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I would totally agree. In fact, I still say that about the M8. Keep in mind that some might have to sell the _old_camera_ to afford the _new_camera_. Others? Yeah... Constant gear churn. Often followed by the ol' battle cry, "switched to the [dark|other] side!"I don't get the folks selling cameras they like because a new camera is released--it is just a product announcement, not a royal command. The M9 that took great photo before the new M will continue to take the exact same great photos after the new M. Do you guys buy a new car every year?
Everyone has different needs (I'm not a pro by any means photography related) but I have no intention of sell my M9P. I'm simply adding the M240 as an additional body that may possibly become the main body. I also plan to add an MM eventually.I don't get the folks selling cameras they like because a new camera is released--it is just a product announcement, not a royal command. The M9 that took great photo before the new M will continue to take the exact same great photos after the new M. Do you guys buy a new car every year?
I like my M (well, actually Leica's M). It is what it is, I expect no more, no less. I don't need to read menus (at all) to operate it - and I'm generally very happy with the results. It's high ISO is hardly Canon or Nikon standard, but 3200 is pretty reliable and 6400 is often fine. And anyway, I have fast lenses.Meh. I like my M9. It is what it is, I expect no more, no less. I don't need to read menus (much) to operate it - and I'm generally very happy with the results. Okay, so it doesn't do "high ISO" so well. That's why I have fast lenses.
Jono, you don't sound glib at all to me. You sound excited to be testing the new M, as I know I certainly would be myself testing an improved prototype of the next model. And I do want to both acknowledge and thank you for posting your own findings to date, though admittedly with some trepidation. While your posts make for interesting reading, I hope everyone understands the camera you are using is certainly not representative of what anyone should expect from the final product when it ships. Hence, my trepidation in your comments.I like my M (well, actually Leica's M). It is what it is, I expect no more, no less. I don't need to read menus (at all) to operate it - and I'm generally very happy with the results. It's high ISO is hardly Canon or Nikon standard, but 3200 is pretty reliable and 6400 is often fine. And anyway, I have fast lenses.
Sorry to take your message in vain! It's a good message about familiarity and confidence. Sure there might be things lurking in the background, and like the M9 there are certainly things one would change.
Guy is right to be cautious, and there are questions about the brave new sensor (especially if you push a properly exposed image by 3 or 4 stops).
I realise I'm sounding glib, but three months in, and not one shot spoiled by the camera, and confidence begins to set in.
+1! I most certainly agree with this. It's fine to be optimistic and even excitied about the potential for a new product, even early sample DNG's being released.... but there is absolutely no substitute to having one in your hands and put it through it's paces in an enviorment and the shooting conditions that represent you own needs. Carefully examining "these files" will go a long way to your knowing" if a new sensor and image developments are an advanatge. This is aside from the ergonoimics and addtional advanced features incorporated into the new camera.I agree with Guy Mancuso's advice above. This major a change in the sensor design is a big deal. A "Wait and See" attitude is the best course of action for both professionals and serious enthusiasts especially given the "Colorful" history Leica has in releasing new digital products. Paying to be a Leica beta tester is not a comfortable position. Folks that buy an M as a status symbol should rightly take those first lumps, not those of us who are serious about our photography! :thumbs:
Hi Chuck - I'm going to take issue with you here - The X-pro files are a completely separate and different animal (as were the DNG files from the MM). Those from the M are not - there is a Bayer filter and the demosaicing is standard.RAW processing software makers also need to incorporate specific changes to work the files. This too requires time after a release candidate stage is reached. While the new M files may be readable with Adobe's present RAW converter as generic M DNG files, I can guarantee you will not see the real quality until much later once Adobe releases specific support for the new camera model. Just look at the Fuji X-Pro files as a great example, if you doubt my words. :
Well, a lot of lessons have been learned - and there are resources to do it better these days. The launch of the M9 was actually pretty smooth - the IQ was good, and hardware issues were sorted fast - the MM was even better.I agree with Guy Mancuso's advice above. This major a change in the sensor design is a big deal. A "Wait and See" attitude is the best course of action for both professionals and serious enthusiasts especially given the "Colorful" history Leica has in releasing new digital products. Paying to be a Leica beta tester is not a comfortable position. Folks that buy an M as a status symbol should rightly take those first lumps, not those of us who are serious about our photography! :thumbs:
Well, two possibilities - if my images are okay, then it's practice . . . if they aren't, then it's lowering your standards (because I'm satisfied . . . within reason).However not one of the comments I have read address this issue of MORE KEEPERS.