if you buy that back with the bigger sensor, this makes your lenses wider (as you said) fov. Now if you wanted the same with the "old" back (you own now) you would have either to buy several new lenses, or an additional tech camera with several lenses.
So you save a lot of money if you buy just the new back.
So-if you buy the P65+back instead of the tech camera and all the lenses or wider lenses - then you save a lot of money.
The question is-for what you spend the money you save?
Leica M9 + 35/1.4
or a new motorcycle
or an S2 and a 70mm
of course you should share the luck with your family and buy a new I-Phone for your kids and a purse for your wife
I am not sure I know what to replace it with but my hunch is that the next generation of 1ds will, with a TS lens, finally cover all my bases other than the gorgeous DR and colour rendition of the Phase gear.
Grrrr: it's ME I'm annoyed with, not Phase!
I don't want to hijack the thread, but then again maybe sharing different people's situations is going to help us all, so here it comes...
As many here, I do shoot quite a bit of different stuff, but mostly it could be summed up as:
- Street/PJ style
- Studio/Portraits/Promo stuff
To do so, I am currently owning and maintaining way too much gear, I use:
- Linhof Techno, 28, 47, 90, 180;
- Nikon D3, 16 fisheye, 17-35, 35 f1.4, 50 f1.2, 85 f1.4, 70-200, 17-TC;
- Leica M9 & M6, 21, 35 lux, 50 nocti, 90 f2.8, 135 f4;
- Phase One DF, 28, 55, 80, 150
plus a GF1 with 7-14, 14 f2.5, 20 f1.7, 45-200 & leica M adapter as a backup and/or "muggable" camera for those areas where the M9 is not the best options
- I do enjoy working with the tech camera both as pace and as results; of course I would like to have the same IQ in a smaller, lighter and faster package but I am aware it's just not possible yet.
- The D3 is great for concert/stage.low light stuff, and I enjoy working with it too, no problem there as well.
- I do love working with a RF, no problem there.
- As you, I also really do not like the Phase body/V-Grip at all, way too clunky & slow for what I'd like it to be, even in the studio; for that, a D3x-like solution would be way faster and IQ would be probably more than adequate...
So, what do I do, or what do I wish, at least?
I'd definitely like to pair all the gear down some; I would not give up the Techno & the Leica, but am seriously thinking to either sell all the Phase gear less the back (upgrading it to the IQ 180 in the process) and get a D3x for the studio/portrait work that comes in, or wait for the next generation of Phase bodies and see if I can get rid of the D3 for concert work (but I would lose a lot of flexibility, the zooms, the speed, the fisheye, the reach) - as well, I am seriously thinking of pairing down the m4/3 stuff either just getting rid of the zooms or replacing it all with a compact camera (G-series Canon, S90/S95 or something like that)...
What would you and everyone else here do or suggest? Thanks again for sharing, it's great to hear from you and everyone
In MFD, we just got the IQ back and they are amazing but I just get the feeling there just not there yet functionality wise. The image quality is superb but they are no easier to use. MFD really needs a proper (not CCD and ND filters) live view, video function and GPS location logging, paired with a much better camera than the DF. I personally think using a IQ back on a DF is no better than using a 1Ds/D3X and it would seem many professionals agree. Where the MFD backs come into their own is that they are not limited to just the DF and using on tech/view cameras set them free where as your stuck with what you buy in 35mm DSLR land.
So it seems that were destined to muddle on as we are doing with multiple systems until someone delivers on our (my :sleep006 dream.
Well have to say the IQ back is there in MF and just no question about it. Sure a new body is a need and agree but after a full day with it and some hard shooting and stressing out the back last night as much as we could. The damn sings and battery life was just short of really strange as it went way further than expected. I mean WAY longerand they controls on screen are so accurate and more important functional to a shooter it is just a flat out awesome experience to shoot. We shot sensor plus, long exposures, model and extreme low light stuff that may just surprise us how well it did .
Lots of images to download and get going on results but it's a IQ all the way. Just to damn nice not to have that's features and the LCD itself. There was not one moment I could not see it or get confirmation from it on what I just shot. No one can say that with a P back , Hassy or anything else for that matter it is just that hood to work with. No question the IQ 140 is what I want and the money is worth it and really not to bad even my wife blessed it. Not sure I could pull off a 160 but I am going to see how deliver dates are and where I am at. Plus I can keep my Sonys in the process. Do not cancel any orders until you see and read Jacks and my reviews . All coming in the next hours and days.
BTW this is a great thread with some great discussions . This is about all our decisions and thoughts not just about me and mine. I know these thoughts are on all our minds
I know I know but the proof is coming . Lol
Also good news I heard the first customer deliveries are here.
Sorry iPhone challenged this morning on spelling need way more espresso too. Lol
Recently Phase announced added features/capabilities for the IQ180. But what wasn't made totally clear was if these features would/could be extended to the IQ140 and IQ160 backs. The sensors are from the P40+ and P65+ respectively, but hardware is all new. Any word on the new features being extended to the IQ140/IQ160---or is that still exclusively IQ180 territory?
I know that purchasing any MFDB is a big business decision for anyone, but there is also that subjective balance with personal enjoyment in photography itself to consider. I have absolutely no need for more resolution, but the new technology means much easier workflow and enjoyment.
The IQ160 has your name on it, Guy, just like we all knew the P40+ was perfect for you months before you pulled the trigger!
I would recommend saving the LCC shot though. A modern LCC-frame works a lot better than the old ones and we just might add new features to the format (light falloff is one example, improved support for ultra wides is another).
Esben H-R Myosotis
Check this out Sensor Plus ISO 1600 at 4.5 heavily backlit with fill reflector that was barely working this is with a 210mm that I just bought from Dave it seems now. I bought his demo since this lens is really nice. I don't take chances if a lens I test is good than it's mine. LOL
This is pretty much at default I did work on exposure but not noise and will get into this more. But Dave, Doug and I did everything we could do to make this fail and everything looks like it held up to our cruelty . Makes no sense to make pretty pictures under ideal conditions when your testing. I always try to make these things fail because you just never know what soup you are in. Now Doug and I will be doing a lot of post both here and on Capture Integration site on his review as well . But I know i can make this file even better but that is not what I want to show right now. I want more or less whats coming off the sensor. This is damn good given it is heavily backlit.
Notice no blooming no CA nothing bad. Lots more to come, BTW this is a F4 lens that is NOT highly rated either by many. Every lens I shot with the 180 so far has actually held up. Surprises me
Folks just do not understand how good Sensor Plus really is. It is a awesome feature that gets put down as a gimmick. Well guess what i could not pull this shot off without it.
Poor girl, she look well and truly fed up standing under that water feature while you play with your new toy!
Photo comment competition entry.....??
BTW Dave asked me to tell you folks he has 20 of these 210mm on his shelf that are just taking up space so if your looking give CI a call.
After what I've seen these past couple days/nights I'm a believer!
Shooting the 180 side by side w/my 45+ helped,
Seeing how good the lcd looks, how easy the contols are helped
Then seeing the images just pushed it out of the park.
The file sizes are almost double from my P45+ thankfuly I've got the commputer to handle them.
I'd say that anyone who has one on order is very very lucky!
fun reading; some choice quotes, totally out of context:
even my wife blessed it
It's the usual constant struggle to find kit that does everything and weighs nothing!
it stinks of legacy
In theory anything will have an effect
So you save a lot of money if you buy just the new back.
Plus I am rethinking all my equipment setup,
Blown away. Don is Blown away.
iPhone sorry for mispells
That's it: I'm not getting one!
Guy, if money's a bit tight...
and that is the other brain fart going on in my head.
you never know what will be next..
Guy, deja vu for you here...
like comparing your iPhone to a 12-button land-line desk phone!
a type of group psychosis in here regarding gear.."
I need to make responsible business decisions or at least I am supposed to.
Okay a 80 mpx shot . Not sure i totally nailed focus but it is damn close. Shot with the 110mm LS at F5.6 which is fairly wide open ISO 100 at 1/160.
Only White Balance here . Let it go on DR and look how well it handled the bright sun in background with just some reflector light and the shadows are wide open. This thing has some serious DR going on.
100 percent crop.
Going in and recalibrating my monitor make sure the colors are correct here.
Lot of gold color floating around under these fake rocks.
Noise reduction and i maybe able to get better Luminance 30 color 55 single pixel 2 surface 27
Remember this is Sensor Plus binned down to 20 mpx
No not in sensor plus feels pretty good on speed, go as fast as the DF goes. The Df is very good with AF in low light. The 150 D 2.8 would be a excellent lens and don't forget the 300 4.5 which is very very good wide open. I'm actually surprised by the 210 F4 wide open. Reason I am keeping Daves demo unit is I got a nice shot wide open with it. I need to test it more but for 500/600 bucks I'm impressed. Honestly if i push myself to the 160 the sony's are toast. 15 mpx sensor plus would be perfect for me and the 180 with 20mpx looks to be a bonus.
In all honesty the IQ 180 is amazing but maybe too much for me with my work and setup. But it is the better deal for the P65+ users to upgrade and frankly they should go straight for it. Silly not too. I'm just trying to get to the 160 which i maybe able to pull off with a miracle. LOL
It is really what I want and completely solves my issues. I may have to wait a bit but that is okay. One time for me to be smart and wait it out. Can't believe the gear slut just said that. Need more espresso
One thing we did find last night in the menus was a eyepicker tool on the back so you can custom WB on the fly, just move around to pick your area to WB off of. Now that was a find to say the least. Not sure that was posted anywhere and one other REALLY cool feature Doug picked up on. While shooting a long exposure during the dark frame you can actually go in and preview the image at 100 percent. So basically you have a 1 minute shot you do not have to wait 2 minutes to view it just after the initial exposure and you can see what you did. This is very nice feature as you can already plan any adjustments you may need for the next shot.
Yes Chris i think personally that the purchase of Leaf by Phase was a very smart technology partnership for Phase and as you can see some of the merging of technology between them. There are a bunch of other things i simply did not get a chance to get into but hopefully Jack and Doug on their reviews will bring some more features and functions out for us to know about.
Well, I just left Jack's office. I am very happy. Happy because my order is pretty high up on the list and I will get my hands on the back pretty soon. The focus mask is fantastic for me as a tech camera shooter. I have a feeling once you trust the focus mask you won't need to go up to 100% view all of the time. Add in some tilt to the equation and it will be easy to dial in just the right amount.
Denmark.....keep that factory running full tilt!
Last edited by Terry; 13th May 2011 at 10:11.
Here's a couple more random rambling thoughts of the IQ180...
I had never really appreciated the crop of the P45+ until I opened two side-by-side images taken with the P45+ and IQ180; while there isn't a huge amount of different it is notable.
I liked the thought that as soon as I took the image the focus mask was right there telling me what I had done. This is a huge plus for a tech camera, I had actually found I needed to do a very slight re-focus from the previous image taken with the P45+. The first image from the IQ was "close" the second image nailed it - thanks to the mask.
The LCD size is a huge factor in working this back. (You'll notice that I use the word "huge" often). The screen appears to take up the entire rear of the back yet there's still room for the 4-offset buttons (which are slightly smaller). Anyone familiar with an iPad knows how easy it is to take your finger and swipe through images - it's the same as with the IQ180. While I certainly didn't get to use it hold it enough to offer better feedback - I am left with the impression that one could navigate most of the functions without the need of a button, however please don't take that to the bank.
Doug & Guy were shooting long exposures off a balcony last night at 2 minutes and I've got to admit how impressed I am in reviewing those images directly of the back.
I'm left with the overall impression that this is the wave of the future in digital backs.
I'm also now attempting to figure out just how the heck I'm going to get one.
Don and I spent a good day and half together with this thing and the oh' and ah's where pretty loud. Obviously to see him I had to look way up to the 6'10' structure in front of me. But the message was clear how the heck are we going to get one.
Really looking forward to folks getting theres so i don't feel like the only kid around here.