It seems that this scammer had the lens on hand with that special note for identification laid alongside as shown in your photo. But that does not truly mean anything more than just that. For one, the lens may not belong to him/her. And the same lens and identification note would be used all over again to perpetrate the same scam.
I had a bad experience a few years back from a seller in Indonesia selling a Patek. Lost US$3K but learnt a lesson for life.
@ Monza--Do you know that could go wrong about this example?
Let's say there is a transaction where seller and buyer agree on a price for an item and the seller issues an invoice to the buyer. Now let's say the buyer lives overseas and requests seller ship this invoiced item to him in the US while buyer on a business trip to the US.
Buyer pays the invoice and seller ships agreed upon item. Do you foresee any issues in this case assuming seller ships correct item and insures it fully for the agreed upon value between buy/seller?
I'll mention what I've learned, but of course will let others provide a more definitive answer. In your example given, (above), assuming invoice and payment is via paypal...from my understanding, you are only protected if you ship to the paypal address the buyer has on file with paypal and is shown when their paypal payment is sent and then received by you. If they want item shipped to some other address, they must get in contact with paypal and have this different shipping address listed on their paypal acc't too. Otherwise shipping to an address not listed along with their paypal payment, is not authorized nor protects you as the seller. This is aside from what I also described "below"
All I just stated is seperate from the requirement that the buyer and any of their official shipping address must also be listed as showing "seller" protection. If unsure, simply call Paypal and describe all facets of the pending transaction and let them guide you as to the requirements of a given tranasaction and if you are covered. Of course "signature" required on parcel I believe is also a requirement for seller protection.
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Dave-Thanks. If I have a deal go through, then I will have the buyer add an alternate shipping address into his Paypal account. Yes, I would only send with Adult Signature required.
Or maybe this was all a convoluted ploy to scam a poor woman for her heavily used vice!
But really... glad you got out of that one. Funny that the scammer spent the money to ship a vice too... it's not like you'd see the package until it arrived, so why ship something that weighs so much and costs so much to ship?!
Sorry, I didn't get notifications so didn't see these posts.
Regarding the 'box of rocks' scenario, I have never had that happen to me. However, I am aware of a similar situation (the buyer did not send back rocks, actually returned a different camera than the one purchased in the auction) and the seller was ultimately protected. It did take some effort on his part, calling ebay, etc.
Regarding a paypal invoice to an overseas buyer with a request to ship to a US address, Dave is correct, the buyer will need to first add this address to his paypal account, and send funds so that address is attached to the purchase. The paypal transaction page will notate whether it is a confirmed address, and whether the seller protection policy applies,
Here is the protection policy
This is really a bit of simplification. The rules are skewed to the buyer but there are many ways that sellers can protect themselves to reduce or eliminate risk. After thousands of such transactions, and tens of thousands more from resellers I personally know, over many years, this risk is minuscule, otherwise sellers would have abandoned ebay as a selling venue long ago.
In 18 months you have given your opinion based on your experience. I respect that.
I have lived more than 18 years in other cultures. And all my remaining life in my own country. I travel extensively..and counting. So I do appreciate other cultures and know about the most common ones.
My opinion is based on my experience. Please respect that.
My country is the host to largest number of guest workers from all nationalities,
bar one or two. The largest number of expat workers in any country in the world. The phillipine guests play a vital role in our development. And also the remittances they send home tops all so called economic aid given by certain countries.
The Phillipine people have worked reporting to me and for me. Not for 18 months but years. I have visited their country numerous times. I know them personally and professionally.
I gave my opinion based on interaction with Western expats and Eastern expats.
I stand by my opinion. And please do not consider it directed at anyone in particular..but a general statement based on my considerable experience.
Any transaction with a third party requires a degree of trust.
The rules of the road are generally to avoid those that are unknown to you, those that insist on unusual forms of payment, and those that that have no history with the community.
Scammers come from anywhere. Transactions outside of your legal reach are the most difficult to deal with.
So, folks, please be careful.
Since the discussion has gone a bit off topic and a bit general, I am closing this thread.
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