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    Woody has it right, Jono. Mine has the same optics and general cosmetic look as the Dual Range Summicron but without an attachment for the eyes, just as Woody stated. It's the 2nd version of the 'cron that came after the collapsible 1st version that HCB apparently adored. I love the rigid cron's look. It's not quite critically sharp wide open (but it's adequate and forgiving for portraiture wide open), but by f/5.6, it's just as good and sharp as anything modern, and the look, contrast, etc...is forgiving and classic. It's an undervalued lens, but then again, I think Leica made a ton of these...Build quality is amazing. And prices are on the rise, albeit more gradually. I got a pristine copy from Robert (tele-player) 2 years ago for under $1K USD, but prices for a clean cosmetically and optically copy are a bit more now....

    I am with Woody that this lens DEFINES the classic Leica look. Spherical aberations and what not are reasonably controlled, and the lens was once rated as the sharpest ever made back in the 60's, so it's got plenty of that.

    It's a rich lens that will duly reward anyone who uses it. Jono, you need one my friend. Thorsten Overgaard also seems to love the lens, and has plenty of examples of the lens taken with the M9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    Old. Late '50s early '60s. It's called the rigid chron because the model that preceded it was collapsable. Same optics as the dual range summicron. These lenses have the most satisfying finish and build quality of any lens that I know of. There are a lot of them on ebay right now. Prices have roughly doubled in the past year. The Dual Range summicron has the advantage of a close focus range (which you'll be able to use on the M(no number) with the EVF) but you have have to have the close focus cam machined off (DAG can do it for a reasonable price) or it won't fit on a digital M body. It defines (to me) the classic Leica rendering. At f5.6 and above contrast and acutance are on a par with modern lenses corner to corner. At F4.0 really good. At f2.0 kinda dreamy. It has a tendency to flair but that may be the key to the look.
    If you have the brochure/manual for this lens, you may want to look go through it. You can simply unscrew the lens head and should be able to use it with one of the Leica doodahs for even closer focus- on the M (no name) with live view. Quite neat.

    EDIT: This refers only to the DR Summicron.
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    I am with Woody that this lens DEFINES the classic Leica look. Spherical aberations and what not are reasonably controlled, and the lens was once rated as the sharpest ever made back in the 60's, so it's got plenty of that.
    I think one of the aspects of the "classic Leica look" comes from spherical aberrations. This (V2 and V3) has quite a bit of that to offer. Only with the Asph lenses, this aberration is controlled (and hence the lessened "Leica look").
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    Ah, a point of much debate. I think spherical aberrations define the look of certain Leica lenses that are known for glow (Noctilux, 35 lux pre-asph), but not all. The rigid cron is far better controlled than these lenses, but still has a character that's unique and rich (probably due in some part to aberrations, for sure, but also due to coatings and elements/glass used during that era)
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    So I spent a weekend shooting New England fall foliage with the MM. Pretty eccentric, huh.

    MM + 18mm Super Elmarit.

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    More autumn colors (?!). MM + 35mm Lux fle - another inspiring lens on this camera.

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    Antique tractor pull at the Warren CT Fall Festival. I had the wrong lens on the camera - framing and focusing of the 135 are really hit or miss with the emphasis on miss. Lovely lens when it works but I think it will have to wait for the EVF.

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    Fall color without the color. MM + Dual Range Summicron.

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    More of the same - same kit.

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    Sheesh, Woody, those last 2 are amazing, particularly the top of the 2...you are making a strong argument for the Rigid/DR Cron to be a go-to lens on the MM.
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    +1 I can't quite place my finger on it, but that 1st image Woddy reminds me of many similar scenes I've seen in 1940 & 1959 B&W mainstream movies, as an opening shot of the landscape to set the scene for location in the countryside. If you shot that same image in color, I wouldn't have struck a chord. That and your image underneith it are lovely.

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    Stunning Woody, absolutely stunning.

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    Pike Place Market.

    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/4000s; ISO 320


    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/250s; ISO 320


    M-M; 75mm f/2.5; 1/4000s; ISO 320


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    MM + 35 lux fle:

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    I actually like this version the best. I hate to articulate why I like photos because the words don't actually fit what I feel. But this shows a this small pool of water almost artificially placed (or punched out) in another artificial plane of tiles. The surrounding chairs give more a sense this is an arena where folks come to view the activity in the pool. It also puts a greater emphasis on the strange orientation of the plane of the ground that seems to be tilting and falling away and when combined with the water, there is a sense of vertigo. And there are small details like the single person in the chair and the sandals next to the empty chair--presumably belonging to the swimmer. While the crops are very graphic, there is a greater mystery for me in the whole frame.

    But that is really not what I feel...
    Every time I wander through this thread I find myself drawn back to your photo Ashwin. It's mesmerising. I love the way the light plays differently off the tiles around the pool. Well done
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Let's get some images up here, guys!

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    I checked out Silver Effex and found this preset goes good with the bird-image (which I had posted before):

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    MM with 28 chron.

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    Monochrom + 35mm Lux

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Same combo

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    Back to the 28 lux. two frames stitched.

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    Of the bridge and On the Bridge (MM and Rigid cron...quickly has become a go to lens on the MM for me)...



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    Thanks, Ben and all! I am love-love-loving the Monochrom. So much to learn from that camera...
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    In honor of Woody, a few urban patterns...







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    Lovely images Ashwin, I miss Seattle, but live there still, vicariously, through yours and Matt's images.

    While I'll never own the MM, seeing these images spurs me on to perfecting my B&W PP with my NEX 7s and CV lenses. I'm extremely pleased with what I'm getting, although I'm sure the MM has the advantage.

    Ciao for now,

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    THanks so much, Simon! If you are ever down in this neck of the woods, we should meet up! It just got rainy and grey in Seattle....perfect MM weather
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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    It just got rainy and grey in Seattle....perfect MM weather
    Vancouver too!

    Cheers,

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    MM + 28mm Elmarit Asph. Another really good lens for the MM.


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    28mm again.

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    28mm elmarit - two frames stitched.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    MM + 28mm elmarit. The B+W 040 filter (yellow orange) gives an almost IR effect.


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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    i'm seeing a lot more contrast in these images (a good thing, imo) compared to Jono's first china shots. what has changed? is the post processing zeroing in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    i'm seeing a lot more contrast in these images (a good thing, imo) compared to Jono's first china shots. what has changed? is the post processing zeroing in?
    In my case yes on the post processing. It's taken a while to develop a feel for it . Most images need local adjustments (to bring low values in bounds, or add emphasis). Shooting at ISO 320 there is a lot of flexibility to bring up shadows.

    Also the 28mm elmarit asph is known for its contrast.

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    28mm again.

    Wow Woody, the Red Rooster Drive-In brings back lots of memories That and the Red Apple Rest.

    I love how looking at the shape of those two cars parked in front look similary sized and how their identical angled shaped sides match perfectly the angled shaped of the sides of the building and they are perfectly centered with regards to the building. Did you ask the owners of those cars to park them perfectly so you could get the shot? LOL! Great composition, especially if it was intentional....and that gentleman on the right walking towards the building adds to great effect.

    I assume all your post processing of these leatest posted images is sans Silver EFX? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    Sheesh, Woody, those last 2 are amazing, particularly the top of the 2...you are making a strong argument for the Rigid/DR Cron to be a go-to lens on the MM.
    Complete agreement. Beautiful image, with the strong atmosphere. Please stop, though, as it'll be hard to get my spouse's go-ahead on a camera that shoots only B&W

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    Zoomed out version of the swimmer...

    Oh, love this one, zoomed in and out. This camera can really works magic--in the right hands!
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    Oh, my friends, I must be strong ... And stay away frm this stream. It's not film. Of course not, but it's the best digital b&w that I've ever seen ...

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    Big love on this one ...great work, Ashwin!
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    Some really nice pictures hiere. @Ashwin the pool is super cool.

    Here are some from Istanbul.











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    Wow Woody, the Red Rooster Drive-In brings back lots of memories That and the Red Apple Rest.

    I love how looking at the shape of those two cars parked in front look similary sized and how their identical angled shaped sides match perfectly the angled shaped of the sides of the building and they are perfectly centered with regards to the building. Did you ask the owners of those cars to park them perfectly so you could get the shot? LOL! Great composition, especially if it was intentional....and that gentleman on the right walking towards the building adds to great effect.

    I assume all your post processing of these leatest posted images is sans Silver EFX? Thanks!

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    On processing I found that a couple of the film looks in Silver EFX Pro were quite good. I shot Tmax film with and without filters and compared it to Tmax processed MM and found the Silver EFX was in the ballpark - really not bad. (Tmax is what I had in the drawer - I actually prefer Ilford Delta 100.)

    So I experimented with Silver EFX Delta 100 settings and found that I could get something close to it in LR by using a curve with some toe and fairly exaggerated shoulder, and adding some grain (20% or so using the default settings). I increase the grain a bit as my ISO goes up. Ironically adding a little grain increases the appearance of accutance.

    I use the exposure slider to find the right mid tones. I avoid the shadows and whites sliders because they really kill the film look.

    Finally I use local adjustments to unblock shadows and save high values (which the aggressive shoulder on the curve tends to burn out). I've found that applying shadow adjustment in layers of +30 or so each works best.

    Note that the process is very similar to making a print in a wet darkroom.

    In the Red Rooster I used local adjustments on the parked cars and the white cone.

    In processing in general I use 50/.7/50 as import sharpening; 12 as my typical clarity setting (depends on the lens - 0 in the case of the 28mm elmarit!) and a slight warming bias on split toning. I use a very small amount of post crop vignetting (6 or less) as "edge darkening" - another wet darkroom technique. A lot of posters on this forum abuse this setting. I use the LR default lens corrections when shooting at base ISO and good light - they cause problems with marginal exposures. I use the perspective controls aggressively and shoot assuming that I'll do so - this is often the most time consuming aspect of post. The other adjustments are quite quick.

    Thats it on post for now. This is very much an evolutionary work in process - I learn something every day. The MM for me has been very much worth the investment of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    On processing I found that a couple of the film looks in Silver EFX Pro were quite good. I shot Tmax film with and without filters and compared it to Tmax processed MM and found the Silver EFX was in the ballpark - really not bad. (Tmax is what I had in the drawer - I actually prefer Ilford Delta 100.)

    So I experimented with Silver EFX Delta 100 settings and found that I could get something close to it in LR by using a curve with some toe and fairly exaggerated shoulder, and adding some grain (20% or so using the default settings). I increase the grain a bit as my ISO goes up. Ironically adding a little grain increases the appearance of accutance.

    I use the exposure slider to find the right mid tones. I avoid the shadows and whites sliders because they really kill the film look.

    Finally I use local adjustments to unblock shadows and save high values (which the aggressive shoulder on the curve tends to burn out). I've found that applying shadow adjustment in layers of +30 or so each works best.

    Note that the process is very similar to making a print in a wet darkroom.

    In the Red Rooster I used local adjustments on the parked cars and the white cone.

    In processing in general I use 50/.7/50 as import sharpening; 12 as my typical clarity setting (depends on the lens - 0 in the case of the 28mm elmarit!) and a slight warming bias on split toning. I use a very small amount of post crop vignetting (6 or less) as "edge darkening" - another wet darkroom technique. A lot of posters on this forum abuse this setting. I use the LR default lens corrections when shooting at base ISO and good light - they cause problems with marginal exposures. I use the perspective controls aggressively and shoot assuming that I'll do so - this is often the most time consuming aspect of post. The other adjustments are quite quick.

    Thats it on post for now. This is very much an evolutionary work in process - I learn something every day. The MM for me has been very much worth the investment of time.
    Woody, thanks for the very informative explanation on processing your B&W files from the MM. It's greatly appreciated! Clearly each camera require it's own workflow and the MM is no exception but in many respects, the more I have an opportunity to work with provided RAW files from it, I realize on on a number of levels, I have to often go back to thinking as I did when shooting with B&W film (especially with regards to darkroom printing).

    I also get the feeling (as you previously alluded to) that some lenses that were noted to be bordering on excessively high contrast with their use on the M8/M9, now seem to often have an advantage when used on the MM with regards to it's output. Nice work!

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    Petster, lovely images! # 2 and #3 are my favorites but there are many elements to the others that I am also drawn to.

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    MM + 90mm Emarit with yellow orange filter.

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    A few recents









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    Thanks, Petster, for the kind words on the pool shot!
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    Thanks Dave.

    Ashwin, really like the way you processed the images.

    Here is another one from Istanbul, Topkapi Palace. My favourite living room.



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    MM + 35mm FLE.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    MM + 18mm super elmar. This thing really is super. Character is similar to the 28mm elmar.

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    Woody,

    Where is this bridge? It looks very familiar to me but I can't place it.

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    This thread is... Insane. Well done, all!

    Woody, the autumnal shots are amazing.

    William Shatner. Ha! Pere Ubu... Blast from the past!

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