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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Mine was made in 2002, and still new in the box. Despite my general belief that R lens prices can be bargained down about 30%, this guy knew what he had, and there wasn't time for psychological warfare.

    The SL is a great platform for working with UWAs, like this one, the M's 18 SEM, and the R-19 (which I believe Godfrey is using). These lenses really reorganize space for you. Thinking back to work Friedlander has done with his SWC, I realize that he gets so far into the middle of things that different planes in space end up interacting through transparency. One of my pictures with the 15 in a conference center in Montreal has that flavor. Anyway, there are lots of things to try.

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    Until the SL appeared I was pretty ignorant of the more modern R lenses. Your 15 looks flat out incredible. I also see the last 50/1.4 is meant to be really something, and costs considerably more than a 50 Lux ASPH today on the used market.

    I use the M9 and my widest is the ZM18 at the moment, which is really a super lens, but I do lust for one a bit wider. The CV 15s v1 and v2 have really dropped in price with the introduction of the new v3, but both seem to need considerable correction for colorshift.

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    Until the SL appeared I was pretty ignorant of the more modern R lenses. Your 15 looks flat out incredible. I also see the last 50/1.4 is meant to be really something, and costs considerably more than a 50 Lux ASPH today on the used market.

    I use the M9 and my widest is the ZM18 at the moment, which is really a super lens, but I do lust for one a bit wider. The CV 15s v1 and v2 have really dropped in price with the introduction of the new v3, but both seem to need considerable correction for colorshift.
    The ZM 18mm is s terrific performing lens and in many ways I cound it superior to the excellent Leica 18mm of which I extensively compared it to in hrad to head shooting. The ZM had far less distortion and was neck and neck with regards to tesolution right into the corners with the Leica. The issue with versions I and II of the CV 15mm was a somewhat precipitous dropoff of sharpness away from the center of the frame. I haven't yet shot with Ver. III. We both shoot with similar systems.

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    Re: Messing around on my desktop

    with the APO-Asph Elmarit-R 100.

    L1000543 2 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    The substrate is my Mac, but I've played around with its color a bit. ISO 200 f/16

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    From yesterday's walk with the Super-Elmar-M 15mm f/3.5:


    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 400 @ f/5.6 @ 1/25

    full resolution link:
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    For such a large and heavy lens, it has remarkably nice handling on the Leica SL body. Set to square crop, the coverage is very very similar to what the Hasselblad SWC produces. This is an early 3cam model, made about 1979-1980.

    enjoy!
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    A little fun with macro.

    I have been thinking of what it will take to capture Minox negatives with the Leica SL. Minox negatives are 8x11mm in size, so high magnification—beyond 1:1—is essential to get a nice, high pixel count. Also, because Minox film typically has a 1-3mm curvature when dry, you need enough DoF to capture clean, sharp images edge to edge.

    I have the Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm as well as 2x Extender-R and Macro Adapter R (basically, an aperture coupled extension tube). Normally, I wouldn't use them together because the couplings can cause inaccuracies on Leica R SLRs when you're using two adapters like this, but on the SL which ignores all the mechanical couplings, that's not a concern.

    So I fitted them all together, SL+Macro Adapter R+2x Extender-R+Macro-Elmarit-R 60, set the lens to maximum extension, and called upon the services of my friendly model:



    Focusing carefully, I then made three exposures

    @ f/2.8:



    @ f/5.6



    @ f/11



    To check DoF and resulting magnification, I added a ruler:



    Looking at the mm scale, this setup is going to result in about a 1.9:1 magnification ... I really want closer to 3:1.

    Hmm. I'll need more macro tubes...

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    As its been raining started playing around with some macro set-ups -- first two with 100mm Macro-Elmar R and bellows, second two with 60mm Macro-Elmarit ...


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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by johneaton View Post
    .... with 60mm Macro-Elmarit ...

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    This looks a bit like the Seattle skyline in a recent M Monochrome post

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Getting the measure of the Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5 in terms of rectilinear behavior:


    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 3200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/40

    Processed in LR 6.3
    Elmarit-R 19mm lens profile applied, with additional +2 distortion added.

    Full resolution:
    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5657/...f2f5db15_o.jpg

    The native image captured with lens code on and without lens corrections shows a bit of mustache distortion. LR doesn't have a lens profile for this lens at present, but the Elmarit-R 19mm profile cleans up most of it. I then added a +2 distortion correction which knocks out all but the smallest amount.

    enjoy!
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Getting the measure of the Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5 in terms of rectilinear behavior:

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    [I]Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 3200 @ f/5.6 @ 1/40

    The native image captured with lens code on and without lens corrections shows a bit of mustache distortion. LR doesn't have a lens profile for this lens at present, but the Elmarit-R 19mm profile cleans up most of it. I then added a +2 distortion correction which knocks out all but the smallest amount.

    enjoy!
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    A dng file can have detailed distortion corrections inserted in it. Leica does this for the SL 24-90 at its wide end, and for the Q's lens. Then you don't need to wait for Adobe and Phase One to develop these corrections. We need to gently request that Leica put this into the SL firmware for some of the legacy R lenses as well. I've submitted a bug report on the bad vignetting profiles, but haven't mentioned this aspect. My fancy 15 is said to have 2% distortion, and would also benefit. I think yours is specified as 3%. I'd have to look up the technical information document, but if the curve is just monotonic, it's pure barrel distortion. If it bellies out (largest distortion partway to the edge, decreasing as you reach the edge of the frame) that's moustache. Either way, it can now be fixed in the raw file development software, as directed by the dng metadata. And it's optional. I'd leave it out if I don't need it.

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    Re: More fun with 15mm superwides on the SL

    L1000586 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    and an alien instrument landing system

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    edit: click through to a larger size to see if you can find the three guys who are telling me I shouldn't be standing where I am standing, and I definitely can not take any pictures!
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    A dng file can have detailed distortion corrections inserted in it. Leica does this for the SL 24-90 at its wide end, and for the Q's lens. Then you don't need to wait for Adobe and Phase One to develop these corrections. We need to gently request that Leica put this into the SL firmware for some of the legacy R lenses as well. I've submitted a bug report on the bad vignetting profiles, but haven't mentioned this aspect. My fancy 15 is said to have 2% distortion, and would also benefit. I think yours is specified as 3%. I'd have to look up the technical information document, but if the curve is just monotonic, it's pure barrel distortion. If it bellies out (largest distortion partway to the edge, decreasing as you reach the edge of the frame) that's moustache. Either way, it can now be fixed in the raw file development software, as directed by the dng metadata. And it's optional. I'd leave it out if I don't need it.
    For sure: it would be great if Leica would populate all the R lens codes with detailed distortion corrections. I've got a bug report going to Leica on this one as well.

    Simple-spherical rectilinear distortion can be either positive ("barrel") or negative ("pincushion"). "Mustache" distortion is a complex rectilinear distortion in which a portion of the image field has barrel distortion and another part has pincushion distortion.

    In the case of the SER15/3.5, the central portion has a bit of barrel distortion and the outer reaches has a bit of pincushion distortion. This is the typical pattern with ultra-wide lenses. Highly exaggerated, it looks like this:



    It's hard to say whether Leica or Adobe will be quickly in providing such lens correction bits. I don't really care who does it. I can create a lens profile for the Adobe products myself, though, because Adobe offers an editor that makes it semi-easy. So if I am pushed to it I'll create a customized lens profile for the SER15/3.5 myself.

    Not to mention that, 99% of the time, the minute amount of distortion in either the Super-Elmar-R 15mm or Super-Elmarit-R 15mm is mostly invisible to the eye...

    What is most gratifying in testing these lenses on the SL, there is none of the kind of smeary/ugly rendering that other adaptations have produced. I couldn't get corner regions as clean and crisp as this with even a 24mm lens until the SL came along. All three of my ultra-wides (R series 15, 19, and 24 mm) are now much more useful and usable.

    G

    addendum:

    Oh yes, forgot to add this info.

    Adobe Lens Profile Creator v1.0.4

    User Guide: http://www.adobe.com/special/photosh..._userguide.pdf

    For Mac:
    https://www.adobe.com/support/downlo...jsp?ftpID=5489

    For Windows:
    https://www.adobe.com/support/downlo...atform=Windows
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Not only pictures of trees...


    Leica SL + Elmarit-R 24mm
    ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/50

    Full resolution:
    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5807/...e1f63649_o.jpg

    enjoy!
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    The rain stopped this afternoon and it was nice to get out for brisk walk, with fast-moving clouds at sunset .....
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    Re: Fun with the Summicron 80-R

    I was looking for some long-scale images with good shadows to try out a new lens. It so happens that I've blown out several tires lately and gotten to know these guys pretty well:

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    SL, SX 80 R, f/4-5.6, ISO 1600

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    Re: Fun with the Summicron 80-R

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    I was looking for some long-scale images with good shadows to try out a new lens. It so happens that I've blown out several tires lately and gotten to know these guys pretty well:

    ...
    SL, SX 90 R, f/4-5.6, ISO 1600
    Nice photos. What lens is that you were trying out?

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    So far I am quite impressed with the 24-90 Zoom.
    The same is the case for the color I get out of the SL without much post processing.
    Here is a snapshot from today with that combo:
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    Re: Fun with the Summicron 80-R

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Nice photos. What lens is that you were trying out?

    G
    Mandler-era Summilux 80-R. I mistyped the last line, but have fixed it now.

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    Re: Fun with the Summicron 80-R

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Mandler-era Summilux 80-R. I mistyped the last line, but have fixed it now.

    scott
    Yes Scott, you mistyped that pretty bad indeed ...
    But hey - isn't that R80 fantastic ?
    Got one myself recently, just in case one of these days I happen to buy an SL ...
    Till then, I'd like to see some more shots !

    TIA

    Kind regards.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    So far I am quite impressed with the 24-90 Zoom.
    The same is the case for the color I get out of the SL without much post processing.
    Here is a snapshot from today with that combo:
    Tom,

    How is the SL with zoom compared to the Leica T with zoom?

    Is the difference substantial?

    Thanks, Joris.

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    Re: Fun with the Summicron 80-R

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Mandler-era Summilux 80-R. I mistyped the last line, but have fixed it now.
    Not to be nitpicky, but: Can't we just use the lens names rather than everyone using their own personally made-up abbreviations?
    Summilux-R 80mm or 'Lux-R 80 are much more immediately understandable than "SX 80 R" and only take a moment to type.

    (I've been tempted to acquire the 'Lux-R 80 too, but I'm happy with the 'Cron-R 90. My lens kit is already excessive.. :-)

    thx,
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    Re: Fun with the Summicron 80-R

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post

    But hey - isn't that R80 fantastic ?
    Got one myself recently, just in case one of these days I happen to buy an SL ...
    Till then, I'd like to see some more shots !

    TIA

    Kind regards.
    I put four more from this afternoon's visit into a thread on the 80-100 mm R medium telephotos at the LUF:
    http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/...2#entry2954662 and earlier entries consider the APO-Summicron R 90 and the APO Elmarit-R 100. The thread was started with a question about M 90s, but that didn't stick.

    and there are also good examples in the "post your SL pictures" thread. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/...1#entry2954886

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by JorisV View Post
    Tom,

    How is the SL with zoom compared to the Leica T with zoom?

    Is the difference substantial?

    Thanks, Joris.
    Hi Joris
    The differences are:
    - shallower DOF of the Zoom of SL
    -more reliable AF (if light is low) with the SL
    - even larger viewfinder with the SL
    - I would say (just from my feeling) a little more DR with the SL

    However the SL with 24-90 is much much larger than the T and the T IQ is quite good as well.
    For me the Sl is not a replacement for the T.
    I will keep the T when I want a smaller camera (when riding the bike with the kids, on birthday parties, on business trips,....)
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by ryc View Post
    This looks to me like a poor adapter on the sony.

    I played with a 50 lux on my Sony and the results were far better than what you are showing with your lux which makes me think its a bad setup.
    HI There

    I used two different adapters - 1 a novoflex, and the other an Voigtlander VM-E(?). The difference is that your images are shot reasonably close up - no infinity shots. The problem is worse when the rear element is closest to the sensor (ie at infinity). Ron Scheffler pointed me in this direction originally.

    I agree that the 50 is fine for close to medium distances . . . although not all lenses are, and the results are rather unpredictable.

    Sony haven't made any attempt to correct for M lenses (and why on earth should they?!) so it isn't surprising that the SL does a better job.

    All the best

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    Re: A little campus weirdness with SL, 80 Summicron-R

    The gentleman whose statue is on the left appears to have been struck on the hip by a volley of freshly sharpened pencils. He is a founder of our university, Albert Einstein.

    L1000661 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    and here, what is meant to end up as a warren of offices for people researching the brain

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    currently looks like a Parthenon replica under construction.

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    Re: A little campus weirdness with SL, 80 Summicron-R

    Pssst Scott, before G starts nitpicking again - it's a Summilux ...
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    Re: A little campus weirdness with SL, 80 Summicron-R

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Pssst Scott, before G starts nitpicking again - it's a Summilux ...
    Oops, too late. I don't know a way to edit in the title line. If he had allowed me to just write SX80-R, I might have gotten it right...

    but you're correct.

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    Re: A little campus weirdness with SL, 80 Summicron-R

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Oops, too late. I don't know a way to edit in the title line. If he had allowed me to just write SX90-R, I might have gotten it right...

    but you're correct.
    LOL! We'll, I don't know what's more indecipherable...

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    It just seems odd to me that anyone would spend that much for a measly 24 megapixels.

    Of course its a pittance compared to what 80 megapixels cost me.

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    Re: Fun SL and 90 Summicron-R; Kitty POW

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    She's a predator-in-training. About 10-12 weeks old now.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Some snaps from dinner with the Summicron-R 80:

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    All shot at f/1.4, 1/160, and whatever ISO the camera wanted.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    I went for a quick walk around the neighborhood on this chilly holiday. My eyes were drawn to patterns and contrasts in the shapes and colors of things.


    All shot with the Leica SL fitted with Summicron-R 90mm f/2.

    enjoy!
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    SL and Canon 85 mm f/1.8 LTM (1950's-60's Jiro Mukai design)....great lens, and works marveloulsy for portraits on the SL:










    The Rigid 50 'cron works marvelously as well:

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    Re: Sculpture Garden with SL and 80, 15 lenses

    The whole album is here, but I'll post some examples with the Asph-Elmarit-R 15

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    L1000889 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    and some taken with the SX80R:

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    I carried the 24-90 zoom for the first time on the walk today. Only took a few pictures .. had someone walking with me and was chatting too much .. but once at the restaurant I took a quick group snap to txt to my partner, who's on the road driving to Tijuana:


    Leica SL + Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm f/2.8-4
    ISO 3200 @ f/8 @ 1/30 @ 24mm
    set for +1.5EV compensation
    JPEG direct out of camera

    I moved the JPEG out of the camera to my iPhone using the Leica SL app and just sent it as is.
    The ability to make a decent exposure like this with the miserable hotspot in the background .. @ ISO 3200 with + compensation too .. is impressive!

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    Leica SL + Vario-Elmarit-R 24-90mm f/2.8-4.0
    ISO 400 @ f/4 @ 1/160 @ 90mm

    enjoy,
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    Re: Kitty progress report

    This morning:

    L1000898 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    with the SL, APO-Elmarit-R 100 f/4
    and this one was taken 6 weeks ago:

    PB130580 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    with my OM-D E-M5.2 (auto focus!!)

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    Re: A little contrast

    L1000811 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    SL, SX80-R, probably f/5.6

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    Hmm. This thread needs more photos!

    I posted this elsewhere, but like it too much. This lovely old Stearman at the Palm Springs Air Museum is just waiting to be fired up:


    Leica SL + Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4
    ISO 64 @ f/1.4 @ 1/100

    enjoy!
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    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 3200 @ f/3.5 @ 1/30 second

    full rez:
    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5730/...e9d89de9_o.jpg

    enjoy,
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    Godfrey, that looks like a Stearman which is flown regularly. The instruments are modern and the needles all point the right way. I'm not familiar with the Palm Springs museum, but do they fly their older planes? With visitors in them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Godfrey, that looks like a Stearman which is flown regularly. The instruments are modern and the needles all point the right way. I'm not familiar with the Palm Springs museum, but do they fly their older planes? With visitors in them?
    It is flown regularly and they do book flights for visitors. :-)
    It's quite a nice museum!

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    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 800 @ f/5.6 @ 1/40

    enjoy!

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    Happy New Years to all of my GetDPI friends...






    A bright horizon lies ahead


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    Hi There
    Lots of great photos . . . . more to the point
    HAPPY NEW YEAR!
    Here are some from Covehithe with the 24-90


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    mackerel sky

    Just this guy you know
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    Mackerel Sky is wonderful, Jono! That could be used for a book or album cover. :-)

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    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 400 @ f/3.5 @ 1/125

    enjoy!
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    'Lost', a candid Street shot with the SL & 24-90. Yes it's bulky compared to my M240 but surreptitious shooting is still perfectly feasable. With an M lens it only weighs 250 gms more than an M240 with the same lens and has the benefit of simple effective focus magnification. Whilst it weighs more in the hand the 'carrying' weight in the bag is identical to my other set up, an M240 with 24mm Lux/50mm Lux/90mm F2.0. Overall I'm delighted with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post

    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 400 @ f/3.5 @ 1/125

    enjoy!
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    That looks like a different Mustang than the red tailed "Bunny" shown in the museum's website. (Judging from the 5-bladed prop and 12 exhaust stacks.) Or is it something else? Lovely plane. Wouldn't mind seeing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    That looks like a different Mustang than the red tailed "Bunny" shown in the museum's website. (Judging from the 5-bladed prop and 12 exhaust stacks.) Or is it something else? Lovely plane. Wouldn't mind seeing more.
    That's because it's a Spitfire, not a Mustang. :-)

    More to come, although I have to admit that I was having so much fun looking at things I forgot to take photos a lot of the time I was there. I could spend a week of afternoons to make photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    That's because it's a Spitfire, not a Mustang. :-)

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    Hmm, didn't know they came with bubble canopies. The movies I used to watch had solid stuff behind the pilot's head.

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