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Hartblei 45 Super-Rotator in Mamiya 645 mount: bad news
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kdphotography
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The Hartblei 45mm t/s Super Rotator was indeed made in several medium format camera specific mounts, with the Pentacon being able to use an adapter.
Very neat design. Mine is the Mamiya mount which I like, but I'll probably put it up for sale after the 2d Annual Pigs in a Blanket.... Gotta pay for other recent acquisitions!
ken
Very neat design. Mine is the Mamiya mount which I like, but I'll probably put it up for sale after the 2d Annual Pigs in a Blanket.... Gotta pay for other recent acquisitions!
ken
kdphotography
Well-known member
LOL---yes, Jack---you have first dibs! And yes, it is a true Hartblei 45mm T/S Super Rotator. I even have the original owner's manual!
You know, there probably is a lot of truth in Don's suggestion--- between the four of us (Jack, Guy, Don, Ken) we could have one helluva community photography equipment locker! :ROTFL:
Cool! And no kidding. I just need to get you, Guy and Don to move to Los Altos! :ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:
kdphotography
Well-known member
Carmel might be safer. Your wife would kick us all out in short order! :ROTFL:
Don Libby
Well-known member
Sorry guys even being actually born in CA (Hemet) I have no desire to return other than for a visit; I'd have to sell half of what I have in my big safe as they'd be against the law in CA. Just isn't going to happen. Besides, when's the last time you heard of an earth quake in AZ? Guy & I are in the right area you two need to move!
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Has anyone reviewed the "new" $2600 version yet?
tashley
Subscriber Member
It is my understanding, and I could be wrong, that the name hartblei and the right to the original super-rotator design, has been batted back and forth between different claimants and countries in the last few years. The Much touted and then never delivered Phase version was a rebadged hartblei and the version I had to try was terrible - I think that's why Phase cancelled the model, they couldn't get it made reliably. So I have no idea if the product advertised by the poster 'hartblei' above is from the same OEM as the Phase version but if it is I would insist on very careful testing of the particular lens I was expected to pay for before I paid for it!
I have a good older copy as I posted several months ago further up this thread: I have no idea where or when it was made but it has the full range of movements and it's pretty cool. There is a bit of a chance that for various reasons I might sell it in a month or two, in which case I will put it on the FS/WTB forum here.
I have a good older copy as I posted several months ago further up this thread: I have no idea where or when it was made but it has the full range of movements and it's pretty cool. There is a bit of a chance that for various reasons I might sell it in a month or two, in which case I will put it on the FS/WTB forum here.
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
I had the original in Pentacon 6 mount that I used with a Mamiya 645 AFD years ago. On film it was ok but not great but it always was a crap shoot as to how good the lens would be.
I was very tempted by the Zeiss optics versions that are available from the "other" Hartblei but that was for my D3x. If there had been medium format versions available I'd definitely have bought the set for MF digital use.
The whole Hartblei thing seems like a mess since there would appear to be one Hartblei selling the newer quality glass and MF digital body and then there's the Ukrainian outfit who seem to swap and change dealers & representatives on a random basis. Just be careful ...
I was very tempted by the Zeiss optics versions that are available from the "other" Hartblei but that was for my D3x. If there had been medium format versions available I'd definitely have bought the set for MF digital use.
The whole Hartblei thing seems like a mess since there would appear to be one Hartblei selling the newer quality glass and MF digital body and then there's the Ukrainian outfit who seem to swap and change dealers & representatives on a random basis. Just be careful ...
Does anyone know if the "Hartblei" who are now selling the Medium format 45 Super-Rotator with the rear mount for Pentax 645...is the one that incorporates Zeiss glass and I believe is reported to be of a new optical design (from what I can tell)? Has anyone tried out this latest version on their medium format cameras? I too am finding the situation a bit confusing. I did try out an older design years ago, but was disappointed with the performance of the sample I had on hand. Thanks for any info.
Dave (D&A)
GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
Stefan Steib has Hartblei.de who appear to be the ones with the Hartblei cam and Zeiss optics. Not sure about the other folks with the agricultural lenses (nothing wrong with lenses built to survive a nuclear blast btw - my super rotator was absolutely built like a tank and designed to last forever!!)
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Thanks Graham! I just took a brief look at their website but as others pointed out (I think)..their Zeiss optic Super-Rotator lenses aren't available for medium format.
Dave (D&A)
Reminds me of the old televison program called "What's My Line"...for those that remember! For those that don't...it's where three contestants all come forward with all claiming to be the "real" person being showcased. Only after some semi intensive questioning...it's then determined who the imposters are and who isn't.
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GrahamWelland
Subscriber & Workshop Member
:wtf: Nothing like a nice clear distribution channel and brand ownership eh? Welcome to the wild, err, east.
hartblei.de do seem to have some very nice gear, but alas that glass isn't MF.
Stefan Steib
Active member
Hello from Munich
Just to shed some light on this unfortunate mixup (I know - this is why we are rebranding the professional part "hartblei.de" to HCam, I hope we will have this done soon) you can already reach hartblei.de on hcam.de also.
hartblei.kiev.ua is the original website of Hartblei Kiev, run by my Ukrainian business partner Sergeji Naumenko and his son Vitalyi (privjet Vitalyi), they build the superrotators, they always have built it and they will build it. The 45mm TS is a very good lens no matter what some tell about it and can be bought exclusively new as some other lenses with russian glass on their website plus you can reach them on Ebay :
http://shop.ebay.de/tilt-shift/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 or here
http://stores.ebay.de/vk-no-store/C...45154519&_sid=816172859&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
Hartblei Kiev also builds the Zeiss versions, but these are sold exclusively through my website :
hartblei.de now to be hcam.de. We also build the HCam versions (in Italy) and now the HCam Mamiya RB/RZ-645 adapter (in Hamburg).
now hartblei.com is the former website of hartblei, but unfortunately hold hostage by a former business partner Mr. Pissarenko, hosted in Slowakia and not having any Hartblei products at all. What they try to sell is scam, old Kiev bodies, arsenal stuff and cheap adapters, stay away ! same applies to the so called Hartblei Macro-Tilt and Hartblei shift adapters: they are marketed by some people around ARAX and former Hartblei dealer Michael Fourman , now to be found on several addresses on ebay. Hartblei has stopped any business with them, but they use the name anyway, but unfortunately it gets even more complicated, there are some dealers on ebay who also try to sell the lenses, all this makes the situation a real mess.
Hcam will sell the Hartblei Zeiss versions, but the HCam site, brand and the company will be separate from this chaos, this needs to be made very clear.
I always write in my own name and as such show exactly who is behind our products. anybody can email me, call me, skype me or get in contact by linkedin or facebook. I think this is essential.
Hcam does German/EU standards guarantees, support and consulting for
large companies setups, pro photographers and museums and libraries.
I have also specialised in digitalisation of cultural heritage/books and paintings, I am also an Apple certified trainer for Aperture and working with most of the largest brands in the business.
Hope this helps
Stefan Steib - HCam.de
Just to shed some light on this unfortunate mixup (I know - this is why we are rebranding the professional part "hartblei.de" to HCam, I hope we will have this done soon) you can already reach hartblei.de on hcam.de also.
hartblei.kiev.ua is the original website of Hartblei Kiev, run by my Ukrainian business partner Sergeji Naumenko and his son Vitalyi (privjet Vitalyi), they build the superrotators, they always have built it and they will build it. The 45mm TS is a very good lens no matter what some tell about it and can be bought exclusively new as some other lenses with russian glass on their website plus you can reach them on Ebay :
http://shop.ebay.de/tilt-shift/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562 or here
http://stores.ebay.de/vk-no-store/C...45154519&_sid=816172859&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
Hartblei Kiev also builds the Zeiss versions, but these are sold exclusively through my website :
hartblei.de now to be hcam.de. We also build the HCam versions (in Italy) and now the HCam Mamiya RB/RZ-645 adapter (in Hamburg).
now hartblei.com is the former website of hartblei, but unfortunately hold hostage by a former business partner Mr. Pissarenko, hosted in Slowakia and not having any Hartblei products at all. What they try to sell is scam, old Kiev bodies, arsenal stuff and cheap adapters, stay away ! same applies to the so called Hartblei Macro-Tilt and Hartblei shift adapters: they are marketed by some people around ARAX and former Hartblei dealer Michael Fourman , now to be found on several addresses on ebay. Hartblei has stopped any business with them, but they use the name anyway, but unfortunately it gets even more complicated, there are some dealers on ebay who also try to sell the lenses, all this makes the situation a real mess.
Hcam will sell the Hartblei Zeiss versions, but the HCam site, brand and the company will be separate from this chaos, this needs to be made very clear.
I always write in my own name and as such show exactly who is behind our products. anybody can email me, call me, skype me or get in contact by linkedin or facebook. I think this is essential.
Hcam does German/EU standards guarantees, support and consulting for
large companies setups, pro photographers and museums and libraries.
I have also specialised in digitalisation of cultural heritage/books and paintings, I am also an Apple certified trainer for Aperture and working with most of the largest brands in the business.
Hope this helps
Stefan Steib - HCam.de
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