I just heard back from Jack, Guy, and Don.
It's official. Guy is about one-inch taller than me.
Congratulations on your new Phase P40+ Guy!
Hope to see you in Carmel!
That's great... but do you have the official outfits too. I think those are the colors of the Italian Flag (Maybe I'll get lucky and Guy will be too busy testing to see this post.)
"Guy is about one-inch taller than me."
He used to be taller, but he's x thousand dollars lighter now so he stands straighter. If he'd bought a P65+, he'd be even taller now.
It's official Don is taller than Jack. Heading home from Bisbee
David did you steal that outfit out of my closet. LOL
Yea trying to avoid the bad wind from the taller guys. LOL
I'm as excited as you even though I'm not getting the P40+ because I've just got news that my 645DF is here and can be delivered any time now. Whoopie...
Henry congrats . We just had a DF demo and I really liked the new body. Looking forward to getting mine and glad to hear someone is getting them.
Camera porn warning. Not for corporate surfing. LOL
Guy, we all appreciate your efforts! But please, would you at least pretend that you don't have fun using cameras I'm unable to afford? You make my M8 very sad...
LOL I know , yesterday Jack and I where driving south to Bisbee and the thought of having well over a hundred grand in gear was both funny and really scary at the same time. I need to get back to my normal life and just feel like a poor working Pro. LOL
so friends, where is the S2 review? looking forward...
Still working on it
Sorry Peter like fine wine we have to let it age. I would not take your name off a list though. It's a fine cam but it needs to age also. Seriously though we just finished shooting it yesterday and we are actually writing the review already just no one can see it except the mods. I shot it mostly and it does have a nice feel to it and the image quality is there but like anything else there are some niggles as well. Now i know buying a P40+ back in the middle of a review looks a little strange but It was something I was going to do anyway and had no bearing on the S2. I needed it this year and I can't jump in on only 2 lenses in the system, so something for me to look at next year and see what comes up. I will admit I did have a conversation with myself while testing the S2, It is a fine cam and IQ is very good.
Your P65 rocks the house bud. Jack had his here during the test and it is one sweet back. I'm just looking at the noise test with my P40+ and blown away at sensor plus. ISO 1600 is killer and even my 800 full Res is amazingly good.
Okay here is Sensor Plus on the P40 which is identical to the P65 only a smaller file of course. ISO 1600 with C1 defaults. Shot under tungsten with a little daylight coming in. Frankly this right here threw any Canon , Nikon idea's of purchase right out the window. I simply do NOT need a DSLR if I can do this. This completely solves my problems that i have had with MF and with the smaller files to boot which i want for extremely fast processing for event work.
1) the S2 is better at ISO 640 than the P40+ (P65+) is at ISO 800 full-frame;
2) the S2 at 1250 is worse than the P40+ (P65+) at ISO 800 full-frame;
3) the P40+ or P65+ binned at 800 is better than the S2 at 640 and maybe equal to the S2 at 320;
4) the P40+ or P65+ binned at 1600 is still a bit better than the S2 even at 640.
5) the P40+ or P65+ at 3200 binned and the S2 at 1250 are pretty comparable.
HOWEVER, I have not experimented with downsampling the S2 files yet to compare them to the binned Phase files, and that will undoubtedly level the playing field somewhat...
Not close . Binning is really good even my 800 binned is much better than my regular 800. I need to look at it more but I only looked in C1 . LR might be a different story. ISO 640 on the S2 looks okay but in LR it maybe even better . Issue is none of the programs are ready for the S2 so right now hard to guess how it will be with a better C1 profile and LR out of beta. I also need to process all this stuff out and than try also in LR. But we will have ALL the Raws for you on noise to check it out for sure.
Jack and I posted same time but both answers are about right. Okay off to a paying shoot with the P40 . But you will get the raws for sure and you can see what we mean. Both camera's in reality are nothing to sneeze at.
Curious whether using the binning feature results in a loss elsewhere, i.e. is there a tradeoff other than file size.
David besides the smaller file obviously I am not picking anything up visually to say it lost something in other area's . DR and tonal range appear to be the same which is the area I thought the loss would be. The neat factor here is you get all the nice look of MF in a smaller package but nice noise improvement in the high ISO's. Maybe Doug can give us some more details on Sensor Plus that may shed more light on it.
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Although I think pinning is an interesting solution to some MFD problems, I'm also interested to see how it compares to simply downsampling with an equiv. file of the same scene without pinning. Pinning seems a great option to have in a pinch but I guess I would never make use of the feature as my shooting is 99% between 100-200ISO, and occasionally at 400ISO. I'd rather have the full res file and spend the time massaging it to make use of the full pixel count if that makes any sense?
Looking forward to the full review. It seems reading between the lines above that you guys genuinely like the S2 but for a few faults and that reassures me the system could have a good future providing enough people get on board.
Well it has a lot of check marks to hit after the purchase as well and than all the backup stuff that goes along with it all. But yes generally speaking it looks fairly good so far. Real issue is the raw processors handling the files properly.
See http://forum.getdpi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12403, I think at ISO 800 I would still prefer the full sized P65 file compared to the binned one. As long as I print large. If I stay in the range where the binned resolution is enough it has some benefits. If you want any specififc larger crops just let me know.
For me I want the actually smaller size when I use the binning because usually in my case it is process 800 images for a show, so 3 or 4 seconds to process is huge in my case for time saving. BTW I'm like 9.5 x12.5 300 dpi with the the binning on the P40+ which is pretty good. But I agree having that ISO 800 at full res has some real power in it. Honestly I never go over 1600 anyway so this seems like it will work out great for me.
Yes that is the main point I tried to make and will do once I am back home and have access to a printer. Up until a certain point a ISO 800 binned file or DSLR file, will look a LOT better than a full res. P65 file, however once there is a certain print size reached the full res. P65 file will beat the other options.
Without being able to actual print I would say that size is around 20x30in.
Guy & Jack, first of all thank you for all the work you did & do for us all - I know it's tough to have about 100K of equipment to play with seriously, review work is a PITA so a big THANK YOU!
One question for you guys, did you have a D3 available around for some high ISO comparison between the Nikon & the P40/P65 in high ISO mode? That would be really interesting for me (and - together with the new DF body - seriously dangerous, too!) in that I might be able to drop my Nikon gear altogether and go for an all-MF solution. Any thoughts on how these might compare? Thank you in advance!
We did not use any DLSR's in the test of the S2 -- High ISO noise comparisons between DSLR's and MF cameras is its own subject. And when it's done, one will have to compare overall color rendition at the same time.