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    Quote Originally Posted by element-m View Post
    Tonight in Zurich at the opening of a new Leica Store in Zurich. It was announced in "Leica Rumors", so I thought I'd stop by :-)
    Is this a new Leica body?
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    "I just don't like images so much where people are shot from behind, or when they are sleeping and don't know they are photographed or even when they try to hide their face behind a newspaper. I think you can show social problems without "scratching" (don't know if its the right word) the dignity of the people in the image."

    in agreement here, and try for that as well; but this opens a huge debate from photo-journalism to paparazzi, Dorothea Lange, Diane Arbus, Weegee, Capa, Erwitt, Strand come to mind, etc.
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    I don't build my opinion and feeling based on the question if images hang in a well reputated museum or if they are posted in the internet.

    I like some of Daves images a lot but if I look at the last two I get the feeling that if I was the father of those kids I would not want to have those images spread. I also did not criticize him posting them, I just expressed what I felt when looking at them. If you feel different its your good right, you don't need to be afraid about my feelings by the way.

    Its not the fact that I would prefer looking at "sunshine and roses", I just don't like images so much where people are shot" from behind, or when they are sleeping and don't know they are photographed or even when they try to hide their face behind a newspaper. I think you can show social problems without "scratching" (don't know if its the right word) the dignity of the people in the image. That's all.

    If those were your kids, would you want the images spread over the internet? (I am only talking about the last two, specially the one where the kid hides the face with the newspaper.
    At first: I concede we're debating a serious concern. For me there's one major criterium regarding the matter in question: Are the personal rights of the portrayed subject preserved or are the offended in any respect? And I don't perceive any evidence for the latter, and particularly no indication, that Dave in those two pictures is misusing the visualised situation for his own ends. Indeed, quite on the contrary, his whole work is a striking proof, that he particularly is going to bat for the portrayed people, especially the children. So for my part, I don't share the posted objections at all.

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    in agreement here, and try for that as well; but this opens a huge debate from photo-journalism to paparazzi, Dorothea Lange, Diane Arbus, Weegee, Capa, Erwitt, Strand come to mind, etc.
    Agreed. And not only regarding photo-journalism, but also e.g. the artworks of William Eggleston and other contemporary artists ...
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    "Indeed, quite on the contrary, his whole work is a striking proof, that he particularly is going to bat for the portrayed people, particularly the children. "
    I have no doubts that this is his intention and again, I really like most of his other images in the thread and think they work well.

    It doesnt change my personal feeling about that one image, but thats me and I dont say my feeling has to be the "correct" feeling.

    regarding debating of several famous photographers...I am not interested to start a generale debate what is ok and what is not ok in regards of personal rights, dignity etc. of the subject. We could probably debate this for months and years.

    All I meant was to say: I like some images from the series very much and 2 not so much for a certain reason. Thats all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post

    (...)
    It doesnt change my personal feeling about that one image, but thats me and I dont say my feeling has to be the "correct" feeling.

    (...)
    We can agree on that without any problems from my side.

    But I also want to point out, that my concerns relate to each and any attempts to undermine the freedom of expression, the freedom of the sciences and the arts.
    Best regards - Hermann
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    We can agree on that without any problems from my side.

    But I also want to point out, that my concerns relate to each and any attempts to undermine the freedom of expression, the freedom of the sciences and the arts.

    I totally agree and still think there is a good reason why human dignity is subject of Art. 1 Abs. 1 of our "Grundgesetz".

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    I think it's really an interesting discussion to have around those two photos. Before I moved to the Philippines, I might've reacted with the same concern. However, after you start walking through the barrios on a daily basis you end up seeing plenty of young kids not wearing underpants because 1) it's warm 2) it's more economically practical to have kids run around with no pants on until they are toilet trained and 3) there is no outright shame or stigma in seeing naked children. They are simply seen as children. Fortunately, there is a true lack of Western sexualization of children for adult gratification within the culture. As such, what Dave has showed is simply a typical scene that you might see in many of the neighborhoods of the Philippines. Photographs that end up being thought-provoking are usually the ones that have us ask as many questions of ourselves as the subjects we are viewing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KurtKamka View Post
    I think it's really an interesting discussion to have around those two photos. Before I moved to the Philippines, I might've reacted with the same concern. However, after you start walking through the barrios on a daily basis you end up seeing plenty of young kids not wearing underpants because 1) it's warm 2) it's more economically practical to have kids run around with no pants on until they are toilet trained and 3) there is no outright shame or stigma in seeing naked children. They are simply seen as children. Fortunately, there is a true lack of Western sexualization of children for adult gratification within the culture. As such, what Dave has showed is simply a typical scene that you might see in many of the neighborhoods of the Philippines. Photographs that end up being thought-provoking are usually the ones that have us ask as many questions of ourselves as the subjects we are viewing.
    Hi Kurt,
    for me its not so much he is naked (I believe in Europe we are a bit more relaxed regarding this than in some other countries) but more it seems he hides between the newspaper because he doesnt want to be photographed. I could be wrong.
    But I also would like to mention that I did not want to say at all that I believe the photo is too much, just described my initial feeling.
    To the OP of the photos: I find most of the photos great and I am also thankful you posted them.
    Sorry for the off topic discussion.
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    I've spent time in PI and Dave's photographs not only are documents of the life there which is important but also he captures the spirit of these amazing people and culture. They take me back. The photographs are glimpses into life there. Why not show it honestly? I get a feeling from Dave's images much the way I get when looking at the photographs from the FSA (Walker Evans, Dorothea Lange, Roy Sticker, etc) in that they are showing us in some cases what many don't want to look at. The photographs are mirrors to life and if you don't like the good, the bad and yes sometimes the ugly then don't look in the mirror. I find it refreshing someone chooses to turn the lens on other things besides sunsets and puppies. Keep up the great work Dave and remember if your an artist in you are not opening someones eyes to something and maybe upsetting a few you are probably not doing your job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airfrogusmc View Post
    I've spent time in PI and Dave's photographs not only are documents of the life there which is important but also he captures the spirit of these amazing people and culture. They take me back. The photographs are glimpses into life there. Why not show it honestly? I get a feeling from Dave's images much the way I get when looking at the photographs from the FSA (Walker Evans, Dorothea Lange, Roy Sticker, etc) in that they are showing us in some cases what many don't want to look at. The photographs are mirrors to life and if you don't like the good, the bad and yes sometimes the ugly then don't look in the mirror.....
    was there anything "ugly" in the images? I cant see anything ugly.

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    Back to posting images here. I experimented with the Sony Alpha 7 and 7R at the Yosemite workshop. Always with Leica glass. Converted to BW. I hope no one minds if I post them here. 24 lux on A7:

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    same spot and time with 135 - four frames stitched:

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    Back to the MM (more from the workshop later). MM + luxocron. Ten frames stitched.

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    Hotel Pickwick, that's about two miles from my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    was there anything "ugly" in the images? I cant see anything ugly.
    Just a phrase that I used. Inset any reason that you wish instead.
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    More from workshop.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Ditto

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Even more.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Another.

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    Back to posting images here. *I experimented with the Sony Alpha 7 and 7R at the Yosemite workshop. *Always with Leica glass. *Converted to BW. *I hope no one minds if I post them here. *24 lux on A7:






    Hi Woody, what's your opinion on the A7+Leica lenses vs the M240?

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    75 cron
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    urchin prep, 75 cron
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    Here are my best six images from the Leica workshop this weekend. The first three are based on the theme "Diffuse", the second three "Portrait"

    Leica M Monochrom with 1937 Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, Wide Open, no filter in available darkness.

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    Leica M Monochrom with 1937 Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, Wide-open, orange and 8X ND filters, ISO 320.

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    Leica M Monochrom with 1937 Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, Wide Open, orange and 8X ND filters, ISO 320.

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    Leica M Monochom, 24mm Elmar-M ASPH, f/8, Orange Filter, ISO 320

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    Leica M Monochrom with 1937 Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, f/8, orange and 8X ND filters, ISO 320.

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    Leica M Monochom, 24mm Elmar-M ASPH, Wide-Open, Orange Filter, ISO 320

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Campbell View Post
    More from workshop.

    Woody,

    This is exquisite ... lovely rendering and post process.

    I spent 18 years in Fresno...multiple yearly trips into Y....

    This makes me very nostalgic - wishin I was there.

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    Two more, "self portraits" from the workshop.

    M Monochrom with 1937 Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar, orange filter, f/8

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    M Monochrom with Leica 35mm f/2.5 Summarit-M and yellow filter, wide-open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiafish View Post
    Here are my best six images from the Leica workshop this weekend.
    Very nice set.Bravo.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Reworking a few files....


    Leica Monochrom






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    Another....



    Leica Monochrom






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    French Quarter, New Orleans.

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    Monochrom + Summaron 35mm f2.8; Art Department, Humanities Building, UW Madison.

    [exif lens info is wrong because I forgot to switch from 50 to 35]


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    Shot this one in Vegas using the WATE (Wide-Angle Tri-Elmar) at the 16mm setting

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    From New York using the 28mm Summicron

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    Another one from New York using the 28mm Summicron

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    Vegas again, but this time with the 24mm Summilux

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    MM + 75mm cron. six frames stitched.

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    Dogs


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    21mm Lux

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    MM with Summilux 50mm at ISO 1250 and 6400



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    Another toned picture with the Monochrom....



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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    It's been a long time since I have posted, but the MM remains a very close and constant companion. Here are a few, taken with the 35 lux asph and 75 lux:











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    Again, just like your A7 posted imagers...nice! Need anyone to carry around your shoulder bag and camera/lenses? I come cheap...only need a quick R/T ticket and place to stay. Oh tickets for the big game would be nice too!

    Looking forward to more postings from you. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    It's been a long time since I have posted, but the MM remains a very close and constant companion. Here are a few, taken with the 35 lux asph and 75 lux:











    Very nice Ashwin....

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    Thanks, guys!
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    Thanks, guys!
    Ashwin, congratulations and happy to see that you made the trip to the game.

    Be looking for you on the sidelines with the monochrome hanging off your shoulder!

    Have a blast and write up your experience!

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    Great shots Ashwin.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica M Monochrom

    Here are more from my recent workshop. These are my "semi-finalists" which didn't make the final edit to my best six. All taken with the M Monochrom. This first set were with the Leica 24mm f/3.8 Elmar. 50mm shots to follow in a separate post.


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    L1002581.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


    L1002599.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


    L1001986.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


    L1001981.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


    L1002033.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


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    And more, these with the 1937 Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f/1.5 Sonnar.


    L1002477.jpg by Lawman1967, on Flickr


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    "A fella, A quick fella, might have a weapon under there. I'd have to pin his head to the panel." The Gyro Captain
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