Doug, does this mean I could trade up from an Aptus 12 to an iq 180 for 8800 usd?
they should renew the policy so people who bought the back 1-4 months before will not feel cheated!!!
Well I just published my editorial and the press release and would appreciate some comments and support on my blog.
Phase One Announces IQ Series Digital Camera Backs - Echenique dot com http://bit.ly/fRCLgR
Now I have to figure out how to get to Atlanta on the cheap. Maybe I can sleep in my truck...
Some more info and videos:
Video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxrNq...layer_embedded
Video 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPG8_...layer_embedded
Definitely interested in the P40+ -> IQ140 cross grade pricing. Luckily I'm in the 90% protection window against a new back (bought mine new Oct 2010), although I did get a great deal which I guess is less useful against an upgrade at full retail alas. Does that protection only apply if moving to a higher MP back or to a new version? It's not 100% clear.
It certainly looks like the things I love about my Leaf + the good things I love about the P40+ have merged into the new backs!
Now I can't justify the upgrade but I sure as heck WANT it ...
I went out to buy a bag . Lol
But did not. Thought it would help. NOT
Well, I'm in the 20% discount bracket but I'm not willing to trade in my current back because I love the square format so that leaves me with 0% discount!
So my strategy for now is to sit tight and wait for Guy to trade either up or across for an IQ back, then wait until he gets a second itch to trade up again and list his first IQ back on the buy and sell and then maybe I'll have a chance. If history proves me correct, the wait should not be that long!!!
>and wait for Guy to trade either up or across for an IQ back
I would wait for Jack :-)
Honestly, I do like the improved tech, no question. HOWEVER >>> When I upgraded to the P65+ from the P45+, there was not a significant gain in IQ; I did it because of the smoother color and tonality. In my usage right now, the improved tech will gain me little -- I have very few lost frames due to technical, focus or exposure issues from my P65+/DF and current AF lens combos. And the cost of an upgrade to the IQ180 looks to be ~$15,000, which is simply out of my budget for this year just to gain some cool tech and an extra 20MP I don't have a need for. Now if it was only $4K for a lateral move to the IQ160, then probably. Otherwise it may be 2012 before I can afford or justify the cool tech.
I'm with Jack... I don't need or even want the extra pixels. The new screen would be very nice, the rest of it is of no import to me. If the DR had improved significantly, that would have had me checking my balances but as it is, the's no new technology here so I think I'll wait until there's is. A new body would be of much greater interest to me...
Okay in all honesty i have been up since 3 am and truth be told not ONE person whining about the tech on this damn thing. On paper it is just about dead perfect. Sure Wifi and 2 card slots would be great but all the whining about LCD size and quality just went flying out the door. Looking at the tutorials in different shooters hands it looks deadly good. The interface , battery, layout, connection cabling , LCD screen and layout is just extremely nice.
Now we are down to price and sure the lateral looks stupid right now until they come out with real lateral pricing. For us folks we are buying the tech and new warranties, lets see a realistic price on that and watch out we all are going to do something. I'm willing to pay for the tech no question but I think we all can agree it has to be realistic as well. At least for me it does.
I am really looking forward to shooting this week with it and I know Jack is as well but we have to keep it in perspective. I love my P40+ and to move me this thing is going to have to shake me really hard. This is not a NEED this is a WANT. I have no issues with my current back as far as need it fills it perfectly and for us upgrading it will be more a WANT than need. Thats a harder sell.
The new technology does seem very positive for Tech Camera users though -- almost eliminates the need for GG or laser RF gadgets.
Agree Jack . Tech users should be lining up out the door for this. No question in my mind it completely solves focus issues and seeing tilt and shift movements. Just keep making the adjustments and your in. With the one touch zoom feature and high res. display not to mention focus mask . How the heck can you miss.
The tech improvements are awesome. Wish it had a revolving sensor,tho.
I am now abandoning all hope a slipping down the slippery slope. As Guy/Jack point out for me it:
1)eliminates the need for a viewfinder
2)eliminates the desire for a sliding back
3)eliminates any thought of getting the Arca e-module
And Terry, all those "eliminations" just about pay for the upgrade!
>you will all convince me to go to the IQ160
Why stop there :-)
Poor Terry... she doesn't have a chance
Afraid not too many enablers around here.
I only have one thing to add regarding the whole upgrade cost versus benefit analysis dilemma:
Phase One chose Dubai to launch it officially, i was there to touch this new DB, it is great from first impression, but we couldn't have it to test it in real, so good luck you people to test it, i will see your reviews about it.
Well.. Bugger.. Me.. Ok. got to pay off for the flat first, and then i will ponder on this again Either that or pick up some incredibly well paid gig so i can justify... things... (or semi-justify)
This year has started off great compared to last year - now if I can only keep it going for a while longer. I like the idea of hell just about everything I read about both the 60 and 80 and figure the cost difference between the two is something like $4k.
Not too sure if either would eliminate a viewfinder however it would be nice to have a focus mask.
Speaking of masks - Guy can I borrow yours after you done with it?
Sure no problem. It's a community special item
with a single lens kit maybe. But if you exchange lenses the sensor is still unprotected. So you have an unprotectet sensor on the tripod and two unprotected $3-5K lenses (each) in your hands.2)eliminates the desire for a sliding back
Am I correct in assuming a ZD back won't qualify for a 22% discount?
Well for me it certainly would. I have my iPhone for rough framing and can imagine that live view works great for fine tuning the framing. I also think the sensor isn't really unprotected, or at least not very long on a Arca. I would say around 2-3 seconds until I switch a lens. In addition, I don't know about the Arca sliding back adapter, but the linhof was never 100% sealed against dust, so in a a very dusty envirmont I am not so sure if the sliding back option is moren protective.
Might never know.
I really don't like the whole % upgrade thing from Phase, it would have been so much better to get some normal numbers. Just curios, but what will give me a P45 or P45+? Both 45% off like the Hassi 39 which gets 39% or is it different because the P45 is to old?
And any news on cross upgrades? P40 to iq140 and 60 to 160?
I think it depends on what you shoot...
I often need to see the precise center point of the image (of the camera respectively)... so neither an iPhone nor a viewfinder would work for me. For composition only a groundglass with grid works for me... (or any kind of "through the lens" viewing...)
Thomas the Phase backs still have the grid in them even though it is after the fact I believe. I look at a tech cam with this kind of back like this. It's a Polaroid until I get exactly what i want. We shoot tethered that way get everything lined up with lighting framing and such. I see this as a easier way for the tech cam user by far. You almost guarantee your image is on the money. Can all tech cam users walk away from a scene and say I nailed it. You may but the question still remains like film and waiting till you get to the lab. To me with the focus mask, zoom feature and nice high res display it would be a lot easier pill to swallow when you walk away and say you nailed it. Horses for courses as always. But the extra added features in my mind makes this back for a tech cam a much better solution than sliding backs , viewfinders and all the appendages we have hanging off these things. Plus a lot less load and junk to carry around. Sliding backs are nice but lets be honest not fun to haul around everywhere.
The semi-live view may eliminate the need for the "slide" part of a Rotaslide on a tech camera.
It looks like the "rota" part will still be desirable, though. It would be preferable to removing the back, or flipping the camera on its side.
Yea agree would be nice to rotate the sensor. My guess and just a guess is there is no room left to rotate it. Question I will ask this week