Hasselblad H4D 50MP vs. Phase one P45+

[felix5616]

I am not trying to campare apples to oranges or decide which is better, rather under what conditions or styles of shooting would the hasselblad and phase one P45+ be better suited. I am looking to buy one or the other, using a bank loan and want to choose wisely, based on which would better suit my needs(landscape mostly, few portraits, some macro and conversion to black and white images)

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Big price difference here to start. I would assume the P45+ is used and the H4D 50 is new. Technically they are different as well the P45+ is 6.8 micron the 50 6. This one is tough to compare we are in a situation where the P45+ is older tech , ISO 400 is not something to write home about but it can do a 1 hour exposure. Everything else on the P45+ like shoot speed is also slower but this is a awesome back. Now here is the issue and I'm a Phase shooter the 50maybe the better way to go but more money obviously use a newer 6 micron sensor better effective ISO speeds. Lets say ISO 400 is very good most likely faster to shoot and a new body that has some interesting tech but will cost you more. This really is a apple to coconut choice. One is going to be a lot cheaper to get used they other has no used option yet. Personally if it was between system than maybe a P40+ because nothing exactly matches the 50. The real comparison right now maybe the 2 40's from each OEM but in this case if your actually going to get a bank loan than I would go for the latest technology you can to hold its value as long as the bank loan is. So in essence if you need to sell than you can at least be selling the latest technology.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

I guess maybe in part we should ask why these two choices. Not that they are bad but the reasoning behind it so it maybe easier to evaluate the need and prices you are looking at. One might be you don't want a 1.3 crop sensor which some folks don't like which the 40's has.

 

[fotografz]

I agree. Apples and oranges. The H4D/50 is the latest tech, but the P45+ on a new Phase One camera is no slouch

A few questions:

Do you favor wide angle lenses. I mean like 24 or wider on a 35mm camera? If yes, than the 1.3X cropped frame 40MB options guy mentioned may not be the best choice.

Do you think you may want to use a tech field camera? If yes, then I'd select the Phase One P45+

I'm using a H4D/40 ... and can say the H4 camera is worth every penny. True Focus is terrific for off-center compositions even in the studio, and for shooting environmental portraits.

Is it possible that you could stretch to a P65+

Also, have you explored the possibility of a lease to own program? Saves all the interest payments and at the end you buy it for $1.

-Marc

 

[David K]

If you decide on the H4D/50 Marc's suggestion to explore the leasing option is a good one. Last time I looked there was also a trade-in promotion for that kit. If it's still available you might be able to save yourself some money by picking up a cheap qualifying used back and trading it in at a higher allowance.

 

[felix5616]

I do like wide angle, so the P40+ is out. i have been offered a great price in the Hassy H4D 50 with the hassy 28mm lens, a bit more money(not much)than a cambo wide/P45+ and 35mm lens.
thanks for the advice.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

How wide do you need to go. On a P40+ a 28mm is about a 21mm on a FF 35mm system

 

[Guy Mancuso]

I do like wide angle, so the P40+ is out. i have been offered a great price in the Hassy H4D 50 with the hassy 28mm lens, a bit more money(not much)than a cambo wide/P45+ and 35mm lens.
thanks for the advice.

But that is such a different breed of cam. Hard to compare like that, you can do a Cambo with any of the backs Hassy or Phase.

Simple case you can buy a P40+ kit or Hassy HD4 Kit for 22k or less. Than you can add a cambo to either kit with a 23mm or 24mm if need to get extremely wide.

 

[fotografz]

I do like wide angle, so the P40+ is out. i have been offered a great price in the Hassy H4D 50 with the hassy 28mm lens, a bit more money(not much)than a cambo wide/P45+ and 35mm lens.
thanks for the advice.

Grab it if you are getting such a good deal including that lens! You can always get a tech camera later and use the back on it.

After seeing the results from the new sensors, I'd like to add a 50 to my bag myself. Here we go again ... :ROTFL:

-Marc

 

[felix5616]

Can the 50MP hasselblad back form a H4D kit be used on a cambo wide or is it matched/designed only for the H4D body? what is the longest exposure possible on a hasselblad H4D 50MP back?

 

[Guy Mancuso]

The one niggle with Hassy backs is you need a external image bank which are 2k and it is something you have to connect to the back.I'm sure this is still the case with the 50 mpx

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/488774-REG/Hasselblad_70360904_100GB_Image_Bank_II.html



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[David Grover / Phase One]

Hi Guy,

You don't need the Image Bank if you want to work untethered.

A rechargeable FireWire battery device will do the job as well.

Look at hotwire-digital.com. About $135 from memory.

 

[Guy Mancuso]

Great David thanks for setting me straight. Was hoping you would join in on this one.