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    Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    I have always figured I would eventually be buying a Pro8a for its fast recycling and very short flash duration.

    Now with the ProB4 introduction I am kind of temped to completely skip the Pro8 and buy ProB4's.

    The way I see it the B4's have a shorter flash duration (can be set there via freeze) and even faster recycling. The B4 can be taken outside and used with the charger in place. The B4 has 11 stops of power range over 10 for the Pro8.

    Besides having over a stop more of light (only for the Pro8 2400) the Pro8 does not seem to have anything over the B4. The B4 is even cheaper.

    Am I overlooking things here or has the Pro8 become kind of obsolete with the introduction of the B4?

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    Pretty amazing, Profoto is definitely a company that is always making substantial technological advances. It's great that Broncolor and them constantly try to out perform each other. I wish the medium format companies were on this same innovation path.

    If I were buying one, I'd probably go with the new B4. From what i have read, What this also does is allow you to not have to worry about the amount of power a studio has available. Because when the B4 is charging its just pulling power for the battery, not to power the flash. No more popped circuits in smaller studios!!! And if you really need that 2400 ws, buy two and use a bi-tube flash. Granted, that adds up if you get a bunch of them. But at that level of gear, price isn't going to likely be a determining factor.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    The B4 is one amazing bit of lighting kit and the choice I'd make over a Pro8 however if you continually need more than 1000ws (not much in a big studio/set/modifier) or totally hammer the number of flashes in a day, (fashion) potentially the charger may not keep up as I don't think the studio dock is compatible with the B4.

    IMO the ProB4 and the new Rollei electronic shutter are the most exciting new products at Photokina this year.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    The B4 is one amazing bit of lighting kit and the choice I'd make over a Pro8 however if you continually need more than 1000ws (not much in a big studio/set/modifier) or totally hammer the number of flashes in a day, (fashion) potentially the charger may not keep up as I don't think the studio dock is compatible with the B4.

    IMO the ProB4 and the new Rollei electronic shutter are the most exciting new products at Photokina this year.
    Main's dock definitely doesn't work with B4,if you have a B3 it,s best to sell them as a set..B4 supposedly doesn't need the dock.....

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    IMO the ProB4 and the new Rollei electronic shutter are the most exciting new products at Photokina this year.[/QUOTE]

    +1 for the B4,its awesome ...

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by RVB View Post
    IMO the ProB4 and the new Rollei electronic shutter are the most exciting new products at Photokina this year.
    +1 for the B4,its awesome ...[/QUOTE]


    ProB4 the most exiting...? No i think the more exiting is the Broncolor Move - less weight and more freatures:

    MOVE - New battery pack - Live from Photokina - YouTube

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by xpixel View Post
    +1 for the B4,its awesome ...

    ProB4 the most exiting...? No i think the more exiting is the Broncolor Move - less weight and more freatures:

    MOVE - New battery pack - Live from Photokina - YouTube[/QUOTE]

    it certainly looks good.. from Bron's site..

    Battery-operated power pack including rechargeable plug-in lithium battery and charger.
    - flash energy: 1200 J
    - f-stop: 64 1/10
    - flash duration:
    min: 1/20'000s (t 0.5), 1/8500 (t 0.1)
    max: 1/1'000s (t 0.5), 1/350s (t 0.1)
    - charging time: 0.02 1.9s (Speed Mode 0.02 - 0.9s)
    - recharging cycles up to 4000x
    - up to 50'000 flashes at minimal power
    - up to 170 flashes (230 Eco Mode) at full power (without modelling light)
    - control range up to 9 f-stops in 1/10 f-stop
    - 2 lamp outlets fully asymmetrical with flash cut-off and ECTC
    - up to 200 W modelling lamp
    - modelling light timer
    - continiuous light mode
    - automatic switch-off of the power pack after selectable waiting time
    - RFS 2 inside
    - 6.2 kg, 21x17x23 cm

    Its light but the B4 offers 11stops range vs 9 on the Bron and B4 flash duration down to 1/25000 vs 1/20000 on the Bron,the B4 offers 220 flashes at full throttle and the Bron 170.. and the B4 offers symmetrical or asymmetrical power output and the Bron only asymmetrical.

    One big advantage of the Bron is weight,it's very light at 6.2kgs vs 9.8kgs for the B4..

    I can't be sure but I think broncolor modulators are dearer and spare flash tubes are much dearer,I use B3 air's myself.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Don't these battery units have limitation with modeling lamps?

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    Yes they do - when used with batt (not mains dock). On my B3 You can flip it on for a short while if needed during setup but it will really drain the battery if left on.

    I agree the B4 looks amazing!

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by BJNY View Post
    Don't these battery units have limitation with modeling lamps?
    The Broncolor heads shown in the video are LEDs, are daylight balanced and use less juice for longer duration of use.

    How much longer we have no idea since the battery capacity of the B4 is apparently greater.

    Question:

    On the B&H site, they list the Acute 2 D4 flash head as a B4 accessory (???) is this an error, or can you use them on the B4? If so, this makes the B4 even more attractive.

    Broncolor is great, but if you are vested in Profoto it is not an option.

    I do like the Para 88 system, and that can be ordered with a Profoto mount.

    -Marc

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

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    I think this may be a misprint - the B4 should only take pro heads - they are promoting the pro head plus with the packs (would be nice if the acute worked!) I checked the profoto site - they list only the pro head series for compatibility - we will see!

    Michael

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Thanks Michael, I checked that out on the Profoto site also.

    A couple of Pro B Plus heads, and this pup is really some serious coin.

    -Marc

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by fotografz View Post
    A couple of Pro B Plus heads, and this pup is really some serious coin.
    Sure is some serious money involved buying Profoto gear but they sure kick out a beautiful quality light compaired to the Bowens kit I also use.

    I'm tempted by the ProB3 but if money was no objective the B4 is a no brainer.

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    Yeah... the money part

    I just stuck my little toe in the water and bought 3 Pro Plus Heads. These will replace the acute heads I currently use with my D4Air. Now I only need to get myself in another delirium to buy the B4 but at least I don't need to buy heads now

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    What prompted you to replace the Acute heads ?

    I have Pro 6 and Acute heads and find them pretty interchangeable. The Pro 6 head is a different tube and cover but I've never noticed a significant difference in their light.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    The biggest reason, the 2-speed thermostat controlled fan. I often work in my small studio and the acute heads simply make too much noise. I bought a 2nd hand Prohead which makes no noise at all (it now seems the fan is broken ) so I figured the Prohead Plus would make less noise than the Acutes. Now I find they do make less noise but they are not completely silent. It sounds odd but working with less background noise is less tiresome. I never realized how much noise I had from the Acute heads until I replaced them.

    The other reason is that I can use these heads with the D4 as well as the B4.

    OTOH, I also have Acute2 generators which can take the Acute heads.

    Not sure if the light is very different, time will tell if I do experience a difference. I do find the construction of the heads to be a bit sturdier, especially the fastening.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Well, I bit the bullit and have treated myself on a B4. Lets assume the pain of the purchase is long gone while I still enjoy using the pack

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by Dustbak View Post
    Well, I bit the bullit and have treated myself on a B4. Lets assume the pain of the purchase is long gone while I still enjoy using the pack
    Lucky-Ducky you!

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    Be sure to come back and share your experiences!

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    I too have bit the bullet...whew that was a tough one. I sold the D4 and 4 heads to help finance the B4 system which certainly helped. I have read my manual, charged the battery and am anxiously awaiting my new Pro B Plus Heads.
    Its a bitter sweet change as I have to make changes in the studio with available heads (Pro B4 has only 2 sockets) and will use the Pro B4 for key and fill lights and my D1's for hair and kickers. I also can now be fully mobile on location with the Pro B4 and the D1's. Having full control of all lights via"Profoto's AIR SYSTEM" is very seamless. I will probably try the Air USB as I always shoot tethered.
    I believe the Pro B4 will be a great tool and look forward to some creative sports portraitures and in studio water projects....we will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aztwang View Post
    I too have bit the bullet...whew that was a tough one. I sold the D4 and 4 heads to help finance the B4 system which certainly helped. I have read my manual, charged the battery and am anxiously awaiting my new Pro B Plus Heads.
    Its a bitter sweet change as I have to make changes in the studio with available heads (Pro B4 has only 2 sockets) and will use the Pro B4 for key and fill lights and my D1's for hair and kickers. I also can now be fully mobile on location with the Pro B4 and the D1's. Having full control of all lights via"Profoto's AIR SYSTEM" is very seamless. I will probably try the Air USB as I always shoot tethered.
    I believe the Pro B4 will be a great tool and look forward to some creative sports portraitures and in studio water projects....we will see.
    Hi there,

    Saw that you are a ProfotoB4 user (since2013), could you please shared some of your experiences with the pack in outdoor and studio use?

    I have B1 and D1 and shoot on location a lot. Love them. And I want to build my kid with 1-2 additional lights. I am considering OCF B2 units for light weight mobile solution, especially now Profoto just released a OCF beauty dish that goes with any purchase. But ultimately I also want a powerful pack that works both in studio and on location so I also trying to figure out between B4 vs Broncolor Move. The move is lighter with better freezing capabilities (even though its T0.5 is only 1/20000, I actually tested the two and Bron still wins in this aspect), cheaper than ProB4 as well and goes well with my Para133. However, I know B4 is built to last and can work really well with air system.

    A downside of B4 is that it's been released for a while and I just worry Profoto might have a replacement coming soon this Photokina. An HSS and TTL upgrade will be hugely welcomed.

    I am not in a hurry to purchase any of these but any advice will be appreciated.; )

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by FelixWu View Post
    Hi there,

    Saw that you are a ProfotoB4 user (since2013), could you please shared some of your experiences with the pack in outdoor and studio use?
    Pretty sure Don has jumped ship and is now fully broncolor.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Pretty sure Don has jumped ship and is now fully broncolor.
    I saw your just jumped ship to Bron camp, what's your current gear lineup?
    Haha now we have discussion going on both website!
    Last edited by FelixWu; 25th March 2016 at 05:15.

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    Re: Profoto Pro8a vs ProB4

    Quote Originally Posted by FelixWu View Post
    I saw your just jumped ship to Bron camp, what's your current gear lineup?
    Haha now we have discussion going on both website!
    Yes, think most people jump between LL and getdpi.

    Now fully bron with Move and Scoro packs. Cost me a lot to switch from Profoto and ultimately lost money in the process but have no regrets making the switch as the bron gear is just out of this world good. Might add a couple of Siros mono's to the gear list as they intergrate so well with the other gear as they share the exact same technology which I don't think any other manufacturer does, usually drawing very distinct lines between different ranges/price points. Got to love bron for being brave enough to do that IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    Yes, think most people jump between LL and getdpi.

    Now fully bron with Move and Scoro packs. Cost me a lot to switch from Profoto and ultimately lost money in the process but have no regrets making the switch as the bron gear is just out of this world good. Might add a couple of Siros mono's to the gear list as they intergrate so well with the other gear as they share the exact same technology which I don't think any other manufacturer does, usually drawing very distinct lines between different ranges/price points. Got to love bron for being brave enough to do that IMO.
    Do you miss the Profoto zoomable adaptor ring? Feels like good a few modifiers for one price. I really don't like the Bron adaptor, always feel like I might break the glass dome. lol

    If you dislike the b1 weight what do you feel about Siros mono? They are even a bit heavier. Wifi is great though. And it has no recessed light!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelixWu View Post
    Do you miss the Profoto zoomable adaptor ring? Feels like good a few modifiers for one price. I really don't like the Bron adaptor, always feel like I might break the glass dome. lol

    If you dislike the b1 weight what do you feel about Siros mono? They are even a bit heavier. Wifi is great though. And it has no recessed light!
    The Pulso heads are zoomable so haven't really missed the Profoto at all and the zoom range on the B heads was very small anyway. The Profoto adapted sure is a work of genius but the bayonet on the bron just works and I've never had any issues with mounting or breaking Pyrex domes. The speedrings for bron sure are a hell of a lot cheaper and it's not as if you change modifiers ever few minutes so never considered it a negative point really.

    The Siros is not a battery light for location which was my problem with the B1. I was using the AcuteB2 packs when I decided to get the B1 but wished I'd gone for more Acutes. In the end I needed more power and wanted two lamp outputs so started looking at B3's which was just too basic for the money and then B4's but hated the bulk. Bron Move's just ticked all the boxes and added some unique features like the LED modelling which just made the switch even easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazwas View Post
    The Pulso heads are zoomable so haven't really missed the Profoto at all and the zoom range on the B heads was very small anyway. The Profoto adapted sure is a work of genius but the bayonet on the bron just works and I've never had any issues with mounting or breaking Pyrex domes. The speedrings for bron sure are a hell of a lot cheaper and it's not as if you change modifiers ever few minutes so never considered it a negative point really.

    The Siros is not a battery light for location which was my problem with the B1. I was using the AcuteB2 packs when I decided to get the B1 but wished I'd gone for more Acutes. In the end I needed more power and wanted two lamp outputs so started looking at B3's which was just too basic for the money and then B4's but hated the bulk. Bron Move's just ticked all the boxes and added some unique features like the LED modelling which just made the switch even easier.
    Thanks. I just ordered the B4 and a proBplus head for studio/outdoor use. Yeah its heavy and big but it should be more durable too. For location work I find the Move not as convenient and as lightweight as the chordless B1s anyway. Will use B4 whenever I needed 1-2 extra lights on set.

    One other thing I did was I compared the built quality between Bron and Pro and I really prefer how the Profoto packs/monos are designed and appreciate its quality. I noticed even on Siros some paint finishes aren't even in straight lines and they just don't feel as robust.

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