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    Hmm, didn't know they came with bubble canopies. The movies I used to watch had solid stuff behind the pilot's head.

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    There are several variations on the Spitfire canopy design. This is the "iconic Supermarine Spitfire fighter" ...



    (see 92-year-old Female WWII Vet Flies Again | EpicTimes)

    where this is a more classic MK26b model:



    (see Spitfire Mk26b | Light Aircraft DB & Sales)

    A P-51 Mustang has a fundamentally different fuselage/wing/tail shape, never mind the cockpit canopy:



    I'm by no means an expert on any of these airplanes. :-)

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    Hmm, didn't know they came with bubble canopies. The movies I used to watch had solid stuff behind the pilot's head.

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    The canopy was made of perspex, and slid backwards/forwards for entry and exit. Unhappily, it was also inflammable; when that happened it often would not open. The pilots got severe facial burns.
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    @godfrey Your picture makes the difference in the fuselage clear -- the Spitfire is more round, the Mustang quite slab-sided and deep, because of the oil cooler underneath. I guess the bump in the wing at the back of the cannons is also indicative. My T-6 owner friend got checked out in a Spitfire a year or two ago, and wrote it up for the AOPA magazine. But if you ask how much that cost, you'll never do it. Photography is such an economical hobby, compared to flying.

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    Re: Here's why so few pictures today

    L1010008 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    Summicron-R 80 @f/1.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    @godfrey Your picture makes the difference in the fuselage clear -- the Spitfire is more round, the Mustang quite slab-sided and deep, because of the oil cooler underneath. I guess the bump in the wing at the back of the cannons is also indicative. My T-6 owner friend got checked out in a Spitfire a year or two ago, and wrote it up for the AOPA magazine. But if you ask how much that cost, you'll never do it. Photography is such an economical hobby, compared to flying.
    Indeed.

    I did my walk this morning carrying the SL with Elmarit-R 19mm and Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm, with the camera set into square format mode. It made for a truly delightful shooting pair. A photo or two coming up soon...

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    Leica SL + Elmarit-R 19mm f/2.8 v1
    ISO 50 @ f/2.8 @ 1/160

    enjoy!

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    Final Christmas reminder ... SL+Macro-Elmarit 60mm, f5.6 focus-stacked

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    and a moody, phantom start to the new year -- SL+Zuiko 35-80mm @ 80, f5.6

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    Hate to see this thread go idle, so I'll post another effort to catch a now 14 weeks old kitten using SL, APO-90/2.0 and manual focus.

    L1010019 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    ISO 1250, 1/80, f/4 (EXIF has that wrong).

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    Indeed, more pix! :-)


    Leica SL + Summilux-R 50mm f/1.4
    ISO 1250 @ f/5.6 @ 1/100

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    Wild clouds and angry waves tonight .. SL+ Vario-Elmar 21-35mm @ 21

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    and, for comparison, one from the Monochrom slightly earlier ...

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    Re: More Winter light

    L1010036 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

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    apo-90/2.0 ISO 50, mostly at f/5.6

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    scott:

    my monitor shows your images as quite washed out; not sure if that is your intent or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    scott:

    my monitor shows your images as quite washed out; not sure if that is your intent or not?
    They're fab on my monitor ...
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    scott:

    my monitor shows your images as quite washed out; not sure if that is your intent or not?
    On a proof monitor they are washed out while they look OK on ipad screens.

    The 2nd image from #561, for example, the metal is painted a military green and is not white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
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    my monitor shows your images as quite washed out; not sure if that is your intent or not?
    It's certainly not my intent, but they don't show properly in Firefox. They are fine in Chrome or Safari. Is that the problem?

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Yup, just a browser issue. Incredible!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    they look fine on Safari; on firefox they are washed out!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    scott:

    my monitor shows your images as quite washed out; not sure if that is your intent or not?
    I thought it was just me, or perhaps, a rather unusual personal style.

    I normally use Firefox; tried on Chrome, as suggested above; there they look quite normal.

    Strange; I've not noticed this elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    Yup, just a browser issue. Incredible!
    It's a CaptureOne issue. I'll tell them about it. It happened once before. And at that time I was using Firefox so it was a problem. The jpegs that I had on my laptop looked fine but once I downloaded them to the web to a blog they were pale. It went away in the next release of COne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    I thought it was just me, or perhaps, a rather unusual personal style.
    I was preparing a set of pictures for big prints to be put up in our office building, and the girl who was assembling the exhibit fell in love with a few of the old washed out images. It seems it fitted perfectly with her personal style. But not mine. I tried to find some form that satisfied both of us, and gave that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    I thought it was just me, or perhaps, a rather unusual personal style.

    I normally use Firefox; tried on Chrome, as suggested above; there they look quite normal.

    Strange; I've not noticed this elsewhere.
    Scott's photos are posted as JPEGs but with Capture One's "GenericDngFile-Neutral" color calibration; they have that color profile attached. Safari and Chrome browsers are color-managed and honor the color calibration profile, thus presenting the images correctly. Firefox by default is NOT color-managed and is interpreting the colors as if the files were calibrated to sRGB, ignoring the profile.

    I believe there is some way to turn on color-management in Firefox, but I'm not a big Firefox user and don't know what it is.

    Regardless, the GenericDngFile-Neutral color calibration profile is an input device profile, not a display device profile, and is essentially a Lab colorspace transform on the DNG raw data. It's not intended to be used with 8-bit RGB data for distribution and presentation on the web.

    Scott should convert his photos from GenericDngFile-Neutral to sRGB (current standard is sRGB IEC61966-2.1, (c)1998 HP, this is the standard used by Adobe and nearly everyone else) before exporting them to be posted on-line. They they'll work beautifully in Firefox as well any other non-color-managed or color-managed web browser.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    I was preparing a set of pictures for big prints to be put up in our office building, and the girl who was assembling the exhibit fell in love with a few of the old washed out images. It seems it fitted perfectly with her personal style. But not mine. I tried to find some form that satisfied both of us, and gave that up.

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    The washed-out images do have a certain charm, and I could imagine that some people would be very appreciative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlm View Post
    scott:

    my monitor shows your images as quite washed out; not sure if that is your intent or not?
    You can go to your Firefox setting in about:config, set the value for "gfx.color_management.mode" to "0" (zero). It worked for me - it was "1" before and the color was washed out, now it's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotoism View Post
    You can go to your Firefox setting in about:config, set the value for "gfx.color_management.mode" to "0" (zero). It worked for me - it was "1" before and the color was washed out, now it's fine.
    It doesn't seem to work on my installed Firefox. The default setting on mine is "2" ... changing it to "1" or "0" has no effect. There's another setting, "gfx.color_management.enabledv", which defaults to "false". Setting it to "true" again did nothing useful, including in combination with changing the "...mode" setting.

    However, all this is just a workaround for the basic problem: Scott's JPEG files are not calibrated with the correct color profile for web distribution. You shouldn't expect a user to have to change Firefox default settings in order to obtain a good rendering. If the JPEGs are converted to sRGB, with or without an embedded calibration profile, they will render correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    ....
    However, all this is just a workaround for the basic problem: Scott's JPEG files are not calibrated with the correct color profile for web distribution. You shouldn't expect a user to have to change Firefox default settings in order to obtain a good rendering. If the JPEGs are converted to sRGB, with or without an embedded calibration profile, they will render correctly.

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    Agree.

    Browsers are funny, to put it lightly. I had to fiddle with Firefox to see proper colors on Scott's pictures, but they turn up okay in, of all things, Internet Explorer. Chrome doesn't work either, washed out in there too.
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    Sorry for the distraction, but Capture One just released an upgrade. Here's one of the last files regenerated with the new release. Could someone with a browser that sees the previous file wrong tell me if anything has changed?

    L1010040 2 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    thanks,

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    Edit: I replaced the second try with a third, using sRGB output -- previously my JPEGs were in Adobe RGB.
    Last edited by scott kirkpatrick; 6th January 2016 at 14:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotoism View Post
    Agree.

    Browsers are funny, to put it lightly. I had to fiddle with Firefox to see proper colors on Scott's pictures, but they turn up okay in, of all things, Internet Explorer. Chrome doesn't work either, washed out in there too.
    I'm using Chrome on Mac with Yosemite (not El Capitan) and they look fine. But I want to make sure the problem hasn't gone away with this week's release.

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    Edit -- Just got back to Godfrey's note. I'll see where I set the output profile in CaptureOne. I last touched that years ago. And try again.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    With your new upload:

    Firefox, mode "1" washed out (same as before)
    Firefox, mode "0" okay
    Chrome, default washed out
    Internet Explorer, default okay.

    Win 7 64 bit
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by fotoism View Post
    You can go to your Firefox setting in about:config, set the value for "gfx.color_management.mode" to "0" (zero). It worked for me - it was "1" before and the color was washed out, now it's fine.
    Tried that; "gfx.color_management.mode" was set to "2". Changed this to "0".

    Colours are now 'normal', same as I saw in Chrome. Browsers are tiresome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    There are several variations on the Spitfire canopy design. This is the "iconic Supermarine Spitfire fighter" ...



    (see 92-year-old Female WWII Vet Flies Again | EpicTimes)

    where this is a more classic MK26b model:





    (see Spitfire Mk26b | Light Aircraft DB & Sales)

    A P-51 Mustang has a fundamentally different fuselage/wing/tail shape, never mind the cockpit canopy:



    I'm by no means an expert on any of these airplanes. :-)

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    The P-51 Mustang uses a version of the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine, built by Packard under licence. The Merlin was the engine in the Spitfire etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    The P-51 Mustang uses a version of the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine, built by Packard under licence. The Merlin was the engine in the Spitfire etc.
    Apparently the P51 was a real dog until they got to England and tried the Merlin. And that's why the exhaust stacks look almost the same. Is the 5-bladed propeller seen on both fighters or just on the Mustang?

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    I tweaked Chrome a bit and now the color there is good on your second upload (#577) as well as Robert's quote of your files (#581), but your previous files (#561) are still pale in Chrome, and all fine in IE and FF. Go figure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fotoism View Post
    I tweaked Chrome a bit and now the color there is good on your second upload (#577) as well as Robert's quote of your files (#581), but your previous files (#561) are still pale in Chrome, and all fine in IE and FF. Go figure!
    Thanks for checking. I think Godfrey sees more than the elements that I have tweaked. He said my output files showed "generic DNG profile" or something, but in the output dialog of Capture One I have two options, Adobe RGB or SRGBxxxxx, and that's all that I have changed. It's 1 am here, and I have to get kids to school tomorrow, so I'll absorb any more advice in the morning. Thanks, guys.

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    Safari on both iMac and Macbook look good on all your files, previous ones and the last ones. I did not have Safari on Win 7 though.
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    Sorry for the distraction, but Capture One just released an upgrade. Here's one of the last files regenerated with the new release. Could someone with a browser that sees the previous file wrong tell me if anything has changed?

    L1010040 2 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

    thanks,

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    Edit: I replaced the second try with a third, using sRGB output -- previously my JPEGs were in Adobe RGB.
    The ones that appear washed out in Firefox on my system show this when I look at them with EXIFtool:

    ProfileCreator: POne
    ProfileDescription: GenericDngFile-Neutral
    ProfileCopyright: Copyright (c) 2005-2007 Phase One A/S. All rights reserved.
    ProfileCMMType:
    ProfileClass: Input Device Profile
    ProfileConnectionSpace: Lab
    ProfileDateTime: 2007:08:10 18:51:51

    The ones that render properly in Firefox on my system show this when I look at them with EXIFtool:

    ProfileCreator: HP
    ProfileDescription: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
    ProfileCopyright: Copyright (c) 1998 Hewlett-Packard Company
    ProfileCMMType: Lino
    ProfileClass: Display Device Profile
    ProfileConnectionSpace: XYZ
    ProfileDateTime: 1998:02:09 06:49:00

    Both render properly in Safari (on OS X or iOS devices, likely Windows too but I don't have a Windows system to check against) because Safari is color-managed and honors the profiles. The same is true of Chrome, I believe, although I never run Chrome. Firefox does not color-manage and honor profiles by default.

    You should always output image files you intend to post to the web with sRGB color calibration profile, not Adobe RGB (1998) or any other.

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    This file looks fine in Firefox
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Apparently the P51 was a real dog until they got to England and tried the Merlin. And that's why the exhaust stacks look almost the same. Is the 5-bladed propeller seen on both fighters or just on the Mustang?

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    While I know a bit about the Merlin engine, I don't know much about the planes. I gather that (at least) two types of propellers could be mounted. Some (most?) seem to have had 4 blades; others had 5.
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    R Blackwater at Verner's Bridge

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    I wonder what wild pigs think about the behavior of human beings...
    This is not a parking area near a highway but places in the woods where normal people come to enjoy the nature.
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    Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5
    ISO 400 @ f/4.8 @ 1/40 sec

    enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I wonder what wild pigs think about the behavior of human beings...
    Very lowly as they need energy drinks to even litter.

    How close the zoom can go, Tom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    There are several variations on the Spitfire canopy design.
    A P-51 Mustang has a fundamentally different fuselage/wing/tail shape, never mind the cockpit canopy:

    I'm by no means an expert on any of these airplanes. :-)

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    The P51 Mustang also had a number of canopy designs - http://acepilots.com/planes/p51d_mustang.html




    I'm by no means an expert on any of these airplanes. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    The P51 Mustang also had a number of canopy designs - http://acepilots.com/planes/p51d_mustang.html




    I'm by no means an expert on any of these airplanes. :-)
    Cool! Yes, lots of different designs tailored to different uses as well as experience in the field.
    I should study up on them a bit more. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I wonder what wild pigs think about the behavior of human beings...
    This is not a parking area near a highway but places in the woods where normal people come to enjoy the nature.
    Pretty much typical for rural N Ireland; I lost count of the Red Bull cans, fast food containers and plastic bags along the roadside when out for a walk earlier today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Campbell View Post
    Pretty much typical for rural N Ireland; I lost count of the Red Bull cans, fast food containers and plastic bags along the roadside when out for a walk earlier today.
    Time for "Adopt a Roadway" section.

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    Here are some more dinner and family evening pictures, this time with the APO-Summicron-R 90:

    L1010077 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

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    Last edited by scott kirkpatrick; 8th January 2016 at 23:46. Reason: tried to improve color balance on #1 and #3

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    Scott, Mixed and or artificial lighting could be a challenge for WB. Still the skin colors are quite off.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by scott kirkpatrick View Post
    Here are some more dinner and family evening pictures, this time with the APO-Summicron-R 90:

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    These are all rendered with C1, right? I would be interested to see you render them with Lightroom 6.3, which has the right profile for the Leica SL.

    I took a copy of the first one into LR6.3 and cleaned up the skin tones in about six seconds by adjusting white point and HSL map for hue and saturation. It looks much more natural edited that way.

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