I'm not sure why Michael would have written what he did, but my experience differed from his. Outside, the screen wasn't as bright as I would have liked, but it was okay in bright sun. To date, the most visible LCD in bright daylight is still the Leica DMR. Small, yes, but better than anything else in FL sun.
here was my source:
Well then Phase give us a GOOD histogram and not the one right now, which again compared to Canon, Nikon and even Sony is pretty bad.
@ David let me think. Oh the 1DsMk3 is now two years old. Amazingly Leica managed to produce a better LCD. (Phase look out) On the other hand they managed to produce something worse than a nearly one year old D3x LCD. Sorry but for 20k plus I except more.
I don't know about Hasselblad but Phase backs do not display the histogram of the actual RAW file (otherwise 1 stop underexposure would shift the histogram half way to the left on the histogram scale). But - this is my reading - they display a (default-) icc profile corrected RAW histogram (and/or maybe any other kind of default adjustment to the RAW file).
I.e.: if you set Capture One to the default input color space and the film curve "linear response" the histogram on the DBs LCD and in C1 match. So in practice it works like it should.
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I'm confused. If the S2 has a superior LCD to all medium format systems (many of which carry higher price tags) and is better than Canon's top-of-the-line 1Ds, how do you reach the conclusion that Leica somehow skimped on the technology? Yes, the D3x screen is slightly better, but Nikon also purchases in much higher volume. I'd say that given their relatively low volume, Leica has probably spec'd the best screen they could.
With regards to the Platinum Package with Sapphire glass, this is designed primarily for rental studios. The sapphire glass screen won't get scuffed, even if rented 100 times in a year. The camera will look "newer" and hold its rental value better. And the Platinum Package includes a free shutter replacement. So, after 2 years when the rental S2 has 200,000 exposures on it, the studio can send it in and get a brand new shutter, thus significantly extending the life of the camera. For most individual owners this package isn't necessary, but for the rental houses, it should give them a better ROI over the long term.
No Leica critique goes unanswered, and in real time: it has defenders in every time zone, so when Europeans are asleep, Americans are there, when Americans are asleep ...
Stephen, what is your angle? No answered Leica critique goes uncommented by you.
ADMIN NOTE: Let's keep it friendly guys...
Brand loyalism or fanboyism as seen from my own perspective offered FWIW: A consumer being in love with their choice of system and lauding it is one thing. A dealer that sells said product also has something to gain continually pushing their product as superior to a competitors is perhaps something else...
However, BOTH are likely going to be measured as "suspect" opinions by any educated consumer and as such are likely to incur pointed questions about actual performance and specifications with associated debate. But that debate can remain cordial... IMO brand loyalism is never going to go away and a main purpose these discussion forums can serve is to help consumers make appropriate purchasing decisions based on their needs by sifting though a collection of comments to make their ultimate decision.
As such, I feel it is equally beneficial to readers to have access to comments containing measures of both skepticism and loyalism together in the same discussion -- a cross-examination of stated facts if you prefer that terminology
"Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."
Very true, I didn't think about the lease & rental crowd. However, IMHO a camera body that costs what the S2 cost could offer the sapphire glass as a standard anyway. More in general, and this applies to all brands more or less, I really think that this widespread policy of selling a product for thousands of $ and then extorting a few bucks more for something that might (if not downright should) have come with the original product is not a really great one and doesn't help to ingratiate customers and make them happy. And, worst of all, is definitely bad & poor style-wise, it makes them look really small, Scrooge-y, sell-your-mama-for-a-buck like...With regards to the Platinum Package with Sapphire glass, this is designed primarily for rental studios. The sapphire glass screen won't get scuffed, even if rented 100 times in a year. The camera will look "newer" and hold its rental value better. And the Platinum Package includes a free shutter replacement. So, after 2 years when the rental S2 has 200,000 exposures on it, the studio can send it in and get a brand new shutter, thus significantly extending the life of the camera. For most individual owners this package isn't necessary, but for the rental houses, it should give them a better ROI over the long term.
Some historical examples, the firsts out of my head:
- Nikon selling the D series camera for 5.000 US and wanting 100 bucks more for Nikon Capture;
- Hasselblad selling the Flextight X5 for more than 10 K euro and including ridiculous single-frame adapters, forcing you to buy the 6x35 mm or the 3x120 mm adapter for a bit more than a hundred euros each;
- Phase not including C1 Pro with a 15 K euro order for a camera & a back;
- Leica & the sapphire glass, both on the M9 & the S2;
and I am sure there are more. Now that it comes to mind, we could start a thread about the way all the major companies do business when it comes to this...
This is off-topic, but actually the small versions of photos generated for the iPhone are not that great. I wrote an AppleScript some time ago to help me generate the thumbnails for my webpages (pre-Lightroom days), and at some point during Tiger, the image tool built into Mac OS X went significantly softer, and never seems to have recovered during Leopard or Snow Leopard. I don't know what the problem is, but since Lightroom handles this easily now I don't care so much any more.
I'm sitting here going - "What the hell is Lula?" I've never heard of it, so I google and I come up with what appears to be the Lula community:
Then after some thought, an epiphany appeared and I called off my search...
Looking forward to you getting your P30+. Dave from CI is shipping overnight to me a new P40+ for me to test out on my way up to the workshop. Starting to get a little head start on the group to get to know this back a little better and for Jack and I to run it through it's paces .
Starting to feel a big tug on my wallet here.
BTW, next time try to do a workshop in Vegas, would you? I'll take care of the girls for the shoots as well as the locations.
Remember, I correctly made a prediction about your changing gear in Carmel but I was trying to refain from being a smart a$$ this morning - all I needed was this little push!
am i the only one that won't have a phase back in oregon?
Your on bud.
I just smell trouble with that one.
I should point out this is really how you should buy although Ketch you were in a little hurry to get a back and you did fine by it. But normally not under a deadline is get to try these things out . When i first got into MF i had 3 backs on a workshop in Puerto Rico and I got to try them out and make a decision as to what fit me the best and so did the other attendees. In the end out of 7 people on that small workshop 4 of us bought Phase and there system. I think that says a lot about getting these things in your hands regardless of name brand and try them see what works and see what does not and even than for me choosing between the P25+ and P30+ i really racked my brain out on that decision so first I went with the P25+ and after a year i decided to switch to the P30+. Now it could be said i made a mistake in the beginning and maybe I did but I don't think I did i loved the P25+ back and it served me very very well but in the end I needed that extra stop of ISO. So than went to the P30+ which i have today and absolutely love but again along comes a P40+with some extra benefits which are very nice . This one has a faster shooting speed which is attracting me and what it really comes down to as a generalist that does many things I look for the most versatile back and someone that specializes in a area may not have to worry about speed and such.
So again what is good for me may not be as good for someone else. The good news in MF is any back you pick it is never a real mistake because they all simply produce amazing images. Some just go about it differently and obviously some brands may suite you better as a shooter than others.
I truly think there is a lesson learned here and that is try these things out if you can and get to know the systems for your benefit, end of day it is your money and your career and?or passion on the line.
Ketch not directed at you obviously we all knew you where in a hurry and in the end you made a very good decision and a lot of people around here know that system very well. Most of us are very happy with it but for other buyers with the time on there hands get a chance to try these out and make smart buy decisions. And from someone that has gone down that path that is my best advice.
He he, I know you mean well Guy, and I also know that what I did, is not as good as doing it with time and trying stuff out, but I'm known to rush i to things from time to time, fortunately my decisions have always served me well, and I think that this time will be no exception Or so I hope
Guy - Now that I think about it, I left Carmel with a bunch of your gear and some of Jack's in my bag! Guilty as charged.
Not surprised. LOL
well...I'll just have to show off my CFV39, the maverick of the bunch
Looking forward to it. Need to talk Woody into bringing his H39
all you modern gearheads will have to take a step back in time; manual focus, manual shutter and aperture via rings, a light meter and that cute blad body...plus some whammy glass