aggravated by further handling (like downsampling).

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by downstairs View Post
    Today I got Aperture and the Photomatix plugin. This was a tethered 3-shot jpeg tone map. Four minutes from start to finish.

    A detail from the jpeg above...

    Unfortunately Aperture won't read Monochrom DNGs.
    Remarkable image. this could turn into an important body of work for you.
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    Daure - I owe you. Thanks! Here's the party shot with lens correction turned off. No Newton's rings!

    The problem seems to surface in high ISO files and is aggravated by further handling (like downsampling).
    You are welcome. Apologize for my very very bad english.
    Depends of the lens and the lens correction wich "should" be applied too.
    (wide angle and/or lenses with large apertures knowed to vignet)
    Next step : test to turn off the automatic lens detection on the camera, to avoid corrections made by the firmware, wich, for my taste, is a little bit too much a copy and paste of the one of a M9/M9P(color cast - !!! - and/or vignetting)
    Next step for me : check if it is better with the last version of LR : LR 4.2

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    Today I got Aperture and the Photomatix plugin. This was a tethered 3-shot jpeg tone map. Four minutes from start to finish.
    Unfortunately Aperture won't read Monochrom DNGs.

    Wow! This is just stunning!

    What is a 'tethered' shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daure View Post
    You are welcome. Apologize for my very very bad english.
    Depends of the lens and the lens correction wich "should" be applied too.
    (wide angle and/or lenses with large apertures knowed to vignet)
    Next step : test to turn off the automatic lens detection on the camera, to avoid corrections made by the firmware, wich, for my taste, is a little bit too much a copy and paste of the one of a M9/M9P(color cast - !!! - and/or vignetting)
    Next step for me : check if it is better with the last version of LR : LR 4.2
    Let us know how this works out!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Thanks Woody!
    Skimmel, 'tethered' means shooting from the computer screen via an USB cable attached to the Leica (not Monochrom territory, but my MF is out for repairs). Tethering saves detaching the Leica from the tripod to get at the memory card. It also saves shooting spurious variations.

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    Thanks Woody!
    Skimmel, 'tethered' means shooting from the computer screen via an USB cable attached to the Leica (not Monochrom territory, but my MF is out for repairs). Tethering saves detaching the Leica from the tripod to get at the memory card. It also saves shooting spurious variations.
    Thanks. That's what I thought you meant -- does it work OK?

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by downstairs View Post
    Unfortunately Aperture won't read Monochrom DNGs.
    Aperture will support it, but not for a little while (not Leica's fault I think) As I understand it (which could be wrong) it needs an OSX update to accomodate RAW files taken with a camera without a Bayer filter.

    I must admit, that I ended up using jpgs in Aperture rather than DNG files in LR - they seemed to be at least as good (sometimes better), and much easier to handle. The only real disadvantage seems to be the bit depth. I think your lovely shots rather prove the point!

    I'm missing my Monochrom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shashin View Post
    It is not an OS issue--I have used monochome images from scientific cameras on all kinds of computers and OSs. Image processing is not an OS problem.
    Actually, supporting RAW file conversion is, at least it is in OSx (I don't know about Windows . . .)

    Monochrome bit maps aren't a problem clearly (jpg,bmp,tiff-whatever).

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    OS X doesn't support the MM files yet - hence - no application that uses the operating systems raw decoder supports it either.

    The monochrome dng files that the MM creates are very unique, and does not follow the regular dng specification. Apparently Adobe and Leica worked on this together.

    It shouldn't be a problem for Apple to provide support for it though. It requires zero demosaicing so it should in theory be easier to support the MM (and provide as good as possible conversions) than for other sensors that has color filter arrays.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by borge View Post
    OS X doesn't support the MM files yet - hence - no application that uses the operating systems raw decoder supports it either.

    The monochrome dng files that the MM creates are very unique, and does not follow the regular dng specification. Apparently Adobe and Leica worked on this together.

    It shouldn't be a problem for Apple to provide support for it though. It requires zero demosaicing so it should in theory be easier to support the MM (and provide as good as possible conversions) than for other sensors that has color filter arrays.
    That's what I understood - and that it should be coming around Christmas time.

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    This is a single MM shot done with RPP. The Lightness/L* settings produce an RGB(!) which gives a little more satisfaction than the 3-shot jpeg tone-map.
    It seems the only way to get respect for greyscale is to import the dng directly into Photoshop CS6. However The RPP developed RGB/L* is easier to work with.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Skimmel, the simplest tethering setup is the ImageCapture utility on Mac. It read Leica DNGs straight onto a folder and lets you see the results as you shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tele_player View Post
    I think that used to be my Rigid Cron - once I saw your photos with it, I regretted selling. Fortunately, I located another one, this one's not getting away.

    I just wish you wouldn't make the Monochrom so tempting.

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    Robert, great to hear from you, and Yes, this was your lens! I love and adore it, and I am glad that you found another. For me, it's the 50 to have, for rendering, OOF, sharpness, macro/microcontrast, and build. It's a fantastic lens, and seems to stay reasonably priced. Thanks again for the sale...nearly 2-3 years ago now, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Robert, great to hear from you, and Yes, this was your lens! I love and adore it, and I am glad that you found another. For me, it's the 50 to have, for rendering, OOF, sharpness, macro/microcontrast, and build. It's a fantastic lens, and seems to stay reasonably priced. Thanks again for the sale...nearly 2-3 years ago now, no?
    Oh Bah . . . how old? is it a recent 'cron?
    I'm currently being haunted by dreams of the new 50 'cron asph. But my grannies are restless in their graves!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Oh Bah . . . how old? is it a recent 'cron?
    I'm currently being haunted by dreams of the new 50 'cron asph. But my grannies are restless in their graves!
    Old. Late '50s early '60s. It's called the rigid chron because the model that preceded it was collapsable. Same optics as the dual range summicron. These lenses have the most satisfying finish and build quality of any lens that I know of. There are a lot of them on ebay right now. Prices have roughly doubled in the past year. The Dual Range summicron has the advantage of a close focus range (which you'll be able to use on the M(no number) with the EVF) but you have have to have the close focus cam machined off (DAG can do it for a reasonable price) or it won't fit on a digital M body. It defines (to me) the classic Leica rendering. At f5.6 and above contrast and acutance are on a par with modern lenses corner to corner. At F4.0 really good. At f2.0 kinda dreamy. It has a tendency to flair but that may be the key to the look.

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