makes sense... thanks.The hardest part is getting rid of it when you do not need it.
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makes sense... thanks.The hardest part is getting rid of it when you do not need it.
we call it DOF
P40+ images are not f8 for sure they are as you like to call it (rich) with DOF so practically I'm not going to selectively pick and choose what part of the P40+ file I like better the P40+ files look straight forward goodMichael R's report is online incl. a 100% crop as well: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/leica-s2-first.shtml
edit: on the Leica Forum someone posted a link to a similar capture with the P40+:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1031776-post15.html
here are two more:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/313/117/017.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/313/117/018.jpg
I agree, that definitely takes away extra juice from the Phase filesMichael's and Davids shots are also with more contrasting lighting and mine and those others are using a little softer approach
This is a tough one, it really is . My first thoughts are exactly this it is a brand new system out of the box with no S history behind it answer= get the warranty. Part 2 Expensive answer , could buy a lens instead. That is just a basic thought and it really is more involved than the first basic thought. Another issue is the backup and only a S2 can back it up. The Hassy, Contax, Hy6,Phase bodies are basically cheap compared to it and as most of us know it is extremely rare the actually back goes down. Bodies yes backs not really and the S2 being integrated complicates that decision a lot. You almost have to have that warranty in sense if your a working Pro. Obviously again this all depends on what you do and what gear you may already have and may not need a overnight camera. Very complicated and also very personal to your needs.at the moment my thoughts are how do we deal with Platinum Service Package?
it seems a little hot to even touch it
exactly :thumbup:It does and until we get them together rocking on the same wavelength it's pretty tough to compare. I do like what I see so far. As always I'm after the best machine i can get and afford. Labels really don't mean much to me and i have switched systems on a dime before but it has to be justified in my mind first. I'm looking for facts not fiction.
I own 2x 1Ds mkIIIs, 2x 5d mkIIs and Dx3This is a tough one, it really is . My first thoughts are exactly this it is a brand new system out of the box with no S history behind it answer= get the warranty. Part 2 Expensive answer , could buy a lens instead. That is just a basic thought and it really is more involved than the first basic thought. Another issue is the backup and only a S2 can back it up. The Hassy, Contax, Hy6,Phase bodies are basically cheap compared to it and as most of us know it is extremely rare the actually back goes down. Bodies yes backs not really and the S2 being integrated complicates that decision a lot. You almost have to have that warranty in sense if your a working Pro. Obviously again this all depends on what you do and what gear you may already have and may not need a overnight camera. Very complicated and also very personal to your needs.
Seriously this is a thread all by itself because it is so involved to personal needs and also takes on the risk and reward issue . Very tough call
It's very understandable why one would want to make these comparisons right now. However, it's just too early - there is no good source of information right now on head-to-head comparisons.P40+ images are not f8 for sure they are as you like to call it (rich) with DOF so practically I'm not going to selectively pick and choose what part of the P40+ file I like better the P40+ files look straight forward good
but S2 examples look obviously better as it separates the details, most importantly hair even in the shadows evenly where most DBs just fail to deliver
Right now I have a lot of trust in Phase and more importantly my dealer which happens to be CI with Dave, Doug, Steve and Chris. First we are good friends but more importantly they take care of there customers and give you 110 percent support. Jack and I invite them to our workshops because of this type of support. We honestly want our attendees to have a great experience working with these folks for sales, support and service if that is what they chose to do and absolutely no pressure to buy or not which is very important to us, they are there to learn.exactly :thumbup:
label in terms of trust has a lot to do for me and I think so far Phase is at the top not sure is it due to their own efforts or their dealers efforts!
obviously Capture Integration would be my choice
if others think there are others of the same kind please respond
Absolutely totally agree. I have been saying this for months you can toot a good horn but until we see the real horsepower it is meaningless.It's very understandable why one would want to make these comparisons right now. However, it's just too early - there is no good source of information right now on head-to-head comparisons.
Until you have a raw file from each system (and it must be the production - ready to ship - S2) of a similar subject matter from a trusted non-leica-fan source there is just no meaning to the comparisons.
This specific case
- subject size is so different that trying to tell the resolved detail of something like hair between the two systems is without meaning
- the focal length of the lens of the Phase file is not listed nor is in the metadata
- both are processed files so different levels of sharpening, noise reduction and JPG compression are in play
- there is no reference to what software the Phase file was processed in; C1 handles Phase files best for micro-detail and detail in the shadows
- etc etc etc
Trust me. I REALLY want to start making these comparisons; but until there is 1) a shipping system with final firmware and 2) a drop on the embargo of raw files - it's an exercise in futility.
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its hard to stay without being bias unless you sell both or all products involvedIt's very understandable why one would want to make these comparisons right now. However, it's just too early - there is no good source of information right now on head-to-head comparisons.
Until you have a raw file from each system (and it must be the production - ready to ship - S2) of a similar subject matter from a trusted non-leica-fan source there is just no meaning to the comparisons.
subject to size is different but its all we got for now and anyways when I was comparing hair threads details I said I'm not going to be selective with P40+ obviously because of DOF but I have experienced muddy look in the shadows with hair regardless of DBs Leaf, Hassy or Phase used especially with brunettesThis specific case
- subject size is so different that trying to tell the resolved detail of something like hair between the two systems is without meaning
- the focal length of the lens of the Phase file is not listed nor is in the metadata
- both are processed files so different levels of sharpening, noise reduction and JPG compression are in play
- there is no reference to what software the Phase file was processed in; C1 handles Phase files best for micro-detail and detail in the shadows
- etc etc etc
I agree, hopefully we will have something in the near future :thumbs:Trust me. I REALLY want to start making these comparisons; but until there is 1) a shipping system with final firmware and 2) a drop on the embargo of raw files - it's an exercise in futility.
Hey ShelbyOops... Sorry to David for calling him Dale. I played trumpet for a living for about a decade and every time I see his last name "Farkas", I think of Phil Farkas, principal hornist for years and years with the chicago symphony... and then I don't pay attention to what I type
Sorry David!
Hey Shelby
I was a subscriber to the CSO for many years and my remembrance was that Adolf Herseth was the principal horn since the days of Fritz Reiner. I believe he retired in the early 90's. Is Phil Farkas his replacement or was he from a much earlier time?
Woody
Guy,Michael's and Davids shots are also with more contrasting lighting and mine and those others are using a little softer approach....
now it looks much better!I posted updated pictures on my blog.
Doug,It's very understandable why one would want to make these comparisons right now. However, it's just too early - there is no good source of information right now on head-to-head comparisons.
Until you have a raw file from each system (and it must be the production - ready to ship - S2) of a similar subject matter from a trusted non-leica-fan source there is just no meaning to the comparisons.
This specific case
- subject size is so different that trying to tell the resolved detail of something like hair between the two systems is without meaning
- the focal length of the lens of the Phase file is not listed nor is in the metadata
- both are processed files so different levels of sharpening, noise reduction and JPG compression are in play
- there is no reference to what software the Phase file was processed in; C1 handles Phase files best for micro-detail and detail in the shadows
- etc etc etc
Trust me. I REALLY want to start making these comparisons; but until there is 1) a shipping system with final firmware and 2) a drop on the embargo of raw files - it's an exercise in futility.
Doug Peterson (e-mail Me)
__________________
Head of Technical Services, Capture Integration
Phase One, Leaf, Canon, Apple, Profoto, Eizo & More
National: 877.217.9870 *| *Cell: 740.707.2183
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