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If I go this route, I'll go for the Leica deal. A new M-P with warranty at $3750 is worth it; add cost of case and spare battery, subtract sale of current M9 case and spare batteries, and I suspect it's $4000 out of pocket regardless. It's a good deal.
The decision is whether I want to spend the money for it. That's the aesthetic decision. I think I'll stop up to the camera shop tomorrow and play with the M typ 240 again...
What's the point of making such a statement if you won't articulate what you're saying when someone doesn't see what you do? Just to be snarky? I asked you to point out the banding you're seeing in good faith because I don't see it. Is there something about that disturbing to you?
I nipped a copy of the JPEG and tweaked a curves adjustment layer over it in Photoshop. I can see noise and other artifacts when I push it far enough, sure, but I could do the same with any JPEG presented on line. But what do you see given the photograph as shown here in the thread?
Hold your horses there! May be your monitor can not reveal it. So, there is no point in pointing out where the banding is.
Okay ... made my decision.
I stopped in at the camera shop and spent an hour and some with an M typ 240 and the three lenses that are the bulk of what I've been using on the M9—Summilux 35/1.4 v2, Nokton 50/1.5 (LTM), and Ultron 28/2. I set the 240 to JPEG+raw.
For each lens, I set the lens code to OFF and made twenty exposures are varying apertures, then set the lens code to the one I've been using on the M9 and made another 20 exposures. Then I made exposures to test all ISO settings with the Nokton 50. I turned on Live View and experimented with the focusing.
- The M 240 shutter and overall responsiveness is FAR better than the M9. Feels right, doesn't feel laggy or get blocked up with multiple single shots.
- The new viewfinder frame line illuminator is clean, crisp, and clear. Somehow, the view through viewfinder feels less cluttered. The rangefinder seemed about as crisp to align as with the M9, but overall the viewfinder experience is better.
- Now at home, I've imported all the exposures into Lightroom 5.7.1. Auto white balance in the JPEGs and raws is improved over the M9 in all the various shots, it's right on the money in most cases.
- All the shots where I was critically careful to set the focus and used ISO 1600 (high enough shutter speed) are bang on the money sharp, crisp, clean and noiseless. There is no banding apparent in any of the photos I made, even to the highest ISO setting.
- There's neither degradation nor loss in the rendering character of the 'Lux 35 v2 or Nokton 50. (They're no better than I see on film or on the M9, and no worse either.) Didn't really look hard for the Ultron, but it seems to be a less prone to color shifting.
- None of these three lenses, even with lens code set to OFF, show any color shifting. (The 28 and 35 show a very small amount with the M9.)
To me, this is a no-brainer. The M typ 240 is simply a better Leica M than the M9. As one ought to expect from an updated model ...
I've called Leica USA and confirmed that I'll take a black M-P on the exchange program. I'm mailing the check for it this afternoon ... They'll likely hold the check for two weeks or so, but eh? I don't use credit cards, and I'm not in a rush.
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Don't know what I'm going to do, Godfrey, but I really appreciate you sharing the process you've gone.are going through.
(I'm gutless, still haven't sent my M9 in)
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As I said, for me it came down to the aesthetic decision of whether or not I felt the camera was worth spending the additional money for. After spending some time evaluating the M typ 240, I know I will like it more, and use it more, than I did the M9. That's worth it.
The improved responsiveness is the biggest difference to me: the type 240 just feels, sounds right, works quickly, where the M9 simply always felt and sounded sluggish.
Now on to other things while I wait for the M-P to arrive. :-)
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I am sure you will like the new camera.
Indeed. All the more reason to go with a new M-P at discount!
I'm looking forward to its arrival. :-)
Godfrey good luck with your decision about putting out $3750.00 plus some accesserory monies to upgrade the camera.
I have enjoyed my M9 for the past four and one-half years. I do not make make an income from photography and do hope that I will see another four and one-half years of use, at a minimum, from the M9.
I still enjoy using my Pentax K5IIs and film cameras as well.
As I move closer to retirement and the choices for where I want to allocate available discretionary spending moves to the forefront, the quality and the enjoyment I have with the M9 has made it an easier decision for me.
In the November/December time frame I thought about it, I considered it a luxury decision. Then a couple of recent forays into the health care system, including a CABG x 3, has slowed my replacement timeframe decision down.
Choices are good and priorities change and as always,"Life is Grand!"
Sea kayaker - the best camera is the one you have with you.
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The early Nikon horizontal shutters were based on a Leica design.The Copal Square shutter of that time was the basis of many cameras, offering a higher flash sync speed and low cost with good quality. The horizontal running shutters in Nikon RF and F series cameras up to the F3 was a Nikon design, I think.
OTOH many of the German camera companies that did not have their own shutter designs no longer exist because the shutter makers they depended on didn't modernize. The mechanical Copal Square shutter in the Nikkormat was a marvel of simplicity and efficiency but it sacrificed longevity and adjustability.It makes sense for camera companies to go with a specialist vendor for the design and manufacture of the shutter.
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My update - my M9 didn't have the corrosion and was returned clean and ready to go from Leica Service USA. I took it out and shot it at an event last weekend, and remembered why I love the camera.
Back from Service
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Not fast, but I'm not in a hurry.
update: I was doing my accounting this morning. Between yesterday and today, the check for the M-P cleared the bank. Now I'll see how quickly Leica USA ships the M-P... :-)
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Just got the word: the M-P has shipped from New Jersey. UPS tells me expected delivery is Friday ... Yay! :-)
Leica service continues to disappoint. Called them to inquire about my M9 repair which was sent in to have the sensor replaced,. I had received a letter from Leica stating the work should be completed by the February 27th.
The response I received was that they did not have any sensors in stock and did not have an estimate of when they would arrive from Germany. I asked where I stood on the list when sensors did arrive, he could not provide an answer but remarked I should be close to the top of the list.
I love the rangefinder experience but my experience with Leica certainly leaves me with an empty feeling. A phone call from them when they knew that they could not meet their estimated date of repair would go a long way in keeping a customer satisfied versus ignoring the customer.
Perhaps it is just a strategy to have me go for the trade-in deal?
..... it just might work?
Life's to short to get upset about it.
Dan, of course I don't really know, but in your shoes I wouldn't read too much into the delay. From time to time, Leica NJ has sensor supply shortages, and more likely to happen under current conditions. Good luck with the repairs.
I've spoken with Roxanne, Jim, and Mark at Leica USA. Roxanne is generally the most helpful. When I called to ask about the M9 repair estimate and when I could expect to see it (about the end of January/beginning of Feb), she told me that it was going to take until early March to get it done because they were waiting on a shipment of sensors. I had to ask her about the upgrade, which she then quoted a price for. I called back two days later and placed the order.
The M-P arrived Friday, 27 FEB, mostly because I mailed them a check and it took their accounting department two and a half weeks to process it.
So, I wasn't expecting them to be fast but they did well enough.
BTW, I'm loving the M-P. Very glad I sprung for it.
Godfrey, thank you for documenting the process and your experience with trading in your M9 for the MP 240. Additional thanks for posting the images.
I called Leica customer service today in New Jersey and spoke with Jim and ordered a Silver MP.
After sending my M9 in twice for sensor issues, the first time the camera was out of my hands for 10 weeks in 2013 and now a couple of months with no return date established, I decided to go ahead and take advantage of the trade in offer. Jim indicated that I should have the MP in my hands by the end of the week.
..... the journey continues.
Good stuff. I hope you enjoy the M-P as much as I do. :-)
Sorry to rub it in, but my M6 has none of these problems. :-)