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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonkirk View Post
    That's certainly a clear (and on the other hand, fuzzy) answer.

    Makes me wonder how a 35mm R lens would look in comparison.

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    This is a quickie test shot with the Summicron-R 35mm f/2 v2 fitted to the SL. Focus distance about 6 feet on the YELLOW film boxes in the center:



    Nipping to the corner @ 1:1 display, here's the lens at f/2 and at f/5.6:



    (Right click the above to see full resolution in a separate window.)

    The Summicron-R 35 is a little soft at the extreme corners wide open, gets to excellent 1 to 2 stops down, and produces peak corner sharpness at f/8. Center and well out to the corners is excellent throughout. There's no smearing on the SL (this is one of my lenses that smeared at the corners on the A7). The behavior I see in this quickie test on the SL matches its behavior on film exactly ...

    Smearing in the corners with this lens, the Elmarit-R 24mm, and smearing plus significant vignetting/artifacts with the Elmarit-R 19mm v1 are what led to my disappointment with the Sony A7. These lenses perform better on the M-P typ 240; with the SL, they image as well as they do with the R8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    In reality there shouldn't be much differences with R (or any SLR) lenses when mounted on mirrorless systems when compared to their native bodies. You'll have the benefit of EXIF on the SL, M, or T though.
    I would say that "In theory there shouldn't be much difference with R (or any SLR) lenses when mounted on mirrorless systems when compared to their native bodies, but in practice there is."

    The Nikkor 18mm f/3.5 AI-S images in the corners FAR better on a Nikon D750 body than it did on other bodies; you'd swear it was a different lens. It's quite strikingly different. I haven't tested it on the SL yet. Comparing it on the D750 and on the SL to the Elmarit-R 19mm v1 on the SL is one of those tests I'm interested to get to sometime soon.

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    Leica SL + Elmar-R 180mm f/4
    ISO 125 @ f/4 @ 1/160

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    Hi Louis
    I never shoot with a tripod (unless I'm testing lenses) - this was shot at 1/800th at f7.1 and ISO 50 . . . . . don't need no tripod

    The minute I put a camera on a tripod all my creativity seems to disappear in a puff of logic . . . I'd rather have blurry than boring!

    A bit of background to this (in case you're interested) -
    I needed to get the dogs exercised, it was nearly dark and very foggy when I left home - any normal person would have left the camera behind (but I NEVER do that). I had to brave a very big pile of pig poo (which the dogs didn't roll in) to get the shot - it'll be spread on the stubble later.

    I used the brush and raised the exposure in the foreground by nearly 2 stops - then I added about 30 points clarity in the sky to bring the clouds out a bit . . . and that's it, no cropping, no overall exposure changes.
    Incredible dynamic range. One of the things which drew me into the Sony camp was the dynamic range of the sensors which was better than any other digital camera I had owned. But this sensor seems as good.

    I've just got the Leica Q and is it the same sensor as the SL? My first impression of developing Q images in LR6.3 is that the sensor also has and incredible dynamic range. Well done Leica (or whoever it is who supplies the sensor).

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouis View Post
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    I've just got the Leica Q and is it the same sensor as the SL? My first impression of developing Q images in LR6.3 is that the sensor also has an incredible dynamic range. Well done Leica (or whoever it is who supplies the sensor). ..
    My understanding is that the SL sensor is not exactly the same as the Q sensor, but they're the same technology family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    I would say that "In theory there shouldn't be much difference with R (or any SLR) lenses when mounted on mirrorless systems when compared to their native bodies, but in practice there is."

    The Nikkor 18mm f/3.5 AI-S images in the corners FAR better on a Nikon D750 body than it did on other bodies; you'd swear it was a different lens. It's quite strikingly different. I haven't tested it on the SL yet. Comparing it on the D750 and on the SL to the Elmarit-R 19mm v1 on the SL is one of those tests I'm interested to get to sometime soon.

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    Thats probably a more accurate statement. I guess I was thinking more in line in comparison to rangefinder lenses in general. Even the Micro 4/3 cameras had issues with many wide angle rangefinder lenses using the "optimum" center portion of the lenses. SLR lenses worked much better there as well.

    Thanks everyone one for sharing your SL images. It's probably not a camera in my future (mostly due to me not wanting to switch primary systems anymore with my shifts from Canon->Micro 4/3->Leica M->Sony FE within the last 7 years) but I do like that Leica seems to have revisited and tweaked color on the Q and SL more similar to what I liked about the M9 with that "pop" to images straight out of the camera.

    For all of the complaints about the FF mirrorless cameras not being absolutely perfect with rangefinder lenses they've still come a long way from where we were 5-7 years ago (when even Leica wasn't sure that a FF Rangefinder could be made at a semi-reasonable price.) I've found for most pictures that's aren't purely landscape it doesn't matter if the extreme corners are slightly smeared but color casting can ruin a color image.
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    Leica SL + Elmar-R 180mm f/4
    ISO 160 @ f/16 @ 1/160

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfrey View Post
    Not Ashwin, but I had the 24-90 out for a bit earlier. It is still big and heavy, but once you get used to dealing with larger lenses (R system lenses tend to be heavy and some are quite large), it's not so extreme as it feels at first coming from an M or E-M1. A bit more time and the 24-90 will just feel a bit big, to me :-)

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    Hi guys, sorry for the delay. Have been busy posting impressions on FB, less here. The 24-90 is still quite big, as I continue to go between it, M lenses, and R lenses. Ergonomically, the R lenses seem to be best balanced despite the 2 adapter fit, though the Noct feels perfect. The 24-90 is rapidly easily to get used to, but the camera does feel like an SLR with that lens mounted. Optically, it's worth it's price in gold, every bit as good as the legendary 28-90 R, so in summary, I am happy to have it.
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    Noct Noct, who's there. Dreamy image....Dreamy image-who?





    And the 24-90...

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    Ashwin, do those first two images repreaent the new offensive "impenetrable bubble" being deployed, thus preventing defensive schemes from succeeding . Love the creativity in those images and as expresssed previously by others, color output/pallet of both thr SL and Q in many ways is similar to the M9. Its definitely tempting and I can see where its primary strenght would be with both native system AF and R lenses.

    Thanks to everyone for taking the time to post both comparitive images as well as artistic ones. Love to see more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D&A View Post
    Love the creativity in those images and as expresssed previously by others, color output/pallet of both thr SL and Q in many ways is similar to the M9. I
    Thanks ro everyone for taking the time to post both comparitive images as well as artistic ones. Love to see more.

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    Hi Dave, I am very happy with the SL, and will post a variety of my activities with the camera over the past week...It's been a fun week with M, R, and SL lenses...





















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    Compulsory cat picture taken with my favorite lens, the 75mm Summilux. I LOVE this lens on the SL.

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    Thank you to all posting images, specially since those are real life images they help much more than test target images.

    The SL for me is a difficult decision. It looks like I want one but try to make sure that it is not just another GAS attack, but a long term buy. The fact/advantage that I could use all those m/s/t lenses on it makes it at the same time more difficult decission. Because those lenses work so good on their original M/S and T bodies. Except the EVF would be a great benefit for M-lenses 75mm and up IMO.
    The SL adds speed and the Zoom flexibility, which I now both use mainly Nikon for.
    One big big advantage for me would be to have the same user interface in SL as the S, same logic controls for all my cameras.

    But I also allready see more GAS coming when owning an SL....why not add a 80200 R lens, or a 60Macro...
    Sorry for not posting images (yet?)
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    You just gotta love Mandler glass
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    You just gotta love Mandler glass
    Indeed, yes. I have several Mandlers:

    • Elmarit-R 19mm f/2.8 v1
    • Summicron-R 35mm f/2 v2
    • Summicron-R 50mm f/2 v1
    • Summicron-R 90mm f/2
    • Elmarit-R 135mm f/2.8 v2
    • Telyt-R 250mm f/4 v1

    and the Summilux 35mm f/1.4 v2 (M-mount). Every one of them seems to have a small dose of unique "specialness" that is characteristic of Dr. Mandler's design notions. Even though later versions of these lenses—generally better performing from a technical perspective—might exist and be equally wonderful in their own way, I like what these lenses do in my photos. :-)

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    Here's another sample of my muse, Rosie. This time with another Mandler lens, the 90mm Elmarit on the SL.

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    Here's another sample of my muse, Rosie. This time with another Mandler lens, the 90mm Elmarit on the SL.

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    Erik,

    You also have one of the best looking "Leica cats" of all time too
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    SL with 24-90...oh no
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    Leica SL + Telyt-R 250mm f/4 + 2x Extender R
    ISO 3200 @ f/16 (effective) @ 1/125

    I had my light tripod with my for that evening's shooting session ... This rig needs the heavy duty one!

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    Erik,

    You also have one of the best looking "Leica cats" of all time too
    Thanks Jack!

    Rosie is an American Short Hair. The camera does loves her

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    Here's another sample of my muse, Rosie. This time with another Mandler lens, the 90mm Elmarit on the SL.


    My wife thinks your cat is plotting to kill you in your sleep.

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    My wife thinks your cat is plotting to kill you in your sleep.
    That's too funny. Rosie is 14 years old and in reality is a very sweet cat. Having said that, I would't want to be a rodent around her.

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    That's too funny. Rosie is 14 years old and in reality is a very sweet cat. Having said that, I would't want to be a rodent around her.


    I'm sure she's a darling.

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    I'd post pics of my cats but this is an SL thread and I dont have an SL. I don't have to worry about rodent killing or my cats plotting against me. They are Persians (or one is an exotic short hair), the laziest cats on earth. They see a fake mouse on the floor, put one paw on top and look up as to say "happy, is this what you want to see"? Thats their excitement for the day.

    If I ever get an SL, you'll all see these most ferocious cats in action .

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    P.S. No wonder my dogs bow at the alter (paws) of these cats (hoping to curry favor with them) . Seriously

    I bet Rosie who looks like a most wonderful cat would set all my pets straight and keep them in line.
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    SL with 24-90...oh no
    What do you mean "oh no", Tom ?
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    What do you mean "oh no", Tom ?
    Not sure what Tom meant but I get a feeling he's hooked on the new SL zoom lens and either now feels he's going to purchase it or already has done so. .

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    What do you mean "oh no", Tom ?
    I tried to collect reasons not to buy the SL but in the end I decided (there are also some good reasons why the SL does make sense for me ) buy it and even the first time after using it outside I liked the combo and the responsiveness a lot. also from a handling point of view the Zoom (with its weight) felt much better than I thought it would.
    The good thing: Leica helps to reduce gear I sell 1 other brand body and 6 lenses to buy one body and one lens
    Well, I havent used that other system much any more anyways.
    Cant say anything about SL IQ yet, but I am sure it will be fine for what I want to use the camera, and if color is not 100% here I assume profiles will improve as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I tried to collect reasons not to buy the SL but in the end I decided (there are also some good reasons why the SL does make sense for me ) buy it and even the first time after using it outside I liked the combo and the responsiveness a lot. also from a handling point of view the Zoom (with its weight) felt much better than I thought it would.
    The good thing: Leica helps to reduce gear I sell 1 other brand body and 6 lenses to buy one body and one lens
    Well, I havent used that other system much any more anyways.
    Cant say anything about SL IQ yet, but I am sure it will be fine for what I want to use the camera, and if color is not 100% here I assume profiles will improve as well.
    Really great decision Tom!

    Congratulations, enjoy and please keep posting

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    I'd post pics of my cats but this is an SL thread and I dont have an SL. ...

    I bet Rosie who looks like a most wonderful cat would set all my pets straight and keep them in line.
    We get our cats from the streets of Jerusalem, usually as rescues when something has taken them from their mothers. With mild winters, cats flourish. (Dogs have much more restricted lives, as this is a country of apartments.) You can see the most recent addition, just under 2 months old, in the M43 thread, either in "Fun with Olympus M" or "7-14 mm Pro" threads. She's adorable, but with some street heritage, critters around us need to watch out. We get frequent presents of lizards and snakes, even birds.

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    Hi Scott,

    As you well know, feral cats are an issue here in the States and of course elsewheres. Ours are adopted rescue cats too but one rarely finds Persians on the streets. They are generally abandoned or abused by their owners or given up by those who can no longer take care of them. Reason for picking the breed is their demeanor works extremely welll with our parricular breed of rescue dogs. No capacity to leave us gifts like mice or birds but there is always Hanukkah for that (gifts)

    Your cats are lovely indeed!

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    Tom, Congrats! Really lookimg forward to your assessment of the SL system along with others who now have the SL. You are in the position of having used on a regular basis the T, M and S systems to compare with. Not sure of your past experience with the R but everyones perspective when all added up gives a well rounded idea of where thr SL atrengths and weaknesses are. No one system does everything well but the SL is intriguing from the standpoint of being designed with multiple systems of Leica lenses being used with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paratom View Post
    I tried to collect reasons not to buy the SL but in the end I decided (there are also some good reasons why the SL does make sense for me ) buy it and even the first time after using it outside I liked the combo and the responsiveness a lot. also from a handling point of view the Zoom (with its weight) felt much better than I thought it would.
    The good thing: Leica helps to reduce gear I sell 1 other brand body and 6 lenses to buy one body and one lens
    Well, I havent used that other system much any more anyways.
    Cant say anything about SL IQ yet, but I am sure it will be fine for what I want to use the camera, and if color is not 100% here I assume profiles will improve as well.
    I hope you enjoy the SL as much as I do.

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    Hi Dave, I am very happy with the SL, and will post a variety of my activities with the camera over the past week...It's been a fun week with M, R, and SL lenses...








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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredArm View Post
    For all of the complaints about the FF mirrorless cameras not being absolutely perfect with rangefinder lenses they've still come a long way from where we were 5-7 years ago (when even Leica wasn't sure that a FF Rangefinder could be made at a semi-reasonable price.) I've found for most pictures that's aren't purely landscape it doesn't matter if the extreme corners are slightly smeared but color casting can ruin a color image.
    Hi There Tre
    I think that smearing is a purely Sony phenomenon - certainly it's not visible on the SL with any of the lenses I've used (lots). Added to which, again, on the Sony it's not the extreme corners, with some lenses it's a significant part of the frame.

    Whilst the M240 performs a little better than the SL (as Sean Reid has demonstrated), the SL is a whole quantum leap better than the A7 cameras - which is hardly surprising, not only does it have a much thinner cover glass, but it has firmware corrections and modified microlenses too.

    I'm only saying this as you seem to be clumping together all mirrorless cameras, and I dont think that's right.

    The A7s are fantastic with the native lenses, and of course with the Zeiss lenses designed to go with them.

    I think it's a truism that you will get the best performance out of native lenses . . . . which in the case of the SL means T, M, R, S and SL lenses - all have proper lens corrections, and the sensor for the SL has been designed with these lenses in mind.

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    These were taken yesterday with the SL with the Leica T 18-56 zoom 12500 ISO
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonoslack View Post
    ... I think that smearing is a purely Sony phenomenon ...
    Not entirely ... I saw corner/edge smearing with a couple of lenses when I was using the Panasonic G1 (Micro-FourThirds format) ... but it's certainly most visible and most intrusive on FF format sensors.

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    ... just too darn cute. :-)

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    Hi There Tre
    I think that smearing is a purely Sony phenomenon - certainly it's not visible on the SL with any of the lenses I've used (lots). Added to which, again, on the Sony it's not the extreme corners, with some lenses it's a significant part of the frame.
    I have examples of Panasonic (m43) phenomena and Leica (MM) phenomena with similar characteristics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivek View Post
    I have examples of Panasonic (m43) phenomena and Leica (MM) phenomena with similar characteristics.
    Indeed - too blanket - but I think it's important not to confuse the smearing phenomena with soft corners.

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    Indeed - too blanket - but I think it's important not to confuse the smearing phenomena with soft corners.
    Yes: smearing is quite different in look and feel from soft corners, typically seen at wide open lens openings.

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    Really great decision Tom!

    Congratulations, enjoy and please keep posting

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    Tom, Congrats! Really lookimg forward to your assessment of the SL system along with others who now have the SL. You are in the position of having used on a regular basis the T, M and S systems to compare with. Not sure of your past experience with the R but everyones perspective when all added up gives a well rounded idea of where thr SL atrengths and weaknesses are. No one system does everything well but the SL is intriguing from the standpoint of being designed with multiple systems of Leica lenses being used with it.

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    Well, I once had a DMR with several lenses but found it problematic to accurately focus those on the DMR/R9. In film times I have always been more an M shooter than R shooter.
    I am sure the SL is great for R glass but I dont plan to buy R lenses at the moment. But I still own a 100 Apo Macro Elmarit.
    One lens I am looking forward to check out on the SL is a Zeiss 85/2.0 - which I find not easy to focus on the M.
    I just like the IQ and also the simple user interface of Leica cameras, even though in case of the SL with AF and video etc. the menues and options become more compared to an M or T.
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    Thanks for the background info Tom. Interestingly if you are refering to the Zeiss ZM 85mm f2.0, I recall it was more difficult to focus on a M than say either the Leica 90mm f2.0 AA or its predisessor. May have something to do with long vs. short focusing throw.

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    Thanks for the background info Tom. Interestingly if you are refering to the Zeiss ZM 85mm f2.0, I recall it was more difficult to focus on a M than say either the Leica 90mm f2.0 AA or its predisessor. May have something to do with long vs. short focusing throw.

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    And of course lens and body/rangefinder have to fit.

    I think I will use mainly the 24-90 Zoom on the SL (because I think it makes sense to use an AF lens on the SL and maybe the 35FLE and 50 APO and some longer M lenses. For my taste I would have been more interested in a smaller 70-200 SL lens than a 70-300. But then 70-300 is a nice mixture between a 70-200 and a 80-400. My feeling: Leica tries to avoid direct competition.
    They announce the S system in between FF and medium format to not have to compete with either, they brought the Q with 28mm to not have to compete directly with the RX1, they brought the SL (with EVF) to not directly compete with Canikon DLSRs, an same is valid for the choice of 24-90/2.8-4.0 and 70-300/2.8-4.0.
    I dont mean this in a negative way. They allways seem to find a way to smartly place a new product which is unique.

    I feel the SL could be a camera which is "not in the way" because its fast, has a nice viewfinder, and -from first impression- a relatively logic and simple UI.
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    These were taken yesterday with the SL with the Leica T 18-56 zoom 12500 ISO
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    Hi Jono,

    Loved these two shots.

    I will be using the camera, once I get it on Thursday, mainly with M lenses but if I was going to get a zoom lens, I would want something small like this lens.

    How does it compare with the giant SL 24-90?
    Worth getting or better to switch m lenses for different shots?
    Notice any appreciable problems printing photos taken with T lenses on the SL?
    Also, what's the quality of the T 23mm f/2 on the SL? Any samples to share?

    Thx a million,

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    Others have commented on the lovely subtle colors coming from the SL's sensor, and I would hasten to agree. Here are a few from a recent foggy day here in Seattle:







    All of these images just had a quick auto tone adjustment in LR. AWB was the settling
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    Ashwin, may I ask what lenses were used for these three images? The color palette of the SL really comes through (apparently the sensor's fingerprint so to speak) and is readily seen in most of the SL images I've viewed so far. Lovely and a definite plus in my opinion. It doean't appear overly saturated but still has plenty of punch and depth. Seems to strike a very good balance in this regard. Looking forward to seeing and hearing more.

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