started this thread to hear some thoughts on our latest offerings of systems out there, the thread is a good basis for many platforms now being offered by all of the existing camera manufacturers. It doesn't have to be Leica 007 vs Canon 5drs it could also include any current, past or future system but should be one that has been announced and that will be available for purchase shortly.
Minus the cost of either system and the advertizing hype it boils down to practical work flow and practical image quality. Granted each photographer uses a system for many different uses and no system is broad enough to cover all of the imaginative uses for any given photographer. Also the systems yet to be released in the next 5 years may or may not render any of the current crop inferior as to their image making ability.
I find the complexity of menus in a camera not used on a daily basis to be a deal killer in real life situation ex. OLY when you need to make the tool work for you. I like the fact or the feeling one gets picking up a camera to ones eye and being able to shoot and not think about the tool your shooting with but instead the image you trying to make. For example my big complaint I have with my M240 is I always shoot the person to high in the frame I have to constantly remind myself to lower the top of the camera frame (or raise the lens higher) to more center the person...seems I'm always pointed slightly down.
The AF system of the 007 seems promising especially with the front, back and focus DOF readings on the cameras screen. I like the fact you can use the camera in Spot-AF with real time focusing. The Canon has Cross-type AF points claiming greater autofocus precision and better focus tracking (its always been great). Whether either will prove out in real use other than marketing Hype is yet to be realized.
HIGH-ISO at high ISO and shooting in light other that bright daylight or studio lighting and I'm not referring to the extremes of either end. The high MPix of these cameras demand fast shutter speeds the standard (250mm = 1/250 second, 90mm = 1/90 second) old rules might not apply here they might have to be doubled to reduce vibrations hand held. (This would have been an opportunist time for either manufacturer to introduce 5 axis sensor vibration. I wouldn't worry about 6400 ISO and shooting a indoor scene I'm more talking about the range of ISO 1600-3200 and the cameras ability to focus in that light and my ability to see through the viewfinder what exactly the hell I'm doing!
I wonder which camera in your hands or mine is better balanced with your ability to hand hold and get a better hit rate based on ones ability to gain better vision through the view finder, the actuation of the shutter and or combination of back button pre focus and the fine tuning with manual focus. Also checking the focus area of importance and seeing the real raw histogram of that area before making a series of 100 images is a big plus in my work.
Files straight out of the camera and imported into your favorite processing program showing how little or maybe not even any work ones needs to make to the RAW files would be another issue to contemplate. Getting accurate color and being able open shadows or back down highlights or for lack of better words who's file has just a more mailable tolerance and for what images.
In the field shooting wide angle landscapes on a tripod the sensor and the micro lenses of either should produce very different results just as using either system with an 85mm shooting portraits hand held will for different reasons. These and other situations are thoughts in my mind as to Leica discussions make public as to why they stayed with the MPx sensor at 37mp and didn't go to the 50 mark maybe eliminating some serious risks that would unveil themselves using the high MP sensor, using lenses with limiting auto focus motors, lower F stop diffraction, speed, blur, weight and size, coatings, scales, and available filters.
As we discussed baring the costs of the two systems because in a real working world job after job it doesn't matter what does matter is the time you've spent on the workflow and the finished results.
If you had your choice of one or two systems to use on a daily basis to fill you needs what would you choose and why?
Would this next system of acquisition have longevity and if so how long would you expect it to have. Will any of these newer systems really give you "increased quality and higher speed"?
Would you buy into the Leica, Canon, Nikon or other new systems because its scary how much more storage and work one will need to do the same job as before with a 20MPx sensor or will you being doing less work because of a particular feature(s) your next tool offers?
I have a million other questions but I'm out of time now.