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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Thanks for the photos, Ashwin. This thread really needs more folks to have SL cameras in hand so we get beyond all these musings and into enjoying the photos the SL can make. Ach, another five days ... ;-)



    I don't know about definitively putting to rest anything, but I will certainly be testing my M-mount lenses on the SL, at least briefly. My M lens kit is a mix of old and new, Leica and Voigtländer lenses. It's already whittled down to four whose performance I like on the M-P very much (Elmar-M 24 ASPH, Summilux 35 v2, Nokton 50 (LTM), Summarit-M 75, plus M-Rokkor 90 and Hektor 135 which I use only occasionally), so they'll be the first ones I test on the SL.

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    My old M lens kit was similarly mixed between Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander. I actually didn't have an issues with any of my Zeiss or Voitlander lenses on mirrorless cameras but my Leica's were disappointing. I was really hoping that the 24 Elmar would've worked too because it is one of the best wide angles that I've ever used on any system.

    If I ever buy back into Leica with a M Monochrom it'll be on my must have lens list for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    My old M lens kit was similarly mixed between Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander. I actually didn't have an issues with any of my Zeiss or Voitlander lenses on mirrorless cameras but my Leica's were disappointing. I was really hoping that the 24 Elmar would've worked too because it is one of the best wide angles that I've ever used on any system.

    If I ever buy back into Leica with a M Monochrom it'll be on my must have lens list for sure.
    I had tested Color Skopar 21/4, CS28/3.5, CS35/2.5, Ultron 28/2, and Nokton 40/1.4 MC on Sony A7, Leica M9, and Leica M-P. They produce varying degrees of color shift and artifacts on all three of those bodies, as well as varying degrees of corner/edge smearing and vignetting artifacts. The CS35 works pretty well for me on M9 and M-P. I was able to find lens codes that allowed the CS28/3.5 to work successfully on the M9 and, to a slightly lesser extent, on the M-P. The Nokton 40 works pretty well on M9, very well on M-P, and passably on A7. I sold the 21/4 and Ultron 28/2.

    The Elmar-M 24 performance outstrips both the 21 and 28 Color Skopars on the M-P. I had already sold the A7 when I bought it so I couldn't test it on that body. It does require using the lens code for good results, otherwise it color shifts seriously.

    All of these lenses do pretty well on all three bodies if you model them with CornerFix and process the DNG files that way. It's a bit of a pain to do so, that's all.

    I look forward to seeing how they all do on the SL. :-)

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I had tested Color Skopar 21/4, CS28/3.5, CS35/2.5, Ultron 28/2, and Nokton 40/1.4 MC on Sony A7, Leica M9, and Leica M-P. They produce varying degrees of color shift and artifacts on all three of those bodies, as well as varying degrees of corner/edge smearing and vignetting artifacts. The CS35 works pretty well for me on M9 and M-P. I was able to find lens codes that allowed the CS28/3.5 to work successfully on the M9 and, to a slightly lesser extent, on the M-P. The Nokton 40 works pretty well on M9, very well on M-P, and passably on A7. I sold the 21/4 and Ultron 28/2.

    The Elmar-M 24 performance outstrips both the 21 and 28 Color Skopars on the M-P. I had already sold the A7 when I bought it so I couldn't test it on that body. It does require using the lens code for good results, otherwise it color shifts seriously.

    All of these lenses do pretty well on all three bodies if you model them with CornerFix and process the DNG files that way. It's a bit of a pain to do so, that's all.

    I look forward to seeing how they all do on the SL. :-)

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    The 24 Elmar did fine on the A7 except at the very extreme corners where some smearing was introduced but Unfortunately didn't play very well on the A7R of landscape was the goal (like most Leica wide aspherical non telecenteric lenses.)

    I had the Voigtlander 21/1.8 and 35/1.2 v2 and both worked very well. In fact I used the 35/1.2 exclusively as my 35 until I got the 35/1.4 FE Distagon because I disliked the 35/2.8 that much. The Zeiss ZM50/2 worked great although I suspect the Loxia is much better being optimized for the FE system. The Leica 50 Lux ASPH FLE was disappointing IMO on the A7R especially compared to the 55FE. The 90 Cron Pre-AA is one of the most overlooked Leica lenses today and is a better portrait lens than the current 90/2 IMO. Pretty much the only thing that I would wanna change about it is the long focus throw. It's beautiful wide open and clinically razor sharp from f/4 on.

    I hope Leica can get the 50 and 90-280 out sooner rather than later for the sake of SL owners.
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    ... I hope Leica can get the 50 and 90-280 out sooner rather than later for the sake of SL owners.
    I hope so too, and I hope there are more options in the lens timeline by this time next year as well. A fast dedicated WATE would be a great addition, and a 400mm tele with 2x extender as well. Also, extension tubes ... etc.

    I'm quite happy with the diminutive M-Rokkor 90mm f/4 for M-P use. Mine is identical to the Elmar-C 90/4—made in Germany on the same production line, only the bezels are different. I'd be interested in a faster 90mm for the SL except for the fact that I already have the superlative Summicron-R 90mm f/2, absolutely my favorite R lens with the most beautiful rendering and extraordinary sharpness and clarity. It's one of the lenses that has excelled on every body I've tried it on, an incredible lens.

    It will be interesting to see how both of these 90s work on the SL, and how they compare to each other on its sensor. The little 90/4 over-performs for its size and price tag, IMO.

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    I'm very intrigued by the prospect of the SL. Having used the S and S006 as well as various M models, I'm inclined to see the SL as more of an M camera. I'm very excited to see the results in the real world.

    I'm not sure that the SL zooms are for me but I would be really happy to use the SL with M lenses. The colors look good so my only lingering question is around relative sharpness.

    Looking forward to the Leica demo next week!

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    I was testing the SL again yesterday, this time I had a bit more time

    I was shooting the 24-90, which in combination with the camera goes pretty nicely out of the way once I held it for an hour or so. The IQ from this lens is STUNNING at every focal length, even in close up shots, giving you the real Leica signature - not more to add.

    I also shot it with the 0.95 Nocti and the 1.4/35 FLE and both performed perfect. Not the slightest need to use any focusing aid, as you can even focus the Nocti wide open razor sharp, just using the EVF - I really like this. Will test hopefully tomorrow again with my 1.0/Nocti and try to make some portraits. Cannot wait to get my hands on this combination

    Also video works perfect, especially in combination with the M glass, as this is kind of CINE lens like - just manual focus and easy to focus, at least if you are used to M lens focusing anyway. And again the EVF contributes a lot to the whole experience!

    Maybe I should then stop testing, as my credit card sits looser with every time I hold this camera again
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Some test shots from Saturday with the SL and my 1.0/50 Noctilux. Most shot at 1.0.

    First 2 my daughter Naomi, who we could convince to be my model and last one Vienna Opera house from Leica Store Vienna.

    I love this camera and how it handles with the Nocti, handling became just like second nature to me within seconds!

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    Now some more with the my M 1.4/75, also from Leica Store Vienna. I shot this lens first time after many years and also this lens is a stunning performer on the SL and same exceptional handling like the Nocti 1.0. Again all shot wide open, I know this is an ideal portrait lens.

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    Finally one with the 24-90, of course a stunning performer.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Hi Pete - nice samples - what ISO are the indoor shots?

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    Very nice, Peter! Just don't get me jonesing for a Nocti, okay? I'll be sufficiently broke after my SL arrives as it is... :-)

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    Hi Pete - nice samples - what ISO are the indoor shots?
    The Nocti shots were around ISO 50 (the advantage of a Nocti), the Summilux shots between ISO 100 to ISO 160.

    When you click on the photos you should be directed to Flickr, where you can see all EXIF data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Very nice, Peter! Just don't get me jonesing for a Nocti, okay? I'll be sufficiently broke after my SL arrives as it is... :-)

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    Thank you Godfrey!

    I am sure you will enjoy your SL! Worth whatever effort!

    The 1.0/Nocti is a really marvelous lens and you might be able to pick one up for a reasonable price, once you start looking. No hurry for this, there are always some around It is for sure not as perfect as the .95/Nocti, but IMHO it has far better character (or however you want to describe this) and shows fine details when focused correctly even at 1.0
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by ptomsu View Post
    Thank you Godfrey!

    I am sure you will enjoy your SL! Worth whatever effort!

    The 1.0/Nocti is a really marvelous lens and you might be able to pick one up for a reasonable price, once you start looking. No hurry for this, there are always some around It is for sure not as perfect as the .95/Nocti, but IMHO it has far better character (or however you want to describe this) and shows fine details when focused correctly even at 1.0
    You are not helping... ;-)

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    Crikey - I thought I understood this; the T-system has the T-mount and the SL-system also has the T-mount. So far so good.
    Now, I just read in the latest LFI they call it now the L-mount ... (Leica L bayonet) and all future T-lenses will be named TL ...
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Some fun during a Photo equipment fair @ Autoworld, Brussels (SL +24-90mm):











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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    SL + 24-90mm:




    D810 + Milvus 85mm:




    ps: same white balance point / developped in Lightroom (Nikon saturation +4 / Leica embedded profile saturation +0)
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    SL + 24-90 full open:




    D810 + Otus 85mm full open:




    ps: the yellows of the Leica (that looks a bit oversaturated here) are outstanding in adobeRGB on a Eizo ColorEdge monitor.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    The SL colors pop.
    The D810 images look a little more subtile and smoother though.
    I am not sure what I prefer. The colors of the SL with the transitions of the D810 would be nice.
    But maybe its also a question of shallow DOF.
    So we need some fast primes for the SL asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    The SL colors pop.
    The D810 images look a little more subtile and smoother though.
    I am not sure what I prefer. The colors of the SL with the transitions of the D810 would be nice.
    But maybe its also a question of shallow DOF.
    So we need some fast primes for the SL asap.
    F2.8 versus F1.4 on the D810 and it looks like the Nikon is 2/3 to 1 stop brighter ....

    Very close

    Honestly the brashness of the SL reminds me of the S2 S006 ... wonderful
    aggressive in your face color and distinct clarity.

    Cannot say I am willing to give up my D810 and Oti at this point.

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    Nice colors. Hard to tell from the web jpegs but the DR looks pretty good on the SL


    The SL should arrive on Wed and I'm looking forward to trying it with the Otus 55 & 85 via the Novaflex adapter.
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    The SL colors pop.
    The D810 images look a little more subtile and smoother though.
    I am not sure what I prefer. The colors of the SL with the transitions of the D810 would be nice.
    But maybe its also a question of shallow DOF.
    So we need some fast primes for the SL asap.
    Agree.

    Happy to see some pics rolling in.
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    Great to see some pictures flowing in! And lively, vivid photos they are.

    My battery is on the charger now.
    Unfortunately, I'm trying to shake a nasty headcold picked up over the weekend so photo shoots will be limited for a day or so. :-\

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    I don't know about the camera or the lens or the colors, but that 1930s 'muscle car' is to-die-for.
    Get well soon, Godfrey, and show us some images!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    I don't know about the camera or the lens or the colors, but that 1930s 'muscle car' is to-die-for.
    Get well soon, Godfrey, and show us some images!

    Kirk
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    I also enjoy to see more images and hear more feedback.
    For some reason the SL seems a camera which touchs our emotion and leads to people to a "want have feeling" even though there are also many reasons not to get one (specially price and lens availability, and products like Nikon D750/810 or Canon 5dIII)
    I admit that I am also becoming weaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I also enjoy to see more images and hear more feedback.
    For some reason the SL seems a camera which touchs our emotion and leads to people to a "want have feeling" even though there are also many reasons not to get one (specially price and lens availability, and products like Nikon D750/810 or Canon 5dIII)
    I admit that I am also becoming weaker.
    Tom,

    I maybe should not have tested one, as now I want one. The feeling even (or especially) with the M glass I shot it was just extraordinary. Back to photography as I grew up and evolved with and giving you the total Leica feeling. Plus the results are just stunning.

    Just need to find some funds, but then I will get one - instead of the M240 or whatever might come in the M line, then I instantly have a system with 12 M lenses to shoot, including a WATE etc. And later add SL native lenses as they get available.

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    A last one from the same serie:



    Colors certainly are not very correct (reds are completely off, under artificial lights at least), there's some noise at iso 800, DR is less than the D800 (a bit) an the Otus lens will certainly smash the 24-90mm in a side by side test.
    Anyway for artistic photography (leaving the tests charts at home) I clearly, without any doubt, prefer this new Leica to a D810+Otus/Milvus/Sigma Art or whatever.
    The clarity, pop, drawing is exactly what I was looking for. 1st time I see that in a CMOS camera.
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    Felt well enough today to do some lens testing this morning and then take a walk to get lunch.

    I tested some of my most used R and M lenses against the SL 24-90. By and large, my feeling is "just pick the lens I want to shoot with and don't worry about it." The SL seems very compatible with all of them. They're all different too so I have my pick of what kind of rendering I might want to see.

    I fitted the macro for my walk. Will process exposures a little later after the latest LR is installed.

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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Off topic but please let us know what you think of the latest LR update. In particular regarding the LR profile for the SL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erudolph View Post
    Off topic but please let us know what you think of the latest LR update. In particular regarding the LR profile for the SL.
    I found some problems with Lr 6.3 running on OS X "El Capitan" with respect to the Slide Show module. The Library and Develop modules seem to work fine.

    This afternoon I fitted the Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm to the SL and went for a walk ...
























    all: Leica SL + Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm f/2.8
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    All of these were rendered in Lr 6.3 from the DNG files with very few adjustments.

    I like how the SL works with Leica R lenses: it feels balanced and comfortable in the hand.

    enjoy! G
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    All of these were rendered in Lr 6.3 from the DNG files with very few adjustments.

    I like how the SL works with Leica R lenses: it feels balanced and comfortable in the hand.

    enjoy! G
    Wonderful!

    I have a question WRT LR6.3 - what profile do you choose - Embedded or Adobe Standard?

    Embedded was already available in LR6.2, so I assume that the right SL profile should now be Adobe Standard - right?

    Thanks

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    Wonderful!

    I have a question WRT LR6.3 - what profile do you choose - Embedded or Adobe Standard?

    Embedded was already available in LR6.2, so I assume that the right SL profile should now be Adobe Standard - right?
    Thank you for the compliment, Peter. :-)

    I let Lightroom 6.3 operate on its defaults. It defaulted to the Adobe Standard profile, and all of these were processed that way. When I flip them to the embedded profile, the colors all shift to somewhat extreme saturations, particularly reds.

    Maybe tomorrow, I'll shoot a couple of frames of the Xrite Color Checker and generate an SL profile with the Passport software, see how that differs.

    BTW: I did some lens testing today too.

    - I've verified to my satisfaction that the Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm is almost perfectly parfocal.
    - I tested a modest batch of my M and R lenses casually to see how they performed against the 24-90 as reference:

    24-90 zoom @ 24, 28, 35, 50, 75, 90 settings
    Elmarit-R 19/2.8 v1
    Elmarit-R 24/2.8
    Elmar-M 24 ASPH
    Summicron-R 35/2 v2
    Summilux-R 50/1.4
    Summicron-R 90/2
    Summarit-M 75/2.4
    Summilux 35/1.4 v2 (M)

    They all work very well, with no corner smearing or edge weirdness, and the SL zoom keeps up with the primes in almost all cases. The zoom at 90mm is at its most challenged, particularly against the Summicron-R 90/2, at the corners and edges. But even there, by f/8, I'd be splitting hairs to say something bad about it. All the M and R lenses work at least acceptably, even wide open; the Elmarit-R 19 and Elmar-M 24 really should be stopped down to f/5.6 for improved corner results however. Edit: Note that this was certainly true of the Elmarit-R 19mm on film, and seems to be the same for the Elmar-M 24. :-)

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    Great!

    Looking forward learning from your Xrite Color Checker exercise!

    And yes, the Adobe profile is the colour profile being tuned for SL in the latest version of Lightroom (I use LR2015.3 which, I guess, corresponds to LR6.3). This profile gives pleasant, relatively naturally looking, colours. The embedded profile gives poppy, somewhat plastic appearing, reds, greens and yellows.
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    Thank you for the compliment, Peter. :-)

    I let Lightroom 6.3 operate on its defaults. It defaulted to the Adobe Standard profile, and all of these were processed that way. When I flip them to the embedded profile, the colors all shift to somewhat extreme saturations, particularly reds.

    Maybe tomorrow, I'll shoot a couple of frames of the Xrite Color Checker and generate an SL profile with the Passport software, see how that differs.

    BTW: I did some lens testing today too.

    - I've verified to my satisfaction that the Vario-Elmarit-SL 24-90mm is almost perfectly parfocal.
    - I tested a modest batch of my M and R lenses casually to see how they performed against the 24-90 as reference:
    24-90 zoom @ 24, 28, 35, 50, 75, 90 settings
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    Elmarit-R 24/2.8
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    They all work very well, with no corner smearing or edge weirdness, and the SL zoom keeps up with the primes in almost all cases. The zoom at 90mm is at its most challenged, particularly against the Summicron-R 90/2, at the corners and edges. But even there, by f/8, I'd be splitting hairs to say something bad about it. All the M and R lenses work at least acceptably, even wide open; the Elmarit-R 19 and Elmar-M 24 really should be stopped down to f/5.6 for improved corner results however.

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    Godfrey,

    I reprocessed all my SL shots from last Saturday with LR6.3 and Adobe Standard and the colors are MUCH MORE to what I remember they should be - actually spot on! So good that I only needed to adjust exposure on some shots (my fault during taking the picture as I could not properly handle exposure control by then) but otherwise just perfect as the DNGs are coming out of the camera!

    Looking forward to more of your results/shots

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    Question to the lucky owners: is there AF confirmation when using MF lenses ?

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    Question to the lucky owners: is there AF confirmation when using MF lenses ?
    No, not directly. CDAF systems cannot do that very easily or accurately; I'm of the belief that it's better not to even try.

    However, focus peaking provides a similar kind of in-focus signaling. The Leica implementation is subtle and unobtrusive, works well and very accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    No, not directly. CDAF systems cannot do that very easily or accurately; I'm of the belief that it's better not to even try.

    However, focus peaking provides a similar kind of in-focus signaling. The Leica implementation is subtle and unobtrusive, works well and very accurately.

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    I think I must be completely oblivious an hour into owning the camera, but I can't seem to activate focus peaking with my M-adapter T and Noct f/0.95. I can zoom, no problem, but don't see any signs of peaking with focus....Any suggestions here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    No, not directly. CDAF systems cannot do that very easily or accurately; I'm of the belief that it's better not to even try.

    However, focus peaking provides a similar kind of in-focus signaling. The Leica implementation is subtle and unobtrusive, works well and very accurately.

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    Thank you, Godfrey.
    It is that I just liked the way my Pentax worked.
    Frankly, I find AF signaling less obtrusive then FP as the latter can be rather messy at times.
    But I guess I should better check for myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorp View Post
    Thank you, Godfrey.
    It is that I just liked the way my Pentax worked.
    Frankly, I find AF signaling less obtrusive then FP as the latter can be rather messy at times.
    But I guess I should better check for myself

    Kind regards.
    HI There Bart
    The focus peaking is fine (if rather subtle), but I'm a firm believer that good EVFs are better without FP - it tends to pick the high contrast area rather than those in focus. The EVF on the SL is so huge that I found it really easy to achieve focus - confirmation seems rather beside the point.

    But whether you want it or not - it's not there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    I think I must be completely oblivious an hour into owning the camera, but I can't seem to activate focus peaking with my M-adapter T and Noct f/0.95. I can zoom, no problem, but don't see any signs of peaking with focus....Any suggestions here?
    Hi Ashwin
    . . . press the info button (bottom right) to cycle through the view options?

    Then realise you don't need it and switch it off

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    Guys who actually got an SL...

    I still don't understand the point of this camera if you already own an M. Can you help me? Thanks.
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    Guys who actually got an SL...

    I still don't understand the point of this camera if you already own an M. Can you help me? Thanks.
    Can't help Brad . . . . . except that it will replace "that other camera" you might have that you find useful but don't like that much (Sony A7, Canon 5D, Nikon D4, Olympus OMD) . . . and while doing it will also play with all the nice Leica glass you have . . . . very very very very fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    Can't help Brad . . . . . except that it will replace "that other camera" you might have that you find useful but don't like that much (Sony A7, Canon 5D, Nikon D4, Olympus OMD) . . . and while doing it will also play with all the nice Leica glass you have . . . . very very very very fast!
    Hi Jono,

    I find that I really like the Sony A7R2 and their autofocus lenses. I need my D4 for sports - I know the Sony can't keep up to it and I doubt the Leica SL could replace it either. I love my M for M lenses and I don't own any R or Canon glass, so I guess I am just not in the target market for the SL.

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    Guys who actually got an SL...

    I still don't understand the point of this camera if you already own an M. Can you help me? Thanks.
    Hi Brad, as I begin to know the camera, I suspect that the SL is a view to the future of Leica. It is the ultimate bridge camera that can handle M lenses, R lenses (for those who have that investmetn), and it's own SL lenses. It does so while preserving exif data, which then permits the ability to make in camera vignetting corrections for M lenses and other relevant glass. The experience is similar to using M lenses on a Sony, but in Leica's own ecosystem and support in place.

    The camera feels substantially larger in hand than the Sony A series, as you well know. The EVF is FAR FAR FAR superior to anything I have tried, and permits facile manual focusing, particularly for those who have an investment in manual glass who may have difficulty focusing with a RF.

    I purchased the SL as I do not currently have a color M and desired a color option for my M lenses, at least until a time when Leica releases the next M.

    While I don't want to turn this into a "wishful" Next-Leica-M/M262 discussion, I would suspect that the next M will take design cues from the SL. One could imagine such a camera employing a similarly spec'd EVF that, if implemented properly, could become the whispered/patented "opto-electronic" RF, which could theoretically shrink camera size. The rear 4 button layout is really nice, and once you are used to it (took me about 10 min), it was truly a pleasurable, minimalistic system, that may make its way to future M's.

    Ultimately, though, part of this has to do with enjoying a refined build, while gaining that pride of ownership that many of us in the Leica fan club enjoy so much (for better or for worse). Plus, I do enjoy focusing my M lenses in this manner as well as in the RF manner, so one has options in that way of using M lenses in a variety of ways....

    In a sense, Leica has offered us one more choice for M lenses while providing a professional solution for those willing to make the investment in a responsive camera that blazes new territory and can handle a variety of lenses in the Leica ecosystem.

    All of that said, if you are happy with the Sony cameras to suit a similar purpose, you are really only giving up the simplicity and build quality that is Leica. You gain a bunch of megapixels (24 vs 42 is substantial) and a reduced size profile....oh yes, Leica gets you the best EVF out there, and that's seriously awesome....particularly for manual focusing in this method...though I do still prefer the RF way...
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    Re: Fun with the Leica SL (digital)

    Quote Originally Posted by bradhusick View Post
    Hi Jono,

    I find that I really like the Sony A7R2 and their autofocus lenses. I need my D4 for sports - I know the Sony can't keep up to it and I doubt the Leica SL could replace it either. I love my M for M lenses and I don't own any R or Canon glass, so I guess I am just not in the target market for the SL.

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    I think the SL might be able to keep up with the sports, although it'll need a slightly different focusing routine - 11fps RAW to two cards really is quite fast, and the blackout time is negligible. I've not tried the 90-250, but if it's focusing performance is as good as the 24-90 it will be a real contender.

    As Ashwin says - MF is easy and fast with the big EVF . . . . . I must say for my prime usage I'm happy with manual focus as long as it's this good - it has real advantages over AF if you can live with it. M lenses just perform better on the SL (why wouldn't they with lens profiles and a sensor designed for them).

    But maybe you need 42mp (I certainly don't).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashwinrao1 View Post
    I think I must be completely oblivious an hour into owning the camera, but I can't seem to activate focus peaking with my M-adapter T and Noct f/0.95. I can zoom, no problem, but don't see any signs of peaking with focus....Any suggestions here?
    Press the lower-right button to cycle view display modes. The view display modes cycle in order, they're all on by default. FP is the one after the live histogram.

    It can be rather subtle, many some lenses with soft contrast don't let the display show much. I have a more positive e pertinence with it than Jono, but in most cases using a 50mm lens, it's pretty unnecessary.

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    Guys who actually got an SL...

    I still don't understand the point of this camera if you already own an M. Can you help me? Thanks.
    Brad,
    For me this will be my high ISO camera for my S lenses. It will also serve as the long lense solution lacking with the S. As for the M in my life, I mostly shot with the 28 'cron and the Q has replaced most of the brace of lenses, I still have the M9 and 35 v4 'cron.

    I did look into getting the Sony A7rII but with the SL, I can use my Leica family of lenses and get support if it does not work.

    As for sports, the most memorable images taken were done with cameras only capable of one frame per second and manual focus. It is not the equipment that should hold you back.

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    Guys who actually got an SL...

    I still don't understand the point of this camera if you already own an M. Can you help me? Thanks.
    Hi Brad,

    The SL is to the M just as the R was to the M: the more versatile complement to handle all the things that the M isn't well suited to. That's all. It's the same reason why, for almost all the years between 1969 and 2001, I always had a Nikon SLR kit next to a Leica RF kit with a couple of lenses.

    Gosh knows most of the folks on this forum have more than enough cameras to go around the block a few times and few really *need* to buy another camera. However, I seem the M and SL as being excellent complements, the SL in particular being nicely optimized to use all my R lenses as well as all my M lenses, as well as its own new, AF, OIS lenses. And S, and Leica Cine lenses too if you work in those rarified strata.

    If you're happy with the equipment you have, just enjoy the photos that people post. And keep shooting.

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    Some one out there who's willing to try the M(240) and SL(601) side-by-side (same scene, iso and speed) with the same M-lens ?
    I really like to know if there's any noticeable difference between the two sensors.

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